Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Zam_Olyas]

What a disater for SKY! However, I do see 4 names and aperently only one is in trouble for taking dop. Vino IS Astana and those two others have been as prominent as Rogers but too bad for him and SKY that you all hate SKY.

Oh alright it's all because we "hate" sky.

 

[roundabout]

sorry, Sky isn't involved here at all. They might even get good press out of it for firing both Michael's.

And yes, DB is lieing through his teeth. The stories are not surprising nor shocking. Anyone who is involved in cycling and is surprised that MR is implicated is either the biggest idiot of the peloton or flat out lieing. As DB is rather competent it's clear he lies. And if he lies about this... well, it shows the worth of his convictions, ideals and words.

But they will spin it differently, punish the scapegoats and the media will lap it up.

Wiggo will be extremely dissapointed, perhaps curse MR in a tweet (Some swearwords, Brittish public loves that genuine sentiment).

But Rogers hasn't confessed, nor is being seen with Ferrari is "proven doping".

I doubt that Sky will fire Rogers. Wouldn't make their hiring look any better.

 

[sittingbison]

What a disater for SKY! However, I do see 4 names and aperently only one is in trouble for taking dop. Vino IS Astana and those two others have been as prominent as Rogers but too bad for him and SKY that you all hate SKY.

Wellll....this is the Sky thread. Rogers is a VERY prominent member of Sky, in fact Wiggos "Hincapie".

The others are all outed as well. Just not relevent to this thread

But, as explained in other stuff, Ferrari appears to have discussed doping in private. All the Leipheimer affidavit establishes is that Rogers went to the camp and trained with Ferrari.Now, that is obviously suspicious as hell, and the obvious conclusion is that Rogers was doping. Particularly when you consider what team he was on. But it's nothing really new. Rogers was dodgy as hell beforehand and is still dodgy as hell. But there's no smoking gun to convict him.

But Rogers hasn't confessed, nor is being seen with Ferrari is "proven doping"...

I think this IS the smoking gun, as I said before its not just gossip or clinic theory, this is a sworn affidavit about Levis doping with Ferrari. DOPING. Rogers has not confessed, but Leipheimer has, and NAMED Rogers and the others in doing so.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

The question is whether anyone will act on it? My guess is that with all the attention on Armstrong, Sky hope that the likes of Yates, Barry, Possoni and Rogers can avoid being dragged in.

 

[The Hitch]

Where does this leave the likes of Wiggins? Seriously?

Does he come out and make some sort of statement, or what? Its all a bit too much to take in at the moment.

On the 5 live interview the interviewers kept praising Bailsford for what a great clean man he is. All.this info we are discussing is never going to be discussing by anyone other than us bone idle ****ers

 

[sniper]

The question is whether anyone will act on it? My guess is that with all the attention on Armstrong, Sky hope that the likes of Yates, Barry, Possoni and Rogers can avoid being dragged in.

good guess.
and as somebody noticed previously, the timing of Sky's closure of the Leinders-case was simply very clever.

 

[roundabout]

I think this IS the smoking gun, as I said before its not just gossip or clinic theory, this is a sworn affidavit about Levis doping with Ferrari. DOPING. Rogers has not confessed, but Leipheimer has, and NAMED Rogers and the others in doing so.

I don't know. Would depend on a lot of things.

Can anyone post that picture of them with Ferrari again?

Edit: found it, but it's a wrong group. But who knows, maybe Levi also has a "group portrait" like that for the memories.

 

[The Hitch]

What a disater for SKY! However, I do see 4 names and aperently only one is in trouble for taking dop. Vino IS Astana and those two others have been as prominent as Rogers but too bad for him and SKY that you all hate SKY.

You are right. No one had any clue that vinokourov was doping in 06. We all declared his vuelta win as the first clean gt win and he has never even served time.for.it:

It is shocking to find out vino may have been doping in 06 and i pray that this won't make people suspicious of kashechkin.

 

[Franklin]

Meh.

1. Michael Barry will be fired.
2. Michael Rogers might be fired.
3. If really unlucky Sean Yates will be "allowed to focus on the next step in his career"

That's the maximum impact it will have. And I certainly don't think it will go farther than MR, but even then, by ditching Yates they will have removed the last connections.

Heck they can and will make themselves look good through all of this

 

[MartinGT]

Meh.

1. Michael Barry will be fired.
2. Michael Rogers might be fired.
3. If really unlucky Sean Yates will be "allowed to focus on the next step in his career"

That's the maximum impact it will have. And I certainly don't think it will go farther than MR, but even then, by ditching Yates they will have reoved the last connections.

Heck they can and will make themselves look good through all of this

Barry has retired dude

 

[The Hitch]

Wellll....this is the Sky thread. Rogers is a VERY prominent member of Sky, in fact Wiggos "Hincapie".

The others are all outed as well. Just not relevent to this thread





I think this IS the smoking gun, as I said before its not just gossip or clinic theory, this is a sworn affidavit about Levis doping with Ferrari. DOPING. Rogers has not confessed, but Leipheimer has, and NAMED Rogers and the others in doing so.

If it took 2 years to ban contador for a positive test and 4 for valverde for puerto, and people still defend them, do you really expect to get anything out.of a "proven liar" claiming he trained with rogers?

 

[Franklin]

Well, even better... nothing to see here and move along

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I have this image in my head, of a small child, chocolate all over its face, standing in the kitchen, looking guilty as hell.

Did you eat the chocolate biscuit, son?

Nuh uh. There's no smoking gun, Da da. It's all just hearsay and circumstantial evidence.

This is how Balco was cracked:

In 2003, U.S. sprint coach Trevor Graham delivered a syringe containing traces of THG to the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA). This helped Don Catlin, MD, the founder and then-director of the UCLA Olympic Analytical Lab, to identify and develop a test for THG, the second reported designer anabolic steroid

We just need someone to develop a conscience, and quickly. Strike while the iron is hot. Otherwise we're back at square 99.

 

[BYOP88]

Barry has retired dude

No they re-hired him just so they could fire him and show the world that Sky are tough on dopers and on the causes of doping!

 

[MartinGT]

No they re-hired him just so they could fire him and show the world that Sky are tough on dopers and on the causes of doping!

"Welcome back man"

"Cheers"

"Just one thing.........................You're fired"

LOL They should get Alan Sugar in to do it

 

[Bobby G]

Such a disappointing reaction from some riders. To a certain extent, I can understand those who commend LAs charity work, but even this was built on lies. "Look at me, I survived cancer and have gone on to be super-duper, you can too*". Interesting moral argument that one. But those stating "ohhh it was in the past, that was then". ****s sake, get a grip. Incredibly naive point of view and unhealthy for the recovery of the sport. His actions should be condemned. Anyway, what LA did extends a little beyond the casual EPO user. Make Richard Virenque look a saint, and a fanny for only lying for a matter of days! As far as I'm concerned the mans a bloody criminal. Enforcing the use of drugs as a pre-requisite of joining the team!?? .... Jesus wept.

But don't worry, every one was a bad penny back then Alex, hey? Fantastic, display of arrogance, naivety, ineptitude by British cycling on this matter yet again. I beg Wiggo to keep his fat gob shut 'n all. Not a fan of his one iota, but I bet he can't help but have one last slug on Lance's depleted nether regions.

The attitude of British cyclists actually sums up the opinions of the wider, ill-informed British public (not many cycling enthusiasts) quite well. We're a nations of suckers for heroes and facts in equal measure. Therefore a 7 times winner of the worlds toughest sports event (which we now hold, yey! ) who did so after surviving cancer and passed over 500 tests is a legend, no questions asked. Listening to radio shows (particulalrly talk sport - and even more so you Darren Gough) is a right hardship at the moment. Some ***, usually - but not limited to - a former sports star who had never even heard of cycling until the worlds first sprinter Mark Cavendish came along, starts trying to impose their over sized egotistical opinions onto a subject they not sod all about.



* You may require $millions of PEDs

 

[MartinGT]

Such a disappointing reaction from some riders. To a certain extent, I can understand those who commend LAs charity work, but even this was built on lies. "Look at me, I survived cancer and have gone on to be super-duper, you can too*". Interesting moral argument that one. But those stating "ohhh it was in the past, that was then". ****s sake, get a grip. Incredibly naive point of view and unhealthy for the recovery of the sport. His actions should be condemned. Anyway, what LA did extends a little beyond the casual EPO user. Make Richard Virenque look a saint, and a fanny for only lying for a matter of days! As far as I'm concerned the mans a bloody criminal. Enforcing the use of drugs as a pre-requisite of joining the team!?? .... Jesus wept.

But don't worry, every one was a bad penny back then Alex, hey? Fantastic, display of arrogance, naivety, ineptitude by British cycling on this matter yet again. I beg Wiggo to keep his fat gob shut 'n all. Not a fan of his one iota, but I bet he can't help but have one last slug on Lance's depleted nether regions.

The attitude of British cyclists actually sums up the opinions of the wider, ill-informed British public (not many cycling enthusiasts) quite well. We're a nations of suckers for heroes and facts in equal measure. Therefore a 7 times winner of the worlds toughest sports event (which we now hold, yey! ) who did so after surviving cancer and passed over 500 tests is a legend, no questions asked. Listening to radio shows (particulalrly talk sport - and even more so you Darren Gough) is a right hardship at the moment. Some ***, usually - but not limited to - a former sports star who had never even heard of cycling until the worlds first sprinter Mark Cavendish came along, starts trying to impose their over sized egotistical opinions onto a subject they not sod all about.



* You may require $millions of PEDs

I have just been having a "chat" with someone a Twitter who was defending Sky saying it was fashionable to knock them. Then turns around and said "All roadies are cocks" and then it turns out he doenst really watch cycling

WTF!

 

[thehog]

Sky are a funny bunch aren’t they? When all others teams are saying nothing they’re out there setting the record straight.

Whatever for a I wonder.

My feeling is they want DB to do all the talking and deflect away from Wiggins having to say anything.

Don’t want those old Postal quotes coming back to haunt them.

Then there’s Geert, Yates, Rogers etc.

 

[curium]

I may be late to the party but apparently Alex Dowsetthas stated that Armstrong is a legend and that all this doping stuff is not important and doesn't really matter.

Presumably Alex believes that since it was rampant it was a level playing field. Perhaps if Alex had been racing back in 1999 he to would of taken EPO because if everyone else is doing it that makes it the right thing to do and you should escape punishment.

Right Alex?

 

[RichWalk]

Sky are a funny bunch aren’t they? When all others teams are saying nothing they’re out there setting the record straight.

Whatever for a I wonder.

My feeling is they want DB to do all the talking and deflect away from Wiggins having to say anything.

Don’t want those old Postal quotes coming back to haunt them.

Then there’s Geert, Yates, Rogers etc.

Yep, that old 'get in first approach' again, expect there are some at Sky feeling a little nervy right now, esp with Rogers being mentioned with Ferrari.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I have just been having a "chat" with someone a Twitter who was defending Sky saying it was fashionable to knock them. Then turns around and said "All roadies are cocks" and then it turns out he doenst really watch cycling

WTF!

he's still right though. it is fashionable to knock sky because they win.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Try asking any questions about Sky-USP links on the BBC and your post gets deleted by the moderators very quickly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19906657

 

[JimmyFingers]

He used to ride for Armstrong youth team, I would call it misguided loyalty/

I would if the British press will pick on Rogers. I had heard the innuendo here but the report seems to confirm he has worked with Ferrari in the past. I would hope Sky take a firm stance with him and terminate the contract.

 

[Velo1ticker]

Try asking any questions about Sky-USP links on the BBC and your post gets deleted by the moderators very quickly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19906657

Why do you not try any other team in connection with USP? Here's a list of dopers you can bash:
Eduardo Chozas Spain
Anselmo Fuerte Spain
Marino Lejarreta Spain
Melchior Mauri Spain
Juan Llaneras Spain
Alex Zülle Switzerland
Johan Bruyneel Belgium
Laurent Jalabert France
Erik Breukink Netherlands
Laurent Dufaux Switzerland
David Etxebarria Spain
Patrick Jonker Australia
Íñigo Cuesta Spain
Mikel Zarrabeitia Spain
Carlos Sastre Spain
José Ivan Gutierrez Spain
Peter Luttenberger Austria
Isidro Nozal Spain
Abraham Olano Spain
David Arroyo Spain
José Azevedo Portugal
Joseba Beloki Spain
Igor González de Galdeano Spain
Jörg Jaksche Germany
Iván Parra Colombia
Giampaolo Caruso Italy
Alberto Contador Spain
Allan Davis Australia
Koldo Gil Spain
Luis León Sánchez Spain
Carlos Barredo Spain
Roberto Heras Spain
Mohamad Fauzi Shafihi Malaysia
José Joaquin Rojas Spain
Michele Scarponi Italy
Andrey Kashechkin Kazakhstan
Alexandre Vinokourov

 

[coinneach]

OK guys, what would you prefer?
A off the cuff comments by people who think (wrongly) its nothing to do with them & haven't had time to read the report & are still on auto-pilot
B corporate tactful responses approved by press officers
or C Omerta?

Choose A, B or C and then blame Sky for it