Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Tinman]

No. It wouldn't even work in a movie. "Muuuaahhahahah I've got you now robo-basso! Stare into the power meter! Stare into the power meter!!!!!"

Well I'm no power meter guy myself. But I can tell you when my heart rate monitor or my speedo drops out I do get confused. One gets so used to riding on numbers that one loses the general "ride by feel" ability.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I think you don't really understand the enormous complexity and effort of making the first electronic device, be it this fictional miniature(!) near field communication device or tablet.

It wouldn't even work in a movie. "Muuuaahhahahah I've got you now robo-basso! Stare into the power meter! Stare into the power meter and be confused!!! The GC leadership is mine!! "

The "not legit" comment was more about the whole fatally flawed concept. If you really want to go down this road, send me a PM with questions and comments. I was in that industry at one time.

Would something like this work?
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/152

Well I'm no power meter guy myself. But I can tell you when my heart rate monitor or my speedo drops out I do get confused. One gets so used to riding on numbers that one loses the general "ride by feel" ability.

If you used the jammer sporadically, it would be highly effective, IMO. Particularly with anyone who trains and does any racing with a power meter. I feel naked without my power + cadence data coming in.

I'd like to see them use it up every climb and let the riders do what they can to their limit and then crunch the numbers. Just a few times, on some crucial MTF or similar stages.

 

[Tinman]

I think you don't really understand the enormous complexity and effort of making the first electronic device, be it this fictional miniature(!) near field communication device or tablet.

OK got it, thanks for clarifying.

I do get some routine instances where my basic wireless speedo data drops out as I am cycling in particular areas. Not sure if these are overhead wires or some telco tower nearby but something is going on in those locations. Similar effect presumably, at the end of the day it's presumably just a matter of creating a stronger (scrambled) signal at that particular wavelength that interferes with the original signal? ("Says the ignoramus in the field", who by the way just googled this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_signal_jammer).

 

[AussieGoddess]

I have a crush on you JR.

Not only Sky that cheats around here then

 

[dolophonic]

did you google the images? they would look a little conspicious in the jersey pocket

 

[IndianCyclist]

Appears your BS has infinite range.

Any other conspiracy theories to entertain us?

Like Nibali causing the weather for Wiggins to get sick?

Lol!

Flashback to Trentino. With the inability of Nibali to drop Wiggins there, a hasty yet sinister plan was hatched with the key members being Vino, Nibali & Martinelli. A member of the Astana Black ops team lead by the infamous Vino managed to get a hair sample of Wiggins under the guise of being a Sky fan. Using the services of a vile witch doctor(Guess who?), a voodoo doll of Wiggins and his machine was constructed in a secret ceremony at midnight with the sacrifice of a living animal. Cue last stage, Wiggins suffers mysterious mechanical problem.
Fast forward to Giro, Wiggins loses time in the downhill as Martinelli sticks a pin into the heart of the voodoo doll. In the ITT, a pin stuck in the voodoo doll of his cycle causes a untimely puncture resulting in him losing the stage. More incidences follow resulting in the abandon of Wiggins from the Giro. Cycling is full of horror stories people just don't realize it yet.

 

[icefire]

Not legit.

It would be the most complicated, most difficult effort to theoretically disrupt a grand tour podium contender off his game.

Bribing Hein is so much less work, less money, for real returns.

It's not as difficult as you might think. Riders have complained during this Giro that motos disrupt the operation of their SRMs when they get very close to the peloton. Don't know if it is the motocameras with their transmitters or is just the electrical noise from by their engines' sparks.

 

[mikehammer67]

david walsh is warbling on about marco pantanis monument now

David Walsh @DavidWalshST 41m
Please don't ask what I think of erecting a monument to the late Marco Pantani.

what's his 10 questions for team sky i wonder or maybe he's not bothering
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...r-oprah-winfrey-to-ask-lance-armstrong_271135

i must tweet him and ask but he'll prob block me

 

[The Hitch]

david walsh is warbling on about marco pantanis monument now

David Walsh @DavidWalshST 41m
Please don't ask what I think of erecting a monument to the late Marco Pantani.

what's his 10 questions for team sky i wonder or maybe he's not bothering
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...r-oprah-winfrey-to-ask-lance-armstrong_271135

i must tweet him and ask but he'll prob block me

If you are on your way out, you could first ask if Walsh know wiggins referred to Pantani as "The Great Marco Pantani" at the start of the giro?

He wouldnt block you for that i dont think.

 

[mikehammer67]

i think hes turning into Lord Haw-Haw

 

[goggalor]

David Walsh @DavidWalshST 41m
Please don't ask what I think of erecting a monument to the late Marco Pantani.

Funny how he does tell everyone what he thinks a few minutes later, despite no one asking.

 

[Benotti69]

Funny how he does tell everyone what he thinks a few minutes later, despite no one asking.

It kind of reinforces his mindset about how he views Sky.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Funny how he does tell everyone what he thinks a few minutes later, despite no one asking.

Imagine that eh? Someone posting an opinion or a view on their Twitter account. Next people will be doing that on forums... j/k.

 

[zalacain]

Don't ask me how I feel about it. But Geraint Thomas is back from Tenerife. Watching a football match

 

[mikehammer67]

Don't ask me how I feel about it. But Geraint Thomas is back from Tenerife. Watching a football match

I have really been trying to focus on losing a bit of weight and that is coming down nicely.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/22574303

 

[zalacain]

"I have really been trying to focus on losing a bit of weight and that is coming down nicely. ... but things are going well and I feel like I am getting stronger all the time."
Losing weight and getting stronger in a short time span. Now how does that happen?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

"I have really been trying to focus on losing a bit of weight and that is coming down nicely. ... but things are going well and I feel like I am getting stronger all the time."
Losing weight and getting stronger in a short time span. Now how does that happen?

You know he's a track rider, right?

Where Wiggo was doing 580W to win his pursuit World championships and Olympic gold medals, Geraint Thomas, at 5-7 kg lighter does 5 x 5' @ 580W in a training session.

Now that G is concentrating on the road, it makes complete sense that he would lose weight as he loses all that upper body track muscle, and changes his training to focus on long efforts like you get in road racing.

Wait, this sounds familiar.

 

[DirtyWorks]

It's not as difficult as you might think. Riders have complained during this Giro that motos disrupt the operation of their SRMs when they get very close to the peloton. Don't know if it is the motocameras with their transmitters or is just the electrical noise from by their engines' sparks.

Really? We're going down this road?

A team is going to blow a hundred thousand plus euro and months of development on one fictional, miniature(!) device when
1. The nearby camera moto is very likely doing it for them.
2. The athlete doesn't abandon claiming "my power meter didn't work right."

I've got some crackpot theories. This will never be one of them.

 

[DirtyWorks]

it's presumably just a matter of creating a stronger (scrambled) signal at that particular wavelength that interferes with the original signal?

The original ridiculous claim now buried is that the metrics would be somehow lowered, but still fed to the master unit.

And your scrambler would need to be really close by. Remember, it's near field communication. Or, maybe James Bond's Q will custom make a tiny radio to operate from a team car that talks near field protocols for only a 1000 Euro in one week.....

Give this one up.

 

[Ripper]

OK folks, 'nuff trolling about the potential of special tactics used to interfere with power meters. If the power meters aren't working, it's the users, not the meters ... don't blame the equipment (same goes with Wiggo's problems with gear shifting)

Seems to me that either the Sky Special Pass (SSP) has been revoked, or the whole peloton has caught on to the "science of Sky". Of course, it could all be a wind up to decimate le Tour, but I am not so sure.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I read this and think, "Well, duh!"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uran-confident-about-the-final-week-of-the-giro-ditalia
Team Sky riders still smiling despite the cold conditions of the Alps

Uran gets to ride for himself, rather than as a domestique. Is there any better way than that to increase your market value? Any at all?

Look at Brad in 2009, with CVV listed as team leader.

I bet Uran loves chest infections right about now.

 

[Trudgin]

Flashback to Trentino. With the inability of Nibali to drop Wiggins there, a hasty yet sinister plan was hatched with the key members being Vino, Nibali & Martinelli. A member of the Astana Black ops team lead by the infamous Vino managed to get a hair sample of Wiggins under the guise of being a Sky fan. Using the services of a vile witch doctor(Guess who?), a voodoo doll of Wiggins and his machine was constructed in a secret ceremony at midnight with the sacrifice of a living animal. Cue last stage, Wiggins suffers mysterious mechanical problem.
Fast forward to Giro, Wiggins loses time in the downhill as Martinelli sticks a pin into the heart of the voodoo doll. In the ITT, a pin stuck in the voodoo doll of his cycle causes a untimely puncture resulting in him losing the stage. More incidences follow resulting in the abandon of Wiggins from the Giro. Cycling is full of horror stories people just don't realize it yet.

That is a conspiracy theory worthy of a Glasgow Celtic fan..... I'm impressed (apologies from bringing a football reference into it) and will use it myself if the R#ngers ever get back to the premier league

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[Zam_Olyas]

That is a conspiracy theory worthy of a Glasgow Celtic fan..... I'm impressed (apologies from bringing a football reference into it) and will use it myself if the R#ngers ever get back to the premier league

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How did the pars do at the just concluded season?

 

[Trudgin]

How did the pars do at the just concluded season?

1 Partick Thistle
2 Morton
3 Falkirk
4 Livingston
5 Hamilton
6 Raith Rovers
7 Dumbarton
8 Cowdenbeath
9 Dunfermline
10 Airdrie Utd

Not well unfortunately relegation looms!

 

[zalacain]

That is a conspiracy theory worthy of a Glasgow Celtic fan..... I'm impressed (apologies from bringing a football reference into it) and will use it myself if the R#ngers ever get back to the premier league

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Get their shirts sponsored by Euskaltel?