Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

To be fair Lance used to ride away from the cream of the crop in the ultimate race, Froome rode away from pretty much a bunch of nobodies, once, in a **** race.

Last year the course was flat at the Tour and no Contador.

This year the opposition are nobodies.

I'm sure the 2011 Tour winner might disagree with you!

 

[workingclasshero]

Oh and Froome clearly had the superior tactics. It's not like he was putting out much more watts than everyone besides Porte!

exactly, how fkin difficult is it to have the best tactics when you are the strongest (through doping or otherwise). Tacticzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[xrayvision]

Both trained way harder than everyone else. Even though they actually dont know how hard everyone else trains they know they themselves must train harder because everyone else is lazy and doesnt want to win.

HUH? Source?

You mean everybody else is not interested in winning? and therefor are lazy in training?
And how in Gods name do you know, how much they train harder than anyone else? Or are you referring to the revolutionary SKY training methods?

 

[Der Effe]

HUH? Source?

You mean everybody else is not interested in winning? and therefor are lazy in training?
And how in Gods name do you know, how much they train harder than anyone else? Or are you referring to the revolutionary SKY training methods?

Sarcasm?

 

[Cyivel]

HUH? Source?

You mean everybody else is not interested in winning? and therefor are lazy in training?
And how in Gods name do you know, how much they train harder than anyone else? Or are you referring to the revolutionary SKY training methods?

Your xrayvision didn't detect the sarcasm in that post?

 

[maxmartin]

HUH? Source?

You mean everybody else is not interested in winning? and therefor are lazy in training?
And how in Gods name do you know, how much they train harder than anyone else? Or are you referring to the revolutionary SKY training methods?

He is being sarcastic

 

[MartinGT]

Your xrayvision didn't detect the sarcasm in that post?

LOL

10 Char...

 

[will10]

Regardless of what is or is not going on at Sky, they don't do themselves any favours riding like that. That wasn't the seemingly defendable train tactics with a short attack at the end....that today was a massacre.

 

[Lanark]

Great ride by Rogers today, only 2.19 slower than last year. He is really getting into shape again.

 

[frenchfry]

David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST 12m

Impressive ride by Froome and Porte in Criterium International. Sky's tactics excellent, and though Froome won today, Porte is GT contender.

Who's he write for?

is "tactics" the new code word?

for Paris Nice it was "intelligent" racing.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Really? He's been pro for three years. If we scratch 2011 he has been pretty good indeed. A debut of 7th in the Giro* and Super domestique in 2012, all padded with pretty solid wins.

He was a very good TTer and a pretty good climber. And yes, now he's gone above very good climber

* Yes, he got a lot of free minutes, but even then he did manage to hang on.

That Giro as evidence of his being a very good climber has been debunked many times.

On Terminillo almost all the GC men came in together. Porte lost 26" on them and came in together with Wiggins. That's nothing too major.

But then he got the maglia rosa, and was up at the top. On the first mountain stage after that, a one climb stage over Monte Grappa, Nibali won; Basso, Scarponi and Evans came in at 23". Vino at 1'34". Then a large group came in at 2'25" containing peripheral GC contenders like Cunego and also most of the best climbers from the L'Aquila break - Sastre, Arroyo, Tondó. Even freaking Cioni and Gerdemann stayed in that group. Richie came in at 4'46. Just behind Chris Froome. Rigoberto Urán, who is now domestiquing for guys like Porte, came in at 3'01 after pacing Arroyo up the whole climb. So that's over 4 mins on the GC elites, and 2 minutes on guys like Gerdemann. OK. Let's move on.

Zoncolán... a true beast. Maybe Richie showed what a very good climber he can be here? Well, he managed 18th, which is pretty reasonable. It was nearly 6 minutes back from Basso, mind, and he was outclimbed by a guy now domestiquing at Sky (Cataldo), Dupont and even a past-his-prime Charlie Wegelius.

Kronplatz then, another mountain monster, this time against the clock, which should surely have suited Porte... and indeed it did! He improved his finishing position from the previous day to 17th, by beating vaunted super-climber Yuriy Trofimov by one second! He gave up 2'17 to Garzelli, but Garzelli had saved himself for the stage by riding easy the previous day, so the 1'35 to Evans is more appropriate to use as a guide.

How about Aprica then? Was that the stage where his climbing chops came to the fore? Once more he's improving his positions, to 14th! Still struggling to crack the 5 minute barrier though, finishing 5'31" back from the Scarponi/Nibali/Basso trio, and over 2 minutes behind the group with Arroyo, Evans, Vino, Sastre and Gadret. Porte's group is led home by Branislau Samoilau.

Tonale, then, surely this must have been the time? This stage would look to suit Richie better - a lower average percentage and more of a grinding climb than the super-steep slopes of the previous days. And indeed, he stays inside the 5 minute mark comfortably, losing only 1'42 on the stage winner (who was from the break), 1'26 from Evans and 1'17 from Basso and Scarponi! Drops down to 19th on the day, mind, with his mountain nemesis Yuriy Trofimov this time pipping him on the line.

So really, his performances as a mountain goat were not all that convincing in that Giro, and it was his performances in the time trials, in the chaos in Middelburg (when Evans, Kiserlovski, Cunego and Sastre lost 46", Pinotti lost 1'07", and the Strade Bianche (where he gained 18" on Nibali, 23" on Basso, 1'08" on Kiserlovski, 2'10" on Mollema, 2'33" on Cataldo, 3'38" on Sastre and Tondó) that gave him the position to defend, plus it was no doubt a help to his defence of his position that Cunego (who was 4th to Zoncolán) missed the L'Aquila break and that Kiserlovski had to work for Nibali and Basso.

That Giro showed a lot of promise in Richie Porte, but it was foremost as a time triallist and secondmost as a potential climbing helper. He was hanging on to the bunch throughout, it never indicated that obliterating the field was a possibility.

 

[Parrot23]

By the way, Sky didn't win the teams classification for Crit Int

Now, don't you go stirring up this ****fest with a pesky point like that. Detracting from the cosmic importance of today's events, are you?

Travesties against the universe like this are always good for a couple thousand more words & posts here.

Don't spoil the fun!



(P.S. You have to let the intellect-tools get to work here....)

 

[maxmartin]

Great ride by Rogers today, only 2.19 slower than last year. He is really getting into shape again.

Guess sky riders have no ideal what exactly they are taking, vitamin pills in the brown lunch bag

 

[roundabout]

It was also his first GT and he had been a pro for 4 months

 

[thehog]

That Giro as evidence of his being a very good climber has been debunked many times.

On Terminillo almost all the GC men came in together. Porte lost 26" on them and came in together with Wiggins. That's nothing too major.

But then he got the maglia rosa, and was up at the top. On the first mountain stage after that, a one climb stage over Monte Grappa, Nibali won; Basso, Scarponi and Evans came in at 23". Vino at 1'34". Then a large group came in at 2'25" containing peripheral GC contenders like Cunego and also most of the best climbers from the L'Aquila break - Sastre, Arroyo, Tondó. Even freaking Cioni and Gerdemann stayed in that group. Richie came in at 4'46. Just behind Chris Froome. Rigoberto Urán, who is now domestiquing for guys like Porte, came in at 3'01 after pacing Arroyo up the whole climb. So that's over 4 mins on the GC elites, and 2 minutes on guys like Gerdemann. OK. Let's move on.

Zoncolán... a true beast. Maybe Richie showed what a very good climber he can be here? Well, he managed 18th, which is pretty reasonable. It was nearly 6 minutes back from Basso, mind, and he was outclimbed by a guy now domestiquing at Sky (Cataldo), Dupont and even a past-his-prime Charlie Wegelius.

Kronplatz then, another mountain monster, this time against the clock, which should surely have suited Porte... and indeed it did! He improved his finishing position from the previous day to 17th, by beating vaunted super-climber Yuriy Trofimov by one second! He gave up 2'17 to Garzelli, but Garzelli had saved himself for the stage by riding easy the previous day, so the 1'35 to Evans is more appropriate to use as a guide.

How about Aprica then? Was that the stage where his climbing chops came to the fore? Once more he's improving his positions, to 14th! Still struggling to crack the 5 minute barrier though, finishing 5'31" back from the Scarponi/Nibali/Basso trio, and over 2 minutes behind the group with Arroyo, Evans, Vino, Sastre and Gadret. Porte's group is led home by Branislau Samoilau.

Tonale, then, surely this must have been the time? This stage would look to suit Richie better - a lower average percentage and more of a grinding climb than the super-steep slopes of the previous days. And indeed, he stays inside the 5 minute mark comfortably, losing only 1'42 on the stage winner (who was from the break), 1'26 from Evans and 1'17 from Basso and Scarponi! Drops down to 19th on the day, mind, with his mountain nemesis Yuriy Trofimov this time pipping him on the line.

So really, his performances as a mountain goat were not all that convincing in that Giro, and it was his performances in the time trials, in the chaos in Middelburg (when Evans, Kiserlovski, Cunego and Sastre lost 46", Pinotti lost 1'07", and the Strade Bianche (where he gained 18" on Nibali, 23" on Basso, 1'08" on Kiserlovski, 2'10" on Mollema, 2'33" on Cataldo, 3'38" on Sastre and Tondó) that gave him the position to defend, plus it was no doubt a help to his defence of his position that Cunego (who was 4th to Zoncolán) missed the L'Aquila break and that Kiserlovski had to work for Nibali and Basso.

That Giro showed a lot of promise in Richie Porte, but it was foremost as a time triallist and secondmost as a potential climbing helper. He was hanging on to the bunch throughout, it never indicated that obliterating the field was a possibility.

If that "break" never existed most wouldn't know who he is. His claim to fame would be fetching bottles for Contador.

Basically he's Froome in dawgs clothing. Started late, good in smaller obscure races like the Tour of Tasmania but nothing special.

A good rider but really mid pack solid.

If someone told me 2010 that one day Porte and Froome would be 1-2 in a GT I'd say "who"?

At least Lance was a strong bullish rider when he was young.

This is just ridiculous.

Put a call through to Hein - "not normal".

 

[Parrot23]

HUH? Source?

You mean everybody else is not interested in winning? and therefor are lazy in training?
And how in Gods name do you know, how much they train harder than anyone else? Or are you referring to the revolutionary SKY training methods?

ROFLMAO, clearly, the Devil is a dour fellow. Not much of a sense of humour.

Looks like Hitch is in fine form, though.

 

[cineteq]

Regardless of what is or is not going on at Sky, they don't do themselves any favours riding like that. That wasn't the seemingly defendable train tactics with a short attack at the end....that today was a massacre.

How much better, percentage wise, were they today? Anybody?

How much left in the tank for Froome?

 

[xcleigh]

If that "break" never existed most wouldn't know who he is. His claim to fame would be fetching bottles for Contador.

Basically he's Froome in dawgs clothing. Started late, good in smaller obscure races like the Tour of Tasmania but nothing special.

A good rider but really mid pack solid.

If someone told me 2010 that one day Porte and Froome would be 1-2 in a GT I'd say "who"?

At least Lance was a strong bullish rider when he was young.

This is just ridiculous.

Put a call through to Hein - "not normal".

Question the performance, absolutely, but just a small point, when did the Criterium International become a Grand Tour?

 

[Parrot23]

LOL

10 Char...

XRay is an intellect-tool.

 

[thehog]

Question the performance, absolutely, but just a small point, when did the Criterium International become a Grand Tour?

Put the call through to Hein.

Get it stopped.

Get them in to explain their blood results.

Thanks.

 

[the sceptic]

Question the performance, absolutely, but just a small point, when did the Criterium International become a Grand Tour?

Of course the tour will be different, sky peaked too early Today the competition was bad/out of shape/lazy. Dawg and Porte were only doing 5.9 w/kg and Kiryenka was only doing 450 watts for an hour. Nothing to see here.

 

[xcleigh]

Put the call through to Hein.

Get it stopped.

Get them in to explain their blood results.

Thanks.

What's next for GT status, Wiggle Tour of the Peak?

 

[WildspokeJoe]

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Originally Posted by zalacain View Post
David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST 12m

Impressive ride by Froome and Porte in Criterium International. Sky's tactics excellent, and though Froome won today, Porte is GT contender.
tactics" the new code word?

for Paris Nice it was "intelligent" racing.

I was thinking the same thing.

I guess by 'tactics' Walsh means Kiryienka go full guns at the bottom of the climb then Froome attack from the front (I thought it was tactically wise to attack from behind - apparently not) and Porte counter once everyone's matches are spent.

Earlier I thought it would be near impossible for SKY to win all three GTs. I'm beginning to rethink that position.

 

[Parrot23]

What's next for GT status, Wiggle Tour of the Peak?

+! Ha, ha! The winner gets a framed pickle (henceforth to be called Picklehead of the Year, with a green jersey)

Commemorates the very grave travesties against the universe that were involved.

 

[zalacain]

You say that, but Aimar Olaizola wins pretty much everything in that.

He knows how to celebrate
http://www.eitb.com/es/videos/detal...n-aimar-olaizola--olaizola-gana-cuatro-medio/