Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Don't be late Pedro]

What's wrong with the Lance Armstrong mention?

It's more the "look what average me can achieve with hard work bla bla bla" like somehow everyone else is lazy and/or get owned by marginal gains. They are all amazing athletes, and you beat them, YOU are better.

I clearly was referencing the blood passport passage not the Armstrong one.

 

[Ferminal]

I clearly was referencing the blood passport passage not the Armstrong one.

Sorry wasn't a reference to your post, just the LA quote!

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Sorry wasn't a reference to your post, just the LA quote!

Ah, my mistake. Yes, his persistent praising of Armstrong, indirect or otherwise is idiotic.

 

[oldcrank]

Clean cycling is the best possible thing - I compete and coach in it on an ongoing basis.

When will you start posting blood values of you and your athletes?
If you are going to make grandiose Sky-like claims, you should be
prepared to back them up. It would be beneficial if we could also
see a few years of power meter data from races and training as well.

 

[oldcrank]

incredible: (adjective) Hard to believe.

Therefore, an "incredible" athlete is an athlete that is hard to believe.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

incredible: (adjective) Hard to believe.

Therefore, an "incredible" athlete is an athlete that is hard to believe.

Yeah... I think that explanation is hopeful

hope·ful
Adjective
Feeling or inspiring optimism about a future event.

at best.

 

[peterst6906]

When will you start posting blood values of you and your athletes?
If you are going to make grandiose Sky-like claims, you should be
prepared to back them up. It would be beneficial if we could also
see a few years of power meter data from races and training as well.

He won't. He just makes stuff. Problem he's running into with posts like that is the complete contradiction with information posted previously.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

He won't. He just makes stuff. Problem he's running into with posts like that is the complete contradiction with information posted previously.

When will you start posting blood values of you and your athletes?
If you are going to make grandiose Sky-like claims, you should be
prepared to back them up. It would be beneficial if we could also
see a few years of power meter data from races and training as well.

As soon as the ASADA or UCI take a blood sample for analysis, I will publish them. Promise. Complete and utter transparency.

 

[peterst6906]

As soon as the ASADA or UCI take a blood sample for analysis, I will publish them. Promise. Complete and utter transparency.

Reason: thanks for the reminder of why I am ignoring you, peter10928319283210

Clearly not.

Let's have it super coach, when did you complete your CA coaching qualifications. What year? and who ran the course(s)?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Once again you are treating sport as some sort of mathematicval absolute. Every rider is the same. Every race is the same. Any diversion from the model is suspicion.

Some juniors make it. Some don't. There's many things that dicatate that.

Burrow went to US Postal and his career stalled for whatever reason. Once his contract was up, had a team like Sky been there then maybe his career would have taken a different turn.

Similarly, had Sky never existed, would Froome have rotted at Barloworld or similar?

You often mention Cobo - the prime example of someone who acheived at one team and was terrible at another.

You're problem is that you have no feeling for sport - of any kind. You have no appreciation of the concepts of form and opportunity. You beleive that everyone is a robot and works as such. You are wrong - for all your hatred of Sky or HTC's scientific souless approach, you believe in it more than they ever did.

I understand the concepts of form and opportunity, and I believe that the swings in ability from Chris Froome are way beyond what I would consider a reasonable variation between poor form and good form within the same individual. He makes Andy Schleck look like a year-long peaker.

I don't need to think everybody is a robot with no variations in form and where every race is the same (although the UCI is trying its damnedest to make it that way)... but I do feel that talent isn't something you just discover at random that you have when you're 25 or 26 or whatever, but something that will have been shown earlier.

I know that the sport's history is littered with U23 prospects who have failed to make it on the top level. I offered a couple of them earlier in the thread - Remmert Wielinga and Kai Reus. To take a more recent one, Romain Sicard. Sicard could still break through and be a big star, and we could then point to his results as a U23 and say, yes, that guy showed the potential to be a big star, and he's just had some crappy years trying to adapt to the pros. It wouldn't be looking at the Anatomic Jock Race or coming 9th in a mountain stage in Brixia, and trying to justify that that shows GT-winning potential.

It's possible to have 'breakout' performances without having to have three years of achieving sweet FA, with your only memorable performance being planting it on San Luca, then turning into a guy who rides tempo on every MTF, never drops and sends GT winners tumbling out the back. That's not breaking out, that's scorching the earth and destroying the whole building.

 

[simo1733]

Team Sky have livechat tonight 5pm till 6pm.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Pretty sure Brailsford offered to have a Q&A session at Manchester. Any idea when this is happening, if at all?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Bold words from Brailsford in his acceptance speech tonight, 'clean winner of the TdF'

 

[workingclasshero]

when brailsford was presented with the coach of the year award they cited the 'marginal gains' argument

 

[thirteen]

Bold words from Brailsford in his acceptance speech tonight, 'clean winner of the TdF'

yes, i gagged.

 

[Dead Star]

Wiggo didn't thank Geert. Disappointing.

 

[ferryman]

Wiggo didn't thank Geert. Disappointing.

Or yates

 

[Dead Star]

Aye, him too.

 

[JimmyFingers]

yes, i gagged.

Result....

 

[richtea]

I understand the concepts of form and opportunity, and I believe that the swings in ability from Chris Froome are way beyond what I would consider a reasonable variation between poor form and good form within the same individual. He makes Andy Schleck look like a year-long peaker.
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While I can see most of your points, the above seems a touch unfair when he performed well between the Dauphine and the Vuelta including top 5s in two GTs. This is a level of consistency unattained by Schleck in my view.

 

[thirteen]

Result....

double gag, nonetheless.

but you must be happy. congrats.

 

[The Hitch]

Once again you are treating sport as some sort of mathematicval absolute. Every rider is the same. Every race is the same. Any diversion from the model is suspicion.

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Thats exactly what Sky fans do when they use the ridiculous - times are slower now so everyone must be clean argument.

 

[coinneach]

double gag, nonetheless.

but you must be happy. congrats.

Well said Thirteen.....would that everyone was so magnanimous

And well done Jimmy,,,,keep the flame burning!

Passion and belief: the best of sporting joy.

The linesman may put his flag up for offside after, but lets just enjoy a moment of scoring a brilliant goal!

Hoy, Cavendish and now Wiggins....lets be proud of cycling in the UK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Tom375]

Well said Thirteen.....would that everyone was so magnanimous

My take on this was it was ironic could be wrong though...

Hoy, Cavendish and now Wiggins....lets be proud of cycling in the UK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Certainly a bit of a turn around 3 cyclists in 5 years the only other cyclist in 50 years was Tommy Simpson (i think).
Cycling has come from nowhere as a sport in Britain, it will never be one of the top 5 But it has come a long way in short period of time it's pretty amazing considering how desperate everyone was for a British tennis winner that Murray was beaten comprehensively by Wiggins.
I will put a footnote to this if it is shown that he was doped the embarrassment for the country will be immense. I see Cameron's already been on ****ter giving congrats.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I will put a footnote to this if it is shown that he was doped the embarrassment for the country will be immense. I see Cameron's already been on ****ter giving congrats.

Disagree to the bolded.