Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Benotti69]

DW, i think the "congrats" to Brailsford/Wiggins has to be read in a sarcastic light (the unnecessary use of the 'Sirs' certainly points to it)- it's "congrats for getting the good press" or "congrats for pulling walsh to the dark side", not actually well done for being open - and the line on wiggins and the band is basically a sarcastic "chapeau!"...

in which case it's maybe a little unnecessary. confirms the idea that Kimmage's mind is all but made up on Wiggins et al. So I guess it's up to Walshy now to see what he can dig up...

Kimmage and Walsh are good mates andno doubt talked since Walsh got back from mallorca, so would have had hear any intuitive thoughts Walsh might have had but not written and published.

Kimmage could be sincere or sarcastic. I am waiting to see which and not judging by a few tweets.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Personal attacks are not tolerated, Ryo (and you should know by now)

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how is that a personal attack? more an observation on my part

 

[Eshnar]

how is that a personal attack? more an observation on my part

stop those kind of "observations" then.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Kimmage has justifiable questions for Sky and they are questions that need to be answered, but his little Twitter tantrum make him look bitter and taking the whole thing too personally. I tweeted him as much too

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Kimmage is bitter. Where have I heard that before...

 

[thirteen]

Kimmage is bitter. Where have I heard that before...

and what twitter tirade? man, is this overblown.

 

[zalacain]

Take a look at who DB's new friends are.
Barcelona FC. Billy Beane who just created quite a stir in Baseball by hiring a player who hadn't completed his 50 match ban.
Zero tolerance mis cojones
http://x2t.com/199877

 

[taiwan]

Take a look at who DB's new friends are.
Barcelona FC. Billy Beane who just created quite a stir in Baseball by hiring a player who hadn't completed his 50 match ban.
Zero tolerance mis cojones
http://x2t.com/199877

It's like the bilderberg group of sport. Not a serious post, but the idea is distasteful imo.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Personal attacks are not tolerated, Ryo (and you should know by now)

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Congratulations on the...........promotion?

 

[thirteen]

okay, now Kimmage is having at it.

and it looks like he's learned to perfect his tweet technique

 

[MartinGT]

Some people in here need to read this:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8904906/daring-ask-ped-question

And yes Kimmage is having a go now

Go on Paul!

 

[coinneach]

Some people in here need to read this:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8904906/daring-ask-ped-question

And yes Kimmage is having a go now

Go on Paul!

There's a separate thread on this article from a couple of days ago (which has nothing to do with Sky in particular, anyway)

Calling out the disconnect:

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=19887

 

[thirteen]

And yes Kimmage is having a go now

Go on Paul!

is this a good cop, bad cop?

 

[Netserk]

All within the last 30 minutes:



Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

The genius of Sir David Brailsford (or what you didn't read yesterday in The Sunday Times)...

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

September 2009: Brailsford outlines his plans for Team Sky to win the Tour de France clean in five years. Roger Palfreeman, the BC team doc,

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

is a trump card. "It's one of the key things," he tells Jeremy Whittle of The Times. "We have Roger Palfreeman doing internal testing but...

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

we also work with the UCI and UK sport. We have a clear anti-doping strategy." March 2010: Palfreeman leaves BC. The media are not informed.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

June 7, 2010: Brailsford offers a journalist from The Sunday Times complete and unrestricted access to the team for the Tour de France.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

June 16 2010: The journalist spends four days with Bradley Wiggins at a Team Sky training camp in the Pyrenees.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

June 27 2010: An interview with Wiggins is published. Five days later, on the eve of the Tour in Rotterdam, Brailsford informs the journo...

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

...that complete and unrestricted access now comes with certain restrictions: No access to the team for the first week of the race...

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

...No access to Michael Barry for the duration of the race and some tap dancing on Palfreeman. Q: Do you have his number?

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

A: "No, he handed his BC phone back. If I can get hold of him I'll give him your number and he can call you."

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

July 3 2010: The journalist files a story about Barry, Palfreeman and Brailsford's surprise about-turn for the ST. It isn't published.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

(Sometime) 2010: The former Rabobank doctor, Geert Leinders, currently assiting an anti-doping inquiry in Belgium, joins Team Sky.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

May 2012: Leinders association with the team is questioned by fans on Twitter. July 11, 2012 - the first mention of Leinders in The Times.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

October 2012: Leinders "80-day-a year" (whatever that means) contract with Sky is not renewed.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

December 2, 2012: "CLEAN BREAKAWAY" - the first mention of Leinders in The Sunday Times.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Well he's asking the right questions, just perhaps on the wrong platform. That said other platforms look like they have been denied to him.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

All hail to the Paul!

Of course he is just a bitter man.

 

[Netserk]

Well he's asking the right questions, just perhaps on the wrong platform. That said other platforms look like they have been denied to him.

I agree that twitter isn't the optimal platform, but as you also say yourself, it's not like he has many others

 

[the asian]

Good work by Kimmage. keeping up the pressure on Twitter.

 

[thirteen]

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage Sky timeline:

The genius of Sir David Brailsford (or what you didn't read yesterday in The Sunday Times)…


September 2009: Brailsford outlines his plans for Team Sky to win the Tour de France clean in five years. Roger Palfreeman, the BC team doc,

is a trump card. "It's one of the key things," he tells Jeremy Whittle of The Times. "We have Roger Palfreeman doing internal testing but…

we also work with the UCI and UK sport. We have a clear anti-doping strategy." March 2010: Palfreeman leaves BC. The media are not informed.


June 7, 2010: Brailsford offers a journalist from The Sunday Times complete and unrestricted access to the team for the Tour de France.


June 16 2010: The journalist spends four days with Bradley Wiggins at a Team Sky training camp in the Pyrenees.


June 27 2010: An interview with Wiggins is published. Five days later, on the eve of the Tour in Rotterdam, Brailsford informs the journo…

...that complete and unrestricted access now comes with certain restrictions: No access to the team for the first week of the race…

...No access to Michael Barry for the duration of the race and some tap dancing on Palfreeman. Q: Do you have his number?

A: "No, he handed his BC phone back. If I can get hold of him I'll give him your number and he can call you."


July 3 2010: The journalist files a story about Barry, Palfreeman and Brailsford's surprise about-turn for the ST. It isn't published.


(Sometime) 2010: The former Rabobank doctor, Geert Leinders, currently assiting an anti-doping inquiry in Belgium, joins Team Sky.


May 2012: Leinders association with the team is questioned by fans on Twitter. July 11, 2012 - the first mention of Leinders in The Times


October 2012: Leinders "80-day-a year" (whatever that means) contract with Sky is not renewed.


December 2, 2012: "CLEAN BREAKAWAY" - the first mention of Leinders in The Sunday Times.


February 3, 2013: "NO HIDING PLACE: Battle for the credibility of cycling brings extraordinary offer from Dave Brailsford" appears in ST.

There is no mention that this offer has been made before. Or how Brailsford, and the newspaper, conducted themselves.


Bottom line: When they start applying the same standards to Team Sky as they did to Lance Armstrong, I'll start taking them seriously.

 

[SundayRider]

Ah just another 'bone idle lazy wa****' on Twitter.

 

[The Hitch]

I I'm sure he believed lance was clean

Then why did he say - i always knew he doped.?

:riddle me that

 

[SundayRider]

Yesterday posters like me were shot down for daring to criticise DWs articles in the ST.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Good work by Kimmage. keeping up the pressure on Twitter.

I'm sure sky are sh***ing their pants

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Then why did he say - i always knew he doped.?

:riddle me that

when did he say that?

 

[hrotha]

Then why did he say - i always knew he doped.?

:riddle me that

It's well established that Wiggo knew all about Lance's history in 2009, told by JV himself. We've been over that already, but Ryo doesn't read full threads.