Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Bala Verde]

One thing is for sure, back in 2011 not even Brailsford rated either Wiggins (BW- World Tour podium rider but on a downward trajectory) or Froome (CF - a 'borderline' rider)...

http://www.cyclesportmag.com/features/inside-the-mind-of-dave-brailsford/

Funny because today Sideways Froomedawg did

Froomey, new best time up Prati di Tivo



Prati di Tivo
2013:14,7 km@7,0%---38:22---average speed 22.99 km/h(Chris Froome)
---38:28---average speed 22.93 km/h(Mauro Santambroggio)
---38:33---average speed 22.88 km/h(Vincenzo Nibali)
---38:35---average speed 22.86 km/h(Michal Kwiatkowski)
---38:37---average speed 22.84 km/h(Horner-Contador)
---38:42---average speed 22.79 km/h(Rigoberto Uran)

2012:14,7 km@7,0%---38:56---average speed 22.65 km/h(Vincenzo Nibali)
---39:12---average speed 22.50 km/h(Kreuziger-Horner)

http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro

That CQ value chart I posted earlier can be read as a bloodprofile lol.

 

[The Hitch]

if my grandmother does 5.9 w/kg tomorrow will you believe it?

If she rides for Bailsford, of course. That guy is a genius.

 

[the sceptic]

But how come Sky's riders are evidently all in form, dope or no dope?
Whilst Saxo's riders are not?

Sky's may be better, but nevertheless I refuse to believe that "Sky's special programme" aided Michael Rogers that drastically etc

Rogers went from Dr Ferrari to donkey, then to Sky and now back to donkey again. Is it that hard to connect the dots?

 

[willbick]

i really dont see what is so remarkable about a rider improving so that they are capable of performing to a level eminently achievable by a clean athlete. there are a million reasons why a rider can improve to that level. what is not believable is when a rider improves to a level BEYOND what is achievable by a clean athlete (i.e. 6.x watts/kg).

 

[Ripper]

i really dont see what is so remarkable about a rider improving so that they are capable of performing to a level eminently achievable by a clean athlete. there are a million reasons why a rider can improve to that level. what is not believable is when a rider improves to a level BEYOND what is achievable by a clean athlete (i.e. 6.x watts/kg).

I've got a unicorn to sell you ...

 

[willbick]

6.5 watts/kg is unicorn territory , 5.9 watts/kg is not

 

[Froome19]

One thing is for sure, back in 2011 not even Brailsford rated either Wiggins (BW- World Tour podium rider but on a downward trajectory) or Froome (CF - a 'borderline' rider)...

http://www.cyclesportmag.com/features/inside-the-mind-of-dave-brailsford/

Do you know how many times this graph has been posted in this thread?

 

[The Hitch]

A 'Tour donkey', the sort of rider who, to use Wiggins' own words, 'lost an hour a day' in the mountains. Just as Armstrong did before he got on a full-blown, Ferrari managed Epo/ blood doping regime.

if Michael Phelps won the Tour would it be suspicious?

Of course not. He won frickin 18 gold medals.

 

[ferryman]

so basically you are saying that the best Rogers can do on a big mountain stage is to beat Griepel by 6 seconds??!!! this is hilarious

Unlike your trolling. Stop it or you are taking a break.

 

[Benotti69]

But how come Sky's riders are evidently all in form, dope or no dope?
Whilst Saxo's riders are not?

What makes you think the rest are not in form? Becuase Sky are making them look like they have no form? Well that questions Sky's ability to do that to teams with DS in the sport a long long time.

Sky's may be better, but nevertheless I refuse to believe that "Sky's special programme" aided Michael Rogers that drastically etc

Can you explain why Rogers was not doing a Sky performance for Contador? He could do it last year but not this?

To you Sky maintain really high paces in 2 big early season races is similar to the teams of Mapei and other big time EPO teams of the 90s and it because the others turned up with no form?

Today Kyrienka had the peloton stretched in a long line all the way into Nice. Even Harmon was commenting about his ability to keep it stringed out for so long.

They kept the pace so high in the Appenines so that Contador couldn't stay away. Read what Horner said and then read between the lines.

But Sky can do this magically clean against teams that we know doped!!!

This is the pro sport of cycling! Why do you all believe it has changed? There is nothing new in this sport. Still the corrupt nat feds, UCI, ASO, RCS, docs, DSs etc yet Sky can beat all those teams run by the likes of Ekimov, Unzue, Lefevere, Kim Andersen...........

 

[will10]

of course rogers is nowhere - just like he was nowhere when he was on the sky train. have u ever bothered to notice where Rogers finished stages when he was on the sky train? minutes back, coz he only could ride his *** off for like 2/3 of a climb and then he'd die and pull off and ride up the rest slowly

 

[del1962]

Unlike your trolling. Stop it or you are taking a break.

Sounds like you are making the mistake of differences of opinion for trollin.

 

[The Hitch]

Do you know how many times this graph has been posted in this thread?

Not that many, I only saw it for the first time yesterday.

But more to the point, what do you think when you see that graph (other than - that doesnt look good for my favourite rider in the whole wide world. Please dont post it again).

 

[maltiv]

One thing is for sure, back in 2011 not even Brailsford rated either Wiggins (BW- World Tour podium rider but on a downward trajectory) or Froome (CF - a 'borderline' rider)...

http://www.cyclesportmag.com/features/inside-the-mind-of-dave-brailsford/

Too bad Sky's "superior" approach to training doesn't work on naturally talented guys like Löfkvist or EBH (who were on the top of the chart here), who both have hardly improved at all since they signed with Sky in 2010.

Given what they have done with Froome, a guy with little to no natural talent, I'm really worried as to what will happen when a natural talent is put on the same program. That **** would be ridiculous. Imagine Henao on "Froome-sauce" for example - he'd break Pantani's record up Alpe d'Huez while riding backwards.

 

[will10]

blah blah - the day any sky rider gives an unnaturally high watts/kg performance i'll eat my hat

Did you read Bradley's book?

6.5 watts/kg is unicorn territory , 5.9 watts/kg is not. i guess yr too dumb to understand the science

Can you do 5.9w/kg?

 

[Froome19]

What makes you think the rest are not in form? Becuase Sky are making them look like they have no form? W

Because they got beaten by 41 year old Chris Horner

Can you explain why Rogers was not doing a Sky performance for Contador? He could do it last year but not this?

Because he is not in form.
Why not? Because he is not racing for Sky.

 

[Cyivel]

Sounds like you are making the mistake of differences of opinion for trollin.

Actually I think he is trolling, he went off in the Contador thread in the PRR section about him always cheating.

When you, Froome19 or Jimmy disagree I never think you are trolling, I have my doubts with him.

 

[the sceptic]

Because they got beaten by 41 year old Chris Horner


Because he is not in form.
Why not? Because he is not racing for Sky.

Sir Bjarne doesnt know anything about how to train obviously. And Rogers forgot everything he learned while at sky

 

[Pandora]

so basically you are saying that the best Rogers can do on a big mountain stage is to beat Griepel by 6 seconds??!!! this is hilarious

Why do you think so low of Greipel? Here is the general classification of Giro 2010, the last stage for both Froome and Greipel. After 2,5 weeks of racing Greipel was only 10 minutes slower than Froomey:

104 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Professional Cycling Team 2:25:03
116 Andre Greipel (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 2:35:27

 

[willbick]

if Michael Phelps won the Tour would it be suspicious?

Of course not. He won frickin 18 gold medals.

michael phelps is a swimmer. i hope this helps

 

[Bala Verde]

Because he is not in form.
Why not? Because he is not racing for Sky.

I bet Rogers' blood passport looks really suspicious (relative to last year's) right now.

 

[Froome19]

Not that many, I only saw it for the first time yesterday.

I was going to write a reply, but I have better stuff to do than let if fall on deaf ears.

I don't see what that graph proves whatsoever, I am delighted that some random journalist decided to come up with it and give the clinic some recyclable material but I really don't care what he says unfortunately.

 

[leon7766]

you're the embarrassment here dude. guess u just dont like British riders dominating

Mate you are wasting your time with these people. They twist everything to their distorted views they are the North Korea of forummers.Just pity them and laugh at their ever more shrill crying

 

[burning]

Funny because today Sideways Froomedawg did



That CQ value chart I posted earlier can be read as a bloodprofile lol.

He went from %3 hct to %49.9 hct

but he's obviously clean

 

[burning]

michael phelps is a swimmer. i hope this helps

Track and Road racing are very different two things actually, the only same feature is that you ride on two wheels