Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[mikehammer67]

the british media go to town on celebrity types

im struggling to see where they expose drug cheats or savage them

dont they normally back them in their fight against bans

christie modahl rusedski ohuorugu

 

[SeriousSam]

Tactics? Sky. The team with the worst tactics in sport history. Who announce before every single race exactly what they are going to do and it's always the same tactic and never deviate from it. Who lost the vuelta with the best rider and blew themselves up at their own onlympics to not even make the top25.
Are you mad?

Ok, you've listed some of the failures but what about their successes. A particularly nifty tactic they sometimes use is riding at a sustained power output no one else can deal with!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Ok, you've listed some of the failures but what about their successes. A particularly nifty tactic they sometimes use is riding at a sustained power output no one else can deal with!

Something they copied from Fabian Cancellara, no doubt. Too bad their classics riders are struggling to emulate it...

 

[xcleigh]

Tactics? Sky. The team with the worst tactics in sport history. Who announce before every single race exactly what they are going to do and it's always the same tactic and never deviate from it. Who lost the vuelta with the best rider and blew themselves up at their own onlympics to not even make the top25.
Are you mad?

Have to say though, that tactic (control, control, control) has worked pretty well on a few occassions and Sky have won a couple of stage races utilising it. Lost a few races lately though so maybe it's lost it's effectiveness and certainly doesn't work in the chaotic maelstrom of the 1 day classics. The British team also used the same tactic to good effect to bag Cavendish his stripes. The Olympics, well not quite so good.

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

Please show me a single story where a successful British athlete - ie one currently winning / dominating - has ever been scrutinised / questioned / had eyebrows raised in British media.

Just one.

Linford Christie. Eyebrows raised certainly. His lack of involvement in the sport after he retired is notable as well, i.e. I think UK athletics think he doped but can't prove it.

 

[veganrob]

Eddie the Eagle?

Not sure about Eddie either. Kinda hard to look him in the eye and ask him those hard questions the Brit media ask their star athletes. COuld you imagine Eddie calling us all bone idle ****ers and ****s. Classic.

 

[mikehammer67]

christie got a 2 yr ban

kid gloves treatment in press

 

[RownhamHill]

Linford Christie. Eyebrows raised certainly. His lack of involvement in the sport after he retired is notable as well, i.e. I think UK athletics think he doped but can't prove it.

Off the top of my head, didn't Lawrence Dallaglio get taken down by a tabloid drugs sting, when he was captain of a very successful England rugby team?

 

[mikehammer67]

Off the top of my head, didn't Lawrence Dallaglio get taken down by a tabloid drugs sting, when he was captain of a very successful England rugby team?

drug dealing
not the same

 

[The Hitch]

Ok, you've listed some of the failures but what about their successes. A particularly nifty tactic they sometimes use is riding at a sustained power output no one else can deal with!

That's not a tactic. It's being a million miles better than everyone. Absolutely no other team when they hit the front drops 90% of the peloton but none of their own riders.

Explain to me what tactical element is there in that?

It's like saying Cav is the best tactician in cycling because he had this amazing tactic of riding as fast as he can in the last 300m.

 

[armchairclimber]

The British media were scathing about Christie, certainly about Chambers, plenty of cynicism about Ohorugo and Ferdinand. There has been plenty written in the British press questioning the hiring of Dirty Gertie too.
I don't read enough in depth about tennis but if Murray is found to be using PEDs then he is toast.
There is an entire raft of the British media that would like nothing better than to stick it to Team Sky....but they can't until they have enough evidence.

Yes, there's a certain amount of reveling in the fact that GB riders are performing well in road cycling but that won't prevent the press going for Sky if there are positive tests. If there is a doping programme, sooner or later a weak link will spill the beans...someone will end up bitter enough.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Please show me a single story where a successful British athlete - ie one currently winning / dominating - has ever been scrutinised / questioned / had eyebrows raised in British media.

Just one.

Paul Gascoigne
David Beckham

 

[Dear Wiggo]

It's like saying Cav is the best tactician in cycling because he had this amazing tactic of riding as fast as he can in the last 300m.

Pretty sure Cav's tactic tends to be crossing the finish line before anyone else.

 

[armchairclimber]

Pretty sure Cav's tactic tends to be crossing the finish line before anyone else.

You just made me laugh.

 

[thehog]

Paul Gascoigne
David Beckham

I think you misread the question.

"Winning or dominating"

Those two were not "winning or dominating"

Red carding and drinking/kebabing is why the media turned on those two.

 

[The Hitch]

The British media were scathing about Christie, certainly about Chambers, plenty of cynicism about Ohorugo and Ferdinand. There has been plenty written in the British press questioning the hiring of Dirty Gertie too.
I don't read enough in depth about tennis but if Murray is found to be using PEDs then he is toast.
There is an entire raft of the British media that would like nothing better than to stick it to Team Sky....but they can't until they have enough evidence.

Yes, there's a certain amount of reveling in the fact that GB riders are performing well in road cycling but that won't prevent the press going for Sky if there are positive tests. If there is a doping programme, sooner or later a weak link will spill the beans...someone will end up bitter enough.

You don't actually believe what you just wrote.

do you?

Murray toast if he is found with steroids? Hmm what's the name of that left handed British Canadian who tested positive. Only the main tennis analyst for the grand slams on both eurosport and sky sports.

People sceptical of Ferdinand. Ohurugu? Who. Outside the clinic. Someone linked an article about Ferdinand from some journo saying Rio didn't dope but should be responsible for his wherabouts and the comment section was filled with outrage towards the journo at best and death threats at worst.

And leinders? Who in the UK has mentioned him. Even the articles about Rasmussen when lienders was the centre of attention said right at the end of the articles that he only worked briefly for sky who fired him.

chambers wasn't a winner. Far easier to.scapegoat.

 

[armchairclimber]

There is a problem there though Hog, given that we scarcely ever win or dominate anything at all, examples may be hard to come by.

It's why we're all so giddy and goddam forgiving of our Wiggo. That and because he's clean.

 

[armchairclimber]

You don't actually believe what you just wrote.

do you?

Murray toast if he is found with steroids? Hmm what's the name of that left handed British Canadian who tested positive. Only the main tennis analyst for the grand slams on both eurosport and sky sports.

People sceptical of Ferdinand. Ohurugu? Who. Outside the clinic. Someone linked an article about Ferdinand from some journo saying Rio didn't dope but should be responsible for his wherabouts and the comment section was filled with outrage towards the journo at best and death threats at worst.

And leinders? Who in the UK has mentioned him. Even the articles about Rasmussen when lienders was the centre of attention said right at the end of the articles that he only worked briefly for sky who fired him.

chambers wasn't a winner. Far easier to.scapegoat.

You need to read more Hitch.

 

[del1962]

The British Media is quite happy to go after a top sports star, just look at Ryan Giggs's problems recently, we do however have libel laws, so to break a drugs story their has to be a thing we call evidence, or you may get sued, in Britain we do kind of need evidence to convict people, it must be one of our faults

 

[MartinGT]

The British media were scathing about Christie, certainly about Chambers, plenty of cynicism about Ohorugo and Ferdinand. There has been plenty written in the British press questioning the hiring of Dirty Gertie too.
I don't read enough in depth about tennis but if Murray is found to be using PEDs then he is toast.
There is an entire raft of the British media that would like nothing better than to stick it to Team Sky....but they can't until they have enough evidence.

Yes, there's a certain amount of reveling in the fact that GB riders are performing well in road cycling but that won't prevent the press going for Sky if there are positive tests. If there is a doping programme, sooner or later a weak link will spill the beans...someone will end up bitter enough.

Seriously?

 

[Netserk]

Was anybody really aware of Geert Leinders?

I'd guess Flecha and Hayman were.

 

[Benotti69]

Linford Christie. Eyebrows raised certainly. His lack of involvement in the sport after he retired is notable as well, i.e. I think UK athletics think he doped but can't prove it.

"Christie tested positive for the stimulant Pseudoephedrine at the 1988 Seoul Olympics"

Christie is a coach and trains some British sprinters.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

I think you misread the question.

"Winning or dominating"

Those two were not "winning or dominating"

Red carding and drinking/kebabing is why the media turned on those two.

Yeah David Beckham was part of the tripple winning Man Utd team. Not dominating at all

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

I'd guess Flecha and Hayman were.

Has Flecha or Hayman been associated with anything yet?

 

[spalco]

John Terry didn't have a nice time with the media, but yeah, racism and celebrity gossip is different from doping.