Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[DirtyWorks]

the same 'suspicious performances' updated rhetoric (read BS) .

Froome's cumulative performances aren't suspicious?
Wiggo?

That's just the top podium guys.

 

[RichWalk]

Froome's cumulative performances aren't suspicious?
Wiggo?

That's just the top podium guys.

I was generalising with that quote rather being 'Sky specific'

 

[RownhamHill]

hmm. Yes. You mean the federation that hides positives is going to suddenly stop hiding them? Or do you mean the national federation (USA Cycling, no wait BC) that will enforce anti-doping? Because the Pro team and the sports federation supposedly doing rules enforcement and creating grand tour champions are really one.

I don't mean anything really other than answering your question about some specifics that might constitute proof that Sky GT podium riders are doping.

Your words appear to suggest that you think the only possible explanation for an absence of positive tests from Wiggins, Frome and Uran (are there any others from Sky who have podiumed GTs?) is that they have all failed tests, but the results have been covered up the UCI/BC. Clearly that is a possibility, but I'm going to have to respectfully agree to disagree that that is the only possibility that is, erm, possible as well.

After the statute of limitations of course! What good will it do then?

It would prove what you've been saying is true? Again, just giving you some specifics as to what might constitute proof.

All of which were present during Armstrong's fraud. All of them explained away by the most ridiculous reasons since Santa Claus.

Yep. And that's why I absolutely believed Armstrong was doping way back when - to the degree that I didn't follow cycling for ten years - you just had to see the way he treated Bassons to take the hint. But I didn't think we were talking about convicted drugs cheat Lance Armstrong at the moment?

Similarly, all legitimate warnings are explained away in 2014.

Feels like 2005 all over again.

Oh, I see, we are talking about Armstrong now. I thought the truth was meant to have set you free?

 

[RownhamHill]

Red text used to correct, free of charge.

Thanks Benotti, so kind!

 

[DirtyWorks]

Oh, I see, we are talking about Armstrong now. I thought the truth was meant to have set you free?

No. In 2014 we're seeing the same kind of flimsy stories attempting to explain extraordinary and not plausible performances. That's all really.

I would think by now more people would come to the conclusion that since the UCI and a national federation helped create an international sports fraud once that more people could look at Sky and see the same thing, only more sophisticated this time. But, I guess not.

 

[Benotti69]

No. In 2014 we're seeing the same kind of flimsy stories attempting to explain extraordinary and not plausible performances. That's all really.

I would think by now more people would come to the conclusion that since the UCI and a national federation helped create an international sports fraud once that more people could look at Sky and see the same thing, only more sophisticated this time. But, I guess not.

I agree, UCI, ASO and nominated one pro team to decide the TdF to maximise coverage and profits. The only thing that went wrong last time was the rider was a sociopath so this time different riders for different years........

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Not that it matters one jot to your argument, but minor point FYI.

There is a 10K open water swim at the olympics, takes about 2 hours for women, about 10 mins faster for men.

(Was a targeted event in 2012 for a UK medal, but Keri-Anne Paine came 4th).

Thanks. As I wrote 1500m, I had a niggle in the back of my mind about an open water swim...

 

[ebandit]

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I agree, UCI, ASO and nominated one pro team to decide the TdF to maximise coverage and profits. The only thing that went wrong last time was the rider was a sociopath so this time different riders for different years........

I don't get it a single team dominating an event can't be good for interest

for max coverage I would look to a ding-d0ng rivalry between several leaders

from differing teams

and anyway................sky / froomey are dull

Mark L

 

[DirtyWorks]

I don't get it a single team dominating an event can't be good for interest

If you are talking about vaguely interested cycling fans, then you are correct.

The ASO/UCI goal is selling existing broadcast rights to new customers, and grabbing more tourism budget for new broadcast events in-country. That's what I see behind suddenly and overwhelmingly dominant teams.

That's happened twice now. The first time was a totally fraudulent effort.

 

[Benotti69]

I don't get it a single team dominating an event can't be good for interest

for max coverage I would look to a ding-d0ng rivalry between several leaders

from differing teams

and anyway................sky / froomey are dull

Mark L

ASO/UCI have aligned with Murdoch and that influence money cannot buy.

Cycling is not a team sport in the manner of other sports. The rider is what gets the accolades and glory. It is the rider that sells.

 

[TheGame]

Chef doing chefy stuff == marginal gain:





Except...

The CSC chef was hired as he was known by Scott Sunderland. The first three months of the season Sky were using a BC chef and trying to put all the riders on BC meals. The result, **** loads of the riders got ill over the first 2 months of the year and had to drop out of races because the "diet" didn't work. He was brought in by SS after the team realised that a specialist Track diet cooked by some prat from British Cycling wasn't cutting it.

Exactly the same reason Leinders was brought in. The doctors Sky hired at the start had no experience of cycling, and the riders kicked off and protested and said they wanted proper doctors with experience of the sport.

 

[The Hitch]

The CSC chef was hired as he was known by Scott Sunderland. The first three months of the season Sky were using a BC chef and trying to put all the riders on BC meals. The result, **** loads of the riders got ill over the first 2 months of the year and had to drop out of races because the "diet" didn't work. He was brought in by SS after the team realised that a specialist Track diet cooked by some prat from British Cycling wasn't cutting it.

Exactly the same reason Leinders was brought in. The doctors Sky hired at the start had no experience of cycling, and the riders kicked off and protested and said they wanted proper doctors with experience of the sport.

Very interesting.

So marginal gains is real, Sky just neglect to mention its something they can only use to catch up to what everyone else is doing.

So, DB take 2. Why are your riders so much better than everyone else who ever rode a bicycle?

 

[veganrob]

Yep. And that's why I absolutely believed Armstrong was doping way back when - to the degree that I didn't follow cycling for ten years - you just had to see the way he treated Bassons to take the hint. But I didn't think we were talking about convicted drugs cheat Lance Armstrong at the moment?


Yet Wiggins treatment of literally everybody that might doubt him does not proved a hint to doping in your mind. After all, it does sound like you are using Lance's treatment of Basson for forming your belief.

That's kinda weird.

We're all lazy *** ****s and ****ers. Shocking

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Exactly the same reason Leinders was brought in. The doctors Sky hired at the start had no experience of cycling, and the riders kicked off and protested and said they wanted proper doctors with experience of the sport.

Thats not entirely true issit? Here we have Roger Palfreeman, now at BMC, formerly at Linda Mac, with a young Twiggo:

http://www.pelotonwebdesigns.com/lindamccartney/2000/racing/giro/giro1.htm

How long was he again at Sky?

 

[bobbins]

Thats not entirely true issit? Here we have Roger Palfreeman, now at BMC, formerly at Linda Mac, with a young Twiggo:

http://www.pelotonwebdesigns.com/lindamccartney/2000/racing/giro/giro1.htm

How long was he again at Sky?

The infamous 'bug'! Didn't the book that Deering wrote cover the real explanation?

 

[ebandit]

really

Very interesting.

Why are your riders so much better than everyone else who ever rode a bicycle?

really?............of course hitch sky riders ............the best Ever

next you will be telling us team sky don't have any fans other than in

britain.............none at All

interesting others take on ASO wanting a british winner I would have thought

a french winner would be more greatly desired

Mark L

 

[Benotti69]

really?............of course hitch sky riders ............the best Ever

next you will be telling us team sky don't have any fans other than in

britain.............none at All

interesting others take on ASO wanting a british winner I would have thought

a french winner would be more greatly desired

Mark L

Why a French winner? ASO have the French market sown up. I bet they would love a Chinese winner. Bring the Dakar to China

 

[Freddythefrog]

Thats not entirely true issit? Here we have Roger Palfreeman, now at BMC, formerly at Linda Mac, with a young Twiggo:

http://www.pelotonwebdesigns.com/lindamccartney/2000/racing/giro/giro1.htm

How long was he again at Sky?

Thank you for that. You do not know how informative that was. ( Not the wiggo or Linda Mac bit.)

 

[bobbins]

Is that the same Johd Deering who co wrote "It's all about the bike - by hear/see/do no evil Yates ? What was his explanation ? Did it reveal anything ?

I thought the book went into detail about what had really happened, I'll have to dig it out and double check.

 

[Marco Pantani]

Dave being naive again? Cioni as a DS. What the heck is he doing?

 

[the sceptic]

Dave Mugabe doesnt care about dopers as long as the public thinks they are clean.

Im sure Martingooners will be in here shortly to explain that there isnt any evidence against Cioni.

 

[roundabout]

He did survive the purge.

Is it because the Italian arm of Sky likes him that much?

 

[bobbins]

He did survive the purge.

Is it because the Italian arm of Sky likes him that much?

I don't think the purge really worked did it!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Keep forgetting Sky Italia own part of Team Sky. D'Oh!

 

[Netserk]

I don't think the purge really worked did it!

Are you really telling me that Kurt Asle Arvesen and Servais Knaven haven't been clean for their entire career!?!