Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Dear Wiggo]

A very happy parallel universe, and maybe it's better that way?

The families of the dead cyclists disagree.
The talented kids and their families with dreams of racing in Europe disagree.

 

[coinneach]

The real question is who is behind the Wiggins (and maybe Sutton) crash, and why?

Was it so that there's a credible reason for why Wiggins doesn't do as well next year if they have to cut back his program due to increased surveliance?

Or is it so that he can be out of the public eye while his program is racheted up (with possible reason for TUE's for cortisoids etc)..

Or was it a warning, in case he was getting uncomfortable with the doping?

How did Wiggins' wife get to the scence so fast, unless she knew it was going to happen?

Notice that the crash was caused by a van. What do installers of Sky Satellite systems drive .... vans.


Join the dots.

It was a white Astra, though I believe one or two Sky employee's wives drive them too

 

[Tim_sleepless]

It was a white Astra, though I believe one or two Sky employee's wives drive them too

White Astra Envoy Van... .... don't try and throw us off the scent..!

Plus it was driven by someone called "Cath Burrows"... which is suspiciously similar to "Cath Wiggins"

 

[MartinGT]

Its been a few days (well, over a week) since I have been on here.

Has anyone else signed this no doping thing from Sky? Mostly interested in the riders. It all seems to have gone very quiet on that front.

All that I know is Froome and Porte have signed it?

Do they think we are not bothered that the dust is settling? Because its not!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Its been a few days (well, over a week) since I have been on here.

Has anyone else signed this no doping thing from Sky? Mostly interested in the riders. It all seems to have gone very quiet on that front.

All that I know is Froome and Porte have signed it?

Do they think we are not bothered that the dust is settling? Because its not!

They have hired an Aussie head triathlon coach to replace Julich, but otherwise no back office staff have been mentioned as having signed the doping thing, no other riders mentioned beyond Porte and Froome having signed.

Nada.

Laughable.

 

[veganrob]

Yep. The A-team riders can all sign without fear since they are on the Sky program and are therefore protected

 

[MartinGT]

What a laughing stock.

Quick to get the most suspectable member on the team signed to dampen things down.

Pffft

 

[JimmyFingers]

They have hired an Aussie head triathlon coach to replace Julich, but otherwise no back office staff have been mentioned as having signed the doping thing, no other riders beyond Porte and Froome have signed.

Nada.

Laughable.

Why laughable? Did they talk about a timescale?

 

[MartinGT]

Why laughable? Did they talk about a timescale?

You do realise most teams will soon be training for the new season? Most teams have released their team roster for next season, albeit shy of a couple of Neo's etc?

How long are they going to wait? Something as important as this needs sorting so they dont become magnets for finger pointers.........oh.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Why laughable? Did they talk about a timescale?

Why can't they all sign the day they announce it? Why is it only the known ex-doper back-office staff have been mentioned, anywhere?

Rogers has question marks, big time. *crickets*

There's enough people getting together to interview and hire a new coach, but no mention of him signing the anti-doping pledge thingy, or people like Kerrison, who you would expect to be involved, having signed it.

Consistency develops trust. Sky are severely lacking consistency right now.

Laughably so.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

They have hired an Aussie head triathlon coach to replace Julich, but otherwise no back office staff have been mentioned as having signed the doping thing, no other riders mentioned beyond Porte and Froome having signed.

Nada.

Laughable.

From a Sky perspective, this is only to do with limiting their damage if a Sky team member is shown to have doped in the past. With the document signed, Sky can sack the team member on the spot and demonstrate clearly that they have been lied to by a scoundrel who was given a perfect opportunity to fess up and move on, with generous financial support. Most people will accept that there is only so much an employer can do in the face of duplicitous behaviour by a rogue employee.

At the moment, there's no benefit to Sky in them publicising who has signed and who hasn't. The benefit only arises if a retrosepective doping scandal emerges.

If the documents are largely unsigned and a doping scandal does emerge then Sky are in deep doo-doo, as it will be clear that they have done nothing to deal with the issue of historic doping offences and will have no plausible means of claiming that they did anything about it.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

From a Sky perspective, this is only to do with limiting their damage if a Sky team member is shown to have doped in the past. With the document signed, Sky can sack the team member on the spot and demonstrate clearly that they have been lied to by a scoundrel who was given a perfect opportunity to fess up and move on, with generous financial support. Most people will accept that there is only so much an employer can do in the face of duplicitous behaviour by a rogue employee.

At the moment, there's no benefit to Sky in them publicising who has signed and who hasn't. The benefit only arises if a retrosepective doping scandal emerges.

If the documents are largely unsigned and a doping scandal does emerge then Sky are in deep doo-doo, as it will be clear that they have done nothing to deal with the issue of historic doping offences and will have no plausible means of claiming that they did anything about it.

I don't follow. Do they have a zero tolerance policy, yes or no? Are they requiring everyone on the team to sign said policy, yes or no? Why mention only Porte and Froome? Why only fire others?

Completely inconsistent. Low quality. A joke.

 

[ebandit]

sign

no back office staff have been mentioned as having signed the doping thing, no other riders mentioned beyond Porte and Froome having signed.

Nada.

Laughable.

are you sure of this.............or is it hearsay?

ok there has been no news but why would there be?

news would be if staff were unable to sign and moved on

 

[Mellow Velo]

They have hired an Aussie head triathlon coach to replace Julich, but otherwise no back office staff have been mentioned as having signed the doping thing, no other riders mentioned beyond Porte and Froome having signed.

Nada.

Laughable.

Perhaps Sky have taken a leaf out of Orica GE's book
and riders get to sign in late July, 2013?

On the other hand, it may be because Brailsford has the Glasgow track WC, this weekend.

Or it may be, as you say.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Why can't they all sign the day they announce it? Why is it only the known ex-doper back-office staff have been mentioned, anywhere?

Rogers has question marks, big time. *crickets*

There's enough people getting together to interview and hire a new coach, but no mention of him signing the anti-doping pledge thingy, or people like Kerrison, who you would expect to be involved, having signed it.

Consistency develops trust. Sky are severely lacking consistency right now.

Laughably so.

why is it news if the riders signed it? it's only news if they didn;'t sign it. which means probably they all signed it, except some team directors

 

[MartinGT]

are you sure of this.............or is it hearsay?

ok there has been no news but why would there be?

news would be if staff were unable to sign and moved on

Serious?

Why wouldnt Sky say they have signed, its far better for Sky to appear as transparent as they want to be than have "Oh did Wiggins sign the form?" when it comes into the new season.

Sky need to remove these question marks that are hanging over them big time.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

I don't follow. Do they have a zero tolerance policy, yes or no? Are they requiring everyone on the team to sign said policy, yes or no? Why mention only Porte and Froome? Why only fire others?

Completely inconsistent. Low quality. A joke.

I'm sure you know better than News International's lawyers!

This is all about damage limitation in specific circumstances in the future, not looking good now.

 

[ebandit]

seious

Serious?

Why wouldnt Sky say they have signed, its far better for Sky to appear as transparent as they want to be than have "Oh did Wiggins sign the form?" when it comes into the new season.

Sky need to remove these question marks that are hanging over them big time.

yes! i'm serious ..........dear wiggo says it's 'laughable'...........wish

i had his sense of humour...........imagine how 'fun' life would be?

but he is probably happy just to have something else to gripe about team sky

 

[JimmyFingers]

Why can't they all sign the day they announce it? Why is it only the known ex-doper back-office staff have been mentioned, anywhere?

Rogers has question marks, big time. *crickets*

There's enough people getting together to interview and hire a new coach, but no mention of him signing the anti-doping pledge thingy, or people like Kerrison, who you would expect to be involved, having signed it.

Consistency develops trust. Sky are severely lacking consistency right now.

Laughably so.

You do know it's the off season, right? Riders are starting to train again but it's not like a football club where you corner all the boys in the changing rooms and shove a peice of paper in their faces. The staff are spread out all over the world.

Sky get flack for doing this zero-tolerance thing in the first place, now they are laughable because they are not doing it fast enough?

 

[MartinGT]

I'm sure you know better than News International's lawyers!

This is all about damage limitation in specific circumstances in the future, not looking good now.

The same coporation that thought it was Ok to phone hack etc and whom are getting **** f@cked in the Leveson enquiry?

Come on FFS take off the blinkers man.

Sky are saying they have zero doping policy and their staff will sign this no doping sheet, how they are a clean team etc.

A clean team that is about as transparent as a concrete wall.

Why were Sky quick to say Froome & Porte had signed? They got them in ASAP, was that to say

"Look everyone, look, see Froome isnt a doper, he is just good at reacting to marginal gains"

Come on, the less they make public the less transparent they are and the more fingers are pointed at them.

Surly all these should have been signed by now? If they are why nothing coming out of such a failed PR machine?

 

[RownhamHill]

The same coporation that thought it was Ok to phone hack etc and whom are getting **** f@cked in the Leveson enquiry?

Come on FFS take off the blinkers man.

Sky are saying they have zero doping policy and their staff will sign this no doping sheet, how they are a clean team etc.

A clean team that is about as transparent as a concrete wall.

Why were Sky quick to say Froome & Porte had signed? They got them in ASAP, was that to say

"Look everyone, look, see Froome isnt a doper, he is just good at reacting to marginal gains"

Come on, the less they make public the less transparent they are and the more fingers are pointed at them.

Surly all these should have been signed by now? If they are why nothing coming out of such a failed PR machine?

I might be wrong about this, but I seem to remember it was Froome who said in an interview that he'd signed the form, and likewise Porte who announced in another interview that he'd signed it. I don't think 'Sky' announced either as such - they have only put statements out on the staff they've let go.

From a PR perspective this is obviously the right thing to do during the process - as otherwise you effectively end up with a running commentary (and a load of speculation around the commentary) on a process that - with what, about 40-50 individual interviews to conduct, with people scattered around the globe - is going to take a while. There's not much (well actually there's nothing) for Sky to gain from that commentary, but quite a lot of potential damage (mud sticks. . .).

That said, I agree that it's also, PR wise, obviously right that they should get this over with as quickly as possible and announce when the process is completed, with a blanket statement that everyone signed except for the people who didn't and have already left the team. From the original announcement I think most people would expect staff to either sign or leave, so presumably this must come to an end at some point, unless they want to encourage a load more bad press.

So yeah, has the process finished? If it hasn't then I don't think there's much to see here (patience is meant to be a virtue isn't it?) If it has, then why no announcement is indeed the salient question.

Maybe someone should ask Sky directly on twitter?

 

[ebandit]

conspiracy a-go-go

sign.............it's all pr
sign but don't announce with fanfairs.........it's bad pr

can team sky really be criticised for duplicity by the news division?

roll on the racing season when there really will be stuff to talk about again

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

I might be wrong about this, but I seem to remember it was Froome who said in an interview that he'd signed the form, and likewise Porte who announced in another interview that he'd signed it. I don't think 'Sky' announced either as such - they have only put statements out on the staff they've let go.

From a PR perspective this is obviously the right thing to do during the process - as otherwise you effectively end up with a running commentary (and a load of speculation around the commentary) on a process that - with what, about 40-50 individual interviews to conduct, with people scattered around the globe - is going to take a while. There's not much (well actually there's nothing) for Sky to gain from that commentary, but quite a lot of potential damage (mud sticks. . .).

That said, I agree that it's also, PR wise, obviously right that they should get this over with as quickly as possible and announce when the process is completed, with a blanket statement that everyone signed except for the people who didn't and have already left the team. From the original announcement I think most people would expect staff to either sign or leave, so presumably this must come to an end at some point, unless they want to encourage a load more bad press.

So yeah, has the process finished? If it hasn't then I don't think there's much to see here (patience is meant to be a virtue isn't it?) If it has, then why no announcement is indeed the salient question.

Maybe someone should ask Sky directly on twitter?

Brailsford also said in the 5live interview(?) that Sky wouldn't actally be doing any investigations. So if Rogers, for example, said he hasn't doped and all he got from Ferrari was a really good recipe for a risotto then presumably he'd be allowed to sign.

 

[RownhamHill]

sign.............it's all pr
sign but don't announce with fanfairs.........it's bad pr

can team sky really be criticised for duplicity by the news division?

roll on the racing season when there really will be stuff to talk about again

You know the only credible reason for putting the exercise in the public domain was PR management right?

So given that Sky chose to partake in a PR-exercise around zero tolerance, it's neither unreasonable, a conspiracy or a pro- or anti-Sky thing to discuss how the PR exercise is going. Is it?

 

[ebandit]

only

You know the only credible reason for putting the exercise in the public domain was PR management right?

So given that Sky chose to partake in a PR-exercise around zero tolerance, it's neither unreasonable, a conspiracy or a pro- or anti-Sky thing to discuss how the PR exercise is going. Is it?

the only reason?

not.........that team sky wished to work as their stated policy