Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[the asian]

I'm sure sky are sh***ing their pants

Probably too busy fooling Walsh to notice it

 

[MartinGT]

It's well established that Wiggo knew all about Lance's history in 2009, told by JV himself. We've been over that already, but Ryo doesn't read full threads.

Ah, the same Wiggo that compared himself to USPS? Why would you compare yourself with a known doping team?

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

Seems to be more of a rant against double standards by the Sunday Times. There is nothing in the tweets that hasn't already been raised on this forum, which is read by some of the MSM. It also seems that he is suspicious, quite rightly, but hasn't got any evidence.

DW is tweeting about some roadshows that him and PK are doing around the UK and Ireland, so it appears that they are still on good terms, despite PK's tweets.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Well he's asking the right questions, just perhaps on the wrong platform. That said other platforms look like they have been denied to him.

The reason? posted elsewhere:

"Kimmage can't be embedded with the Sky team anyway.

Zero tolerance on dopers you see."

Clever...........if you have a sense of humour.

For some reason, I can't see any of these new tweets, only yesterday's ones.
All that pressure too much for Twitter?

 

[MartinGT]

Walsh is on Murdoch's books correct? Why bite the hand that feeds. he isnt going to slag off Sky is he?

 

[Arnout]

@marcopinotti

“@gregorbrown: #Sky picks Tenerife camp, no PN Tirreno for classics prep " nothing new. Others class winner did if before: Ivanov, Iglinsky

Is Pinotti a sceptic?

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

Walsh is on Murdoch's books correct? Why bite the hand that feeds. he isnt going to slag off Sky is he?

Very true. But if he did find the "smoking gun" he doesn't seem to be the sort of person to keep it to himself. There are plenty other media outlets who would kill for that sort of story especially as it would reflect bad on Murdoch/The Times/Sky.

 

[hrotha]

I don't think Walsh would willingly cover up anything. My only concern is that he might not allow himself to see.

 

[thirteen]

For some reason, I can't see any of these new tweets, only yesterday's ones.
All that pressure too much for Twitter?

that's why i posted all of them further up the page.

if you click on his name, you only see yesterdays. if you click on his full profile, all should be available.

****

i believe it's a rant against ST, too, rather than Walsh... methinks Walsh has something up his sleeve, though, and Kimmage may be part of the plan.

good cop, bad cop can work exquisitely well.

 

[Benotti69]

I'm sure sky are sh***ing their pants

If they weren't they wouldn't be offering access to Walsh. They would be doing a OPQS or a Astana.

Seems Brendan Gallagher must have got a dogma6.2, that or he wants a job at a Murdoch venue.

 

[Mellow Velo]

that's why i posted all of them further up the page.

if you click on his name, you only see yesterdays. if you click on his full profile, all should be available.

****

i believe it's a rant against ST, too, rather than Walsh... methinks Walsh has something up his sleeve, though, and Kimmage may be part of the plan.

good cop, bad cop can work exquisitely well.

Ta.
All there now.
Busy boy.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Ta.
All there now.
Busy boy.

As I said he is saying the right things, just unfortunate it's on Twitter really, hence Ryo sneering at it

 

[horsinabout]

Walsh, ""I think Brailsford achieved the track medals clean", I hope Sky road team are clean, but that doesn't mean we stop watching...."

Walsh "we are in the new clean era"

Kimmage still questioning clean era....

Walsh working for a Murdock paper keeps his job...

Kimmage working for a Murdock paper gets made reduntant.

Am I the only one who see something obvious here...

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

@marcopinotti

“@gregorbrown: #Sky picks Tenerife camp, no PN Tirreno for classics prep " nothing new. Others class winner did if before: Ivanov, Iglinsky

Is Pinotti a sceptic?

One could come to that conclusion, the right conclusion that is.

 

[The Hitch]

methinks Walsh has something up his sleeve, though, and Kimmage may be part of the plan.

good cop, bad cop can work exquisitely well.

Noooo. Don't tip.the enemy off

 

[mastersracer]

Walsh, ""I think Brailsford achieved the track medals clean", I hope Sky road team are clean, but that doesn't mean we stop watching...."

Walsh "we are in the new clean era"

Kimmage still questioning clean era....

Walsh working for a Murdock paper keeps his job...

Kimmage working for a Murdock paper gets made reduntant.

Am I the only one who see something obvious here...

yes you are the only one. Questioning David Walsh's integrity is a new clinic low - even for you.

 

[peterst6906]

yes you are the only one. Questioning David Walsh's integrity is a new clinic low - even for you.

Maybe you missed that whole Walsh thread;

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=19673

 

[mastersracer]

Maybe you missed that whole Walsh thread;

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=19673

I saw it, but now it's about insinuations that he's compromised to gain access to Sky...

 

[horsinabout]

yes you are the only one. Questioning David Walsh's integrity is a new clinic low - even for you.

Glad to be of service, always the contrarian, and I don't mind being the first! Also can cope with being wrong...

 

[cineteq]

Glad to be of service, always the contrarian, and I don't mind being the first! Also can cope with being wrong...

You're not alone.

Who's going?
WHISTLEBLOWERS: David Walsh and Paul Kimmage in conversation with Alan English
http://limetreetheatre.ticketsolve.com/shows/873490827/events

 

[armchairclimber]

Perhaps PK should just have a snifter with DW and give him a list of questions he'd like to see addressed instead of shouting "Look at me" on twitter.

Perhaps he knows DW might refer him to his egg sucking Granny.

 

[MartinGT]

Walsh, ""I think Brailsford achieved the track medals clean", I hope Sky road team are clean, but that doesn't mean we stop watching...."

Walsh "we are in the new clean era"

Kimmage still questioning clean era....

Walsh working for a Murdock paper keeps his job...

Kimmage working for a Murdock paper gets made reduntant.

Am I the only one who see something obvious here...

No, hence the other posts.

Walsh is on Murdoch's pay roll and I dont think he would be shouting about it if he saw anything dodgy. He has seen his mate Kimmage get binned and doesnt want the same.

I don't think Sky would be so reckless though as to have blood bags hanging inside the team bus etc, however it does stink. Like someone said on Twitter, why all of a sudden the "transparcency" after XYZ have been binned. After the domination of Sky last season.

I for one cannot see SKy dominating this season like they did last year, it would be too obvious after the LA bust.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

All within the last 30 minutes:



Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

The genius of Sir David Brailsford (or what you didn't read yesterday in The Sunday Times)...

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

September 2009: Brailsford outlines his plans for Team Sky to win the Tour de France clean in five years. Roger Palfreeman, the BC team doc,

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

is a trump card. "It's one of the key things," he tells Jeremy Whittle of The Times. "We have Roger Palfreeman doing internal testing but...

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

we also work with the UCI and UK sport. We have a clear anti-doping strategy." March 2010: Palfreeman leaves BC. The media are not informed.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

June 7, 2010: Brailsford offers a journalist from The Sunday Times complete and unrestricted access to the team for the Tour de France.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

June 16 2010: The journalist spends four days with Bradley Wiggins at a Team Sky training camp in the Pyrenees.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

June 27 2010: An interview with Wiggins is published. Five days later, on the eve of the Tour in Rotterdam, Brailsford informs the journo...

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

...that complete and unrestricted access now comes with certain restrictions: No access to the team for the first week of the race...

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

...No access to Michael Barry for the duration of the race and some tap dancing on Palfreeman. Q: Do you have his number?

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

A: "No, he handed his BC phone back. If I can get hold of him I'll give him your number and he can call you."

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

July 3 2010: The journalist files a story about Barry, Palfreeman and Brailsford's surprise about-turn for the ST. It isn't published.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

(Sometime) 2010: The former Rabobank doctor, Geert Leinders, currently assiting an anti-doping inquiry in Belgium, joins Team Sky.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

May 2012: Leinders association with the team is questioned by fans on Twitter. July 11, 2012 - the first mention of Leinders in The Times.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

October 2012: Leinders "80-day-a year" (whatever that means) contract with Sky is not renewed.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

December 2, 2012: "CLEAN BREAKAWAY" - the first mention of Leinders in The Sunday Times.

All those "Sky are clean" fans banging on about PK not doing any investigative journalism.

...

Should thank their lucky stars he isn't.

Previously we were told PK was denied access as he is rough around the edges, which, whilst true, seems to have missed the, "No Michael Barry chats, No Palfreeman info" bits.

Thank your lucky stars PK isn't doing any investigations, lads, thank your lucky stars...

 

[ebandit]

well? there you go

Thank your lucky stars PK isn't doing any investigations, lads, thank your lucky stars...

but the pertinent question.............is not who is asking but ......what is

there to find out?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

No, hence the other posts.

Walsh is on Murdoch's pay roll and I dont think he would be shouting about it if he saw anything dodgy. He has seen his mate Kimmage get binned and doesnt want the same.

I don't think Sky would be so reckless though as to have blood bags hanging inside the team bus etc, however it does stink. Like someone said on Twitter, why all of a sudden the "transparcency" after XYZ have been binned. After the domination of Sky last season.

I for one cannot see SKy dominating this season like they did last year, it would be too obvious after the LA bust.

It depends - Brailsford thinks that he is the smartest man in the room. I don't think that they can or know how to ride clean. I think Brailsford thinks that if having got rid of Yates, etc if they continue to hack up like they did last year this will 'prove' that they must be clean. He also thinks that the doping program is i) smarter than the testing and ii) better than everyone elses even without Leinders, Yates, Rogers etc

Sky can only really lose based on last year - if they perform badly then it is 'because they are off the hot sauce', if they dominate then it is 'same old Sky always cheating'. Either way - it just draws more attention to themselves. It's not going to get better for them.