Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

Yes I spoke to the UCI and they said they'd take care of it.

No I don't have inside info...

 

[WinterRider]

Great post Hog. Keep em comin!

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Crystal ball says the following:

Wiggins gets 7th in Giro based on TT form.
Porte strong early but falls away to nothing.
Porte gets frustrated in latter part of 2013. Wants results for himself and Wiggins has lost interest in "team".
Froome goes gangbusters at Tour. In one stage he goes over the top and either wins solo by 2 minutes or does his one handed look around gestures again. He'll drop Contador on one stage and put serious time into him.
The peloton after the Armstrong fall out will begin to call him out.
Froome with the pressure of doping innuendo will start to dial it back and drop away.
Porte will either test positive or non-confess confess by eluding to certain "things" in the press.
Sky's classic campaign will be woeful.

Zarathustra has spoken

 

[Dead Star]

Yep. Nobody knows what Leinders did with Sky. But the fans tell us they're transparent. So somehow we do know. Must be clean then. Yep. They said so....

 

[armchairclimber]

You are quoting my post, so it looks like you are responding and directing these statements to me.



It's simple to see if they make sense. Funny how no data is released and yet the impact of releasing it is 0 on competitive grounds.

Or do you disagree? Data can be doctored, but if the files themselves are released, it's very simple to verify them, and they need to make sense from a performance POV too. Release all of them - even just from key stages - and the truth will be revealed.



I'm not the one who criticized them for not following their "ZTP". If anything, I repeatedly point out Brailsford explicitly stated he's relaxing the policy in 2011 - just before Sky ricochet into the stratosphere of winning everything. Now that the proverbial is hitting the fan, they dial it back - oh no, we're really zero tolerance, ignore what we publicly stated previously.

If you don't see the reality of sacking someone who was doping, you're missing the forest for the trees. Can't help you there.

Curious that Froome was allowed to race without signing the paper yes?

Curious that Wiggo can talk to the media but still hasn't signed?



You are taking the urine here, no question. My love of cycling has nothing to do with the pros whatsoever, and involves sunshine (which I know you lot don't get in the UK), fresh air, an alpine vista, and an increasing fitness before I start racing again. It also includes people I race with and coach. It's all real and natural and believable.

I would not have turned my attention to Brad if he had not invited me to prove that I am not a bone idle lazy w*nker. My attention and energy is directed at him and his team purely for this reason: he annoyed me with his outburst.

The only interaction betwen a pro rider and the public that might in any way indicate what they are up to are:

1. their performances: Brad's are not normal
2. their words: "I'm not going to do it by the book", "I'm going to do it my way", "I love Lance Armstrong", "People who say you have to dope to win a GT are bone idle lazy w*nkers", "something about the gears and rolling resistance, and for the same power, going further". Either unbelievable or not believable.
3. their improvement over time: Brad's is not normal
4. their blood values or power files: Brad's 2009 values have interesting "bumps" in the 3rd week, and there's nothing since 2009.

Clean cycling is the best possible thing - I compete and coach in it on an ongoing basis.

You big fibber.

 

[Alphabet]

This thread is amazing, some real tin foil hat stuff.

I disagree. The history of the sport for the last couple of decades and beyond indicates that every winner of a 3 week race should be placed under the doping microscope. The doubters have been right, from Riis to Contador. What makes Wiggins so special as to not have speculation or discussion about the possibility of him doping?

 

[BroDeal]

I disagree. The history of the sport for the last couple of decades and beyond indicates that every winner of a 3 week race should be placed under the doping microscope. The doubters have been right, from Riis to Contador. What makes Wiggins so special as to not have speculation or discussion about the possibility of him doping?

This time it's different. He's British.

How can you doubt someone who would wear this ensemble instead of a suit.

 

[Alphabet]

He looks like such a git . What is that, a raincoat?

 

[Telmisartan new]

He looks like such a git . What is that, a raincoat?

Its the Ming the Merciless 'look'.

They were flaming merciless at Plateau des Belles Filles alright, every time i've watched that stage i've felt physically sick, its akin to that nauseous feeling one gets when it dawns on one that one is in the midst of another UCI sanctioned team wide doping program.Sick to the pit of my stomach, another bunch of wretched con-artists but this time with a "Were clean were British" twist.I wish Prudhomme had voided THIS year's Tour result as a punishment for it being the most boring insipid TDF in history won by a bunch of cash-rich sophisticated dopers with an appalling attitude.I prefer the Spanish dopers, at least they ride with attacking panache and more or less admit they dope.

Sky have took this sport to gutter level, its as straightforward as that.

 

[BroDeal]

He looks like such a git . What is that, a raincoat?

Riders have been known to wear makeup or long sleeved shirts to hide needle marks. Sometimes that just doesn't cut it. You need something more. That coat goes to eleven.

 

[simo1733]

Frodo LOL!

Aye, I dont understand the Porte link. Come on lads, share!

He is known as Bingo within the Anglo section of the bunch.Frodo is just a forum nickname.Bingo is much funnier if you are familar with the popular childrens beat combo "The Banana Splits"

 

[Alphabet]

Its the Ming the Merciless 'look'.

They were flaming merciless at Plateau des Belles Filles alright, every time i've watched that stage i've felt physically sick, its akin to that nauseous feeling one gets when it dawns on one that one is in the midst of another UCI sanctioned team wide doping program.Sick to the pit of my stomach, another bunch of wretched con-artists but this time with a "Were clean were British" twist.I wish Prudhomme had voided THIS year's Tour result as a punishment for it being the most boring insipid TDF in history won by a bunch of cash-rich sophisticated dopers with an appalling attitude.I prefer the Spanish dopers, at least they ride with attacking panache and more or less admit they dope.

Sky have took this sport to gutter level, its as straightforward as that.

To be honest, I don't really like the "Different treatment for dopers depending on their riding style" culture that is pretty widespread throughout cycling fans. I'm no exception, given that I like Contador and Vino, but dislike Wiggins though he's not doing anything they didn't.

 

[Ferminal]

To be honest, I don't really like the "Different treatment for dopers depending on their riding style" culture that is pretty widespread throughout cycling fans. I'm no exception, given that I like Contador and Vino, but dislike Wiggins though he's not doing anything they didn't.

lol! I have preferences amongst dopers too. As long as you are judging them based on their other characteristics (and not their doping) I don't think it matters.

 

[Tim_sleepless]

Riders have been known to wear makeup or long sleeved shirts to hide needle marks. Sometimes that just doesn't cut it. You need something more. That coat goes to eleven.

I agree. If Sky really wanted to be transparent, their riders would be naked at all times.

 

[blackcat]

This time it's different. He's British.

How can you doubt someone who would wear this ensemble instead of a suit.

trench coat. Why does he not just buy the complete wardrobe from Quadrophenia. He is like a caricature as is.

 

[coinneach]

trench coat. Why does he not just buy the complete wardrobe from Quadrophenia. He is like a caricature as is.

I disagree: I think he's got more personality off the bike than he has on it.
Cav, on the other hand, looks like a "Usual Suspect".

 

[badboygolf16v]

Yeah, Wiggo is a genuinely funny guy. Which makes it all the more disappointing.

Regarding the coat: Brad Barstardly.

 

[scottfrasernz]

trench coat. Why does he not just buy the complete wardrobe from Quadrophenia. He is like a caricature as is.

This time it's different. He's British.

How can you doubt someone who would wear this ensemble instead of a suit.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Wiggins will be getting paid a sh** load of money from Chav Paul Smith for wearing that coat.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

The repeated mocking of an admittedly ridiculous coat goes to show the true motives of the Sky and Wiggins bashing. That and the fact that posters don't mind Contador and Vino doping because they are fun to watch.

 

[scottfrasernz]

The repeated mocking of an admittedly ridiculous coat goes to show the true motives of the Sky and Wiggins bashing. That and the fact that posters don't mind Contador and Vino doping because they are fun to watch.

So you're saying his coat's ridiculous, he's doping, and boring to watch.

 

[del1962]

In the phot Brad looks cool, unlike Cadel who looks like a banker. (or Paul Robinson from Neighbours)

 

[dlwssonic]

At least Wiggins is trying to be different and has interests in fashion

 

[armchairclimber]

I dunno, the lad wins the tour clean, makes jokes on the podium, pulls faces at opera singers, wears fancy dress for tour launches and doesn't talk like a media-managed robot...and all he gets is stick.

"Paul Robinson" made me laugh though.

 

[ebandit]

we're clean.......we're british

Its the Ming the Merciless 'look'.

They were flaming merciless at Plateau des Belles Filles alright, every time i've watched that stage i've felt physically sick, its akin to that nauseous feeling one gets when it dawns on one that one is in the midst of another UCI sanctioned team wide doping program.Sick to the pit of my stomach, another bunch of wretched con-artists but this time with a "Were clean were British" twist.I wish Prudhomme had voided THIS year's Tour result as a punishment for it being the most boring insipid TDF in history won by a bunch of cash-rich sophisticated dopers with an appalling attitude.I prefer the Spanish dopers, at least they ride with attacking panache and more or less admit they dope.

Sky have took this sport to gutter level, its as straightforward as that.

we're clean.......we're british?.................how come the only place i read this is here in the clinic

is it anything more than a clinic myth?

sky may be uk based but line up is very international

obvious fact many british athletes have been sanctioned............no team official / athlete has used being british as a defence against accusations

as to what brad wears at presentations.............who gives a **** it's what he wears on the bike that should concern us