Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[bobbins]

Are you really telling me that Kurt Asle Arvesen and Servais Knaven haven't been clean for their entire career!?!

I only really know of one DS and he must have a poor memory if he did sign the magic letter

 

[timmers]

I only really know of one DS and he must have a poor memory if he did sign the magic letter

Well Bobbins you are the first to come forward with proper evidence of Team Sky doping!

But maybe I am mistaken and you are only alleging something anonymously on the internet and are not prepared to back up what you have said.

If I am not mistaken the good news is you can still call UK Anti Doping 0800 32 23 32 to get it sorted. I see you may be in Spain in which case it may be a toll call.

Let us know how it goes.

Cheers

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Well Bobbins you are the first to come forward with proper evidence of Team Sky doping!

Uhhhh no. He simply believes one of the DS's doped during his career, despite signing the magical letter. Nothing to do with evidence of Team Sky doping.

You're welcome.

 

[timmers]

Uhhhh no. He simply believes one of the DS's doped during his career, despite signing the magical letter. Nothing to do with evidence of Team Sky doping.

You're welcome.

Well Wiggo I wasn't talking to you and lets wait for Bobbins to reply before we put words into his mouth.

But given your history this is unlikely.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Well Wiggo I wasn't talking to you and lets wait for Bobbins to reply before we put words into his mouth.

But given your history this is unlikely.

Trust me, it's plain English comprehension. Noone's putting anything in anyone's mouth.

Nice try with the personal attack, though.

 

[Ferminal]

Agreed, and I appreciate bobbins' thoughts regardless of how unfounded they are or are not.

 

[wirral]

Bradley Wiggins has gone with a beard. I always get the feeling with Wiggins that everything he says or does is intended to mock the observer.

 

[BroDeal]

Bradley Wiggins has gone with a beard. I always get the feeling with Wiggins that everything he says or does is intended to mock the observer.

If I had a weak chin like Wigans then I would have beard too.

 

[ebandit]

wiggo

If I had a weak chin like Wigans then I would have beard too.

if I had wiggo's heart lungs and legs I might have got to win the tour.........

but there again I too am a bone idle wunker

is it correct that dario cioni was cleared of any wrong doing.........or have I

missed something?

Mark L

 

[bobbins]

Uhhhh no. He simply believes one of the DS's doped during his career, despite signing the magical letter. Nothing to do with evidence of Team Sky doping.

You're welcome.

I'm pretty sure but if you think any call to UK anti doping is worthwhile then you are mistaken. I just like observing the hypocrisy of Brailsfraud.

 

[Benotti69]

if I had wiggo's heart lungs and legs I might have got to win the tour.........

but there again I too am a bone idle wunker

is it correct that dario cioni was cleared of any wrong doing.........or have I

missed something?

Mark L

Check who Cioni rode for in his career. Some major teams with major dopers.

 

[the sceptic]

Most strange how his naturally high hematocrit went away after 2004.

 

[roundabout]

Most interesting is how he scored about 30% of his total career CQ points within 2 months in 2004

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=40

 

[BroDeal]

if I had wiggo's heart lungs and legs I might have got to win the tour.........

Only if you were willing to ride ten years on the road without distinction then juice yourself to the eyeballs.

 

[Ferminal]

Can't have it both ways, that Cioni was a doper and that doping didn't stop after 2004, or something like that.

 

[roundabout]

Well, while he didn't go Pecharroman on us, I did expect him him to have better results after 2004.

But probably because people forgot to dope in May-June 2004.

leader USA HAMILTON Tyler PHO 15h19'15" 10
1. SUI JEKER Fabian SDV 3h40'54" 35
2. ITA CIONI Dario David FAS 25
3. SLO VALJAVEC Tadej PHO 15
4. USA HAMILTON Tyler PHO 10
5. ITA PIEPOLI Leonardo SDV 03" 5
6. SUI MOOS Alexandre PHO 01'18" 3

Greatest clean performance? Greatest clean performance.

 

[Ferminal]

Yes lovely clean work by Mr Jeker. Never tested positive?

 

[the sceptic]

maybe he had to tune back his program after the 50+ positive?

 

[roundabout]

Yes lovely clean work by Mr Jeker. Never tested positive?

Yeah. An example to all. A decade of being surrounded by doping and not being tempted once.

 

[ebandit]

movin' on along

Check who Cioni rode for in his career. Some major teams with major dopers.

was that.............move along............nothing to see

or do you know more?

please enlighten an ignoranious like myself

thanks!
Mark L

 

[MartinGT]

Nothing will stick now

http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/muc-off-announces-partnership-with-team-sky-39486/

 

[thehog]

Nothing will stick now

http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/muc-off-announces-partnership-with-team-sky-39486/

Indeed.

Team Sky’s Head of Technical Operations, Carsten Jeppesen, said: “This is an exciting new collaboration for Team Sky and we’re looking forward to working with Muc-Off. In our minds they produce the very best cleaning...

....

 

[DirtyWorks]

ASO Event in Yorkshire

The ASO event in Yorkshire apparently still in motion:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...g-race-legacy-british-tour-de-france-success?

Not that ASO hasn't already benefited from Sky winning a couple of TdF's.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I did like this exchange from the Cycling news interview with Tinkov

CN: So for you, it's zero-tolerance from now on, going forward?

OT: We'll have zero tolerance going forward. I can’t investigate the past, what Bjarne used to do, what others used to do. If Sky is really doing that with their zero-tolerance for the past, it’s a bit strange. How can you make sure that their riders and sports directors have never been involved in doping?

CN: They make people sign an agreement saying they were never involved in doping.

OT: That's bull****. Katusha pushed their riders to sign such a letter and then they had two doping cases. Anyone can sign anything for money. For me there was 100 per cent of doping in cycling 15 years so how can zero-tolerance for in the past work? If Sky want real zero-tolerance they should sign riders who were juniors now and have sports directeurs who are 20 years old, otherwise it's a joke.

I have said before I think the Garmin clean model is more realistic for the current teams, True ZTP should become the norm in maybe 10 years.

Sky has made a rod for people to beat them with, I don't think the financial people who insisted on it, really had a clue just how prevalent doping was.

 

[Benotti69]

I did like this exchange from the Cycling news interview with Tinkov

CN: So for you, it's zero-tolerance from now on, going forward?

OT: We'll have zero tolerance going forward. I can’t investigate the past, what Bjarne used to do, what others used to do. If Sky is really doing that with their zero-tolerance for the past, it’s a bit strange. How can you make sure that their riders and sports directors have never been involved in doping?

CN: They make people sign an agreement saying they were never involved in doping.

OT: That's bull****. Katusha pushed their riders to sign such a letter and then they had two doping cases. Anyone can sign anything for money. For me there was 100 per cent of doping in cycling 15 years so how can zero-tolerance for in the past work? If Sky want real zero-tolerance they should sign riders who were juniors now and have sports directeurs who are 20 years old, otherwise it's a joke.

I have said before I think the Garmin clean model is more realistic for the current teams, True ZTP should become the norm in maybe 10 years.

Sky has made a rod for people to beat them with, I don't think the financial people who insisted on it, really had a clue just how prevalent doping was.

It is just another sign that Sky are full of sh!t and lying.