Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[martinvickers]

Looks like they wont bother with the year off

2:10 on the highlight reel.

The words that spring to mind were W, T & F.

No doubt Contador will 'recapture' his form - but all those rumours of contador 'fearing' froome seem a little less ridiculous now.

Doesn't look to me like Sky are scared of being busted, Walsh or no Walsh....

 

[BroDeal]

Looks like they wont bother with the year off

Looks like Sky is having a hard time keeping their lies straight. They seem to have forgotten that they announced that Froome had a relapse of Bloodopearzia and would take six months to recover. Froome is off message as well. Forgetting about reverse periodization is sort of like Armstrong forgetting about high cadence.

 

[Ferminal]

2:10 on the highlight reel.

The words that spring to mind were W, T & F.

No doubt Contador will 'recapture' his form - but all those rumours of contador 'fearing' froome seem a little less ridiculous now.

Doesn't look to me like Sky are scared of being busted, Walsh or no Walsh....

Pretty good, more fun when they put up a fight though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uT8DdEdhy0A#t=885s

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Pretty good, more fun when they put up a fight though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uT8DdEdhy0A#t=885s

Up 10%. Good grief.

 

[martinvickers]

Up 10%. Good grief.

Hell, even I watched that and laughed! I normally like my evidence cold and analytical - but it's hard to watch that video and not snort.

 

[thehog]

Pretty good, more fun when they put up a fight though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uT8DdEdhy0A#t=885s

Oh dear. I think the passport software just had a "stack overflow error"!

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Hell, even I watched that and laughed! I normally like my evidence cold and analytical - but it's hard to watch that video and not snort.

Indeed. Good to see that Wiggo was safely dieseling away in the bunch that day!

I wonder if that stage throws any light on what might have happened if the Froome-dog had been let off his leash in the Tour last year. There's plenty of evidence of an explosive kick up a steep hill, but little evidence that this can be sustained, leaving him vulnerable to a less explosive rider plodding his way back onto Froome's wheel within a few k.

 

[MartinGT]

Looks like Sky is having a hard time keeping their lies straight. They seem to have forgotten that they announced that Froome had a relapse of Bloodopearzia and would take six months to recover. Froome is off message as well. Forgetting about reverse periodization is sort of like Armstrong forgetting about high cadence.

When did this happen?

 

[coinneach]

Indeed. Good to see that Wiggo was safely dieseling away in the bunch that day!

I wonder if that stage throws any light on what might have happened if the Froome-dog had been let off his leash in the Tour last year. There's plenty of evidence of an explosive kick up a steep hill, but little evidence that this can be sustained, leaving him vulnerable to a less explosive rider plodding his way back onto Froome's wheel within a few k.

Well, you could say that about any rider who attacks, really.

The key is mental not physical, and its about timing not determination.

Froome is showing he's learning fast: Contador & Rodrigues could do well to adapt their natural talent to take account of the challenges he's going to give them.

(No sign of him missing Jullich in the car, so far, either)

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Well, you could say that about any rider who attacks, really.

The key is mental not physical, and its about timing not determination.

I only mentioned it re Froome given the claims made on his behalf that he could have won the Tour if not held back by team orders.

In general, there's no such thing as a free lunch and if you attack hard with 5k to go, you're going to suffer later on, unless you genuinely are superior to the opposition, in which case you just keep going!

Timing is key, as the explosive types can gain a few seconds by attacking close to the finish, leaving the diesels no time to chug their way back. If you attack too early, you expend a lot of energy for no gain.

 

[BroDeal]

When did this happen?

A couple of months ago. Froome's bloodopearzia comes and goes as is convenient. This blood disease excuse has happened so often it has become a joke now. I am waiting for Frrome to announce Chris Carmichael is his coach.

 

[thehog]

A couple of months ago. Froome's bloodopearzia comes and goes as is convenient. This blood disease excuse has happened so often it has become a joke now. I am waiting for Frrome to announce Chris Carmichael is his coach.

Yes for some reason he just keeps going to back to the country where he catches it from. Obviously his Tour de France prep is not important and he's wiling to get sick just to get some hard training in over winter then lay on his back for 6 weeks to recover.

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

Yes for some reason he just keeps going to back to the country where he catches it from. Obviously his Tour de France prep is not important and he's wiling to get sick just to get some hard training in over winter then lay on his back for 6 weeks to recover.

This seems to suggest he hasn't got it at the moment.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13422/Two-clear-targets-for-Chris-Froome-in-2013.aspx

 

[thehog]

This seems to suggest he hasn't got it at the moment.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13422/Two-clear-targets-for-Chris-Froome-in-2013.aspx

And this article from the end of January states he does:

"In terms of that illness, I actually went for a check 10 days ago and found out that I did have to repeat the treatment again," he said. "It means these big pills that basically poison you and kill everything in your stomach and I took that in the last week. I am feeling much better now and hopefully I am in the clear for another six months or so.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/25/chris-froome-team-sky-tour-de-france

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

And this article from the end of January states he does:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/25/chris-froome-team-sky-tour-de-france

Great post Hog.

I really have to start reading things properly. Saw that article but didn't notice the bit about the treatment. Still it appears that after taking the tablets he is back to normal within a week.

 

[thehog]

Great post Hog.

I really have to start reading things properly. Saw that article but didn't notice the bit about the treatment. Still it appears that after taking the tablets he is back to normal within a week.

No problems.

Yes, an amazing recovery. The wonders of modern science...

He probably shouldn't have let his GF post all those photos of him training hard in SA/Kenya all through December/January.

Appears he jailbreaks the passport as easily as it is to break iOS 6.

 

[coinneach]

Yes for some reason he just keeps going to back to the country where he catches it from. Obviously his Tour de France prep is not important and he's wiling to get sick just to get some hard training in over winter then lay on his back for 6 weeks to recover.

I have already explained to you that he does not catch it again: he will likely always have it in his system and it will flair up from time to time, requiring treatment. Perhaps you were away for a while, or just chose to ignore facts when they do not suit your positions.

This is the same for most people who are unlucky enough to suffer from the condition.

What is more interesting is to question whether the treatment ends up giving him a benefit: because his body keeps on making red blood cells it thinks it still needs to make up for what the parasite has consumed.

But the main benefit he has is spending childhood at altitude in Kenya. He is African and proud of it, so its not surprising he goes back there when its winter in Europe

 

[BroDeal]

I have already explained to you that he does not catch it again: he will likely always have it in his system and it will flair up from time to time, requiring treatment.

It just happens to flare up out of competition and go away just before races he has targeted.

But the main benefit he has is spending childhood at altitude in Kenya. He is African and proud of it, so its not surprising he goes back there when its winter in Europe

Could not possibly be because it is hard to get OCC tested down there.

 

[coinneach]

I just happens to flare up out of competition and go away just before races he has targeted.


Could not possibly be because it is hard to get OCC tested down there.

Have you see what the weather has been like in the UK this winter: I know where I'd rather be:

No, treatment lasts for longer than that: once a year seems to be his pattern for treatment just now, and I think he was treated in Dec/Jan which he is hoping will see him though the year. Certainly rubbish to suggest its just before a race he's targeted.


But given cycling history of Bad Blood, I do agree any treatment of blood raises suspicion. Not sure what he/Sky can do about that?

 

[mastersracer]

No problems.

Yes, an amazing recovery. The wonders of modern science...

He probably shouldn't have let his GF post all those photos of him training hard in SA/Kenya all through December/January.

Appears he jailbreaks the passport as easily as it is to break iOS 6.

if he's being treated with Praziquantel he'd have to do it somewhere outside Britain, since it's apparently not licensed there for human use. And it makes sense to get treatment in a region where bilharzia is frequently seen. Besides, it's not like SA/Kenya are beyond the reach of anti-doping visits.

 

[martinvickers]

if he's being treated with Praziquantel he'd have to do it somewhere outside Britain, since it's apparently not licensed there for human use. And it makes sense to get treatment in a region where bilharzia is frequently seen. Besides, it's not like SA/Kenya are beyond the reach of anti-doping visits.

To be honest, Kenya is all but beyond, as we have seen recently - south africa however, as far as i know, is easy enough to test in.

 

[Parker]

To be honest, Kenya is all but beyond, as we have seen recently - south africa however, as far as i know, is easy enough to test in.

In South Africa though, if testers turn up on your property univited you can just shoot them.

 

[thehog]

if he's being treated with Praziquantel he'd have to do it somewhere outside Britain, since it's apparently not licensed there for human use. And it makes sense to get treatment in a region where bilharzia is frequently seen. Besides, it's not like SA/Kenya are beyond the reach of anti-doping visits.

Human use? Froome is an alien. I'm sure UK law allows it to be prescribed to extra-terrestrials.

 

[Cyivel]

Human use? Froome is an alien. I'm sure UK law allows it to be prescribed to extra-terrestrials.

This is true, parliament passed a law last year allowing any drug to be used on extra-terrestrials.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

I have a huge amount of respect for Bassons and so when he speaks I take him seriously. And while you can read stuff into other riders comments (imo to the point of convincing yourself of something that isn't there) I think this interview makes interesting reading.

I am optimistic but the current situation isn’t good. In the peloton, it’s still going pretty quickly [smiles knowingly]. You don’t need muscles to go fast, apparently. That’s what we saw this year.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/christophe-bassons-where-the-war-on-drugs-is-going-wrong