oldcrank said:I have sounded ridiculous for quite a while now.
Fixed that for you
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oldcrank said:I have sounded ridiculous for quite a while now.
Zam_Olyas said:This made me LOL
Orla Chennaoui @SkyOrla 2 May
Asked Cavendish for fav Giro memory: "Getting dropped with Wiggins in 2008. We were in the Grupetto now he wants to win the thing." Classic.
Benotti69 said:I think Orla missed the sarcasm from Cavendish.
heart_attack_man said:I think this is a little bit 'poor-form'. By continuing to take this out of context, you're deluding not just yourself, but trying to mislead others.
The actual quote is this:
Some 86 per cent of Tour de France winners since Tommy Simpson’s death have been tarnished or implicated by doping. There is nothing to suggest that Bradley Wiggins achieved yesterday’s historic victory through anything other than talent and hard work. But at this time of glory, why does Team Sky leave itself open to insinuation by employing Leinders?
Here’s the question again: Was this Tour de France clean? Here’s the tragedy: I don’t know if the public’s answers would have changed since 2006.
You can see when it's in context that it has a different flavour about it and if you don't agree with that, then I pity you.
I can also make a quote out of context if you'd like:
'Team Sky leaves itself open to insinuation by employing Leinders'.
hiero2 said:Pity me all you like - but I have to agree that both sentences can stand on their own - they don't need to be together, and putting them together doesn't particularly change the meaning of either one. Particularly when you note that Kimmage, being someone who makes his living with words, still says "there is nothing . . ." IN SPITE of his closing sentence about Leinders!
You can read meanings in between the lines all you want - but you'd have to go back to the horse's mouth to get something more solid.
Dear Wiggo said:Disagree. English is far more subtle than that.
"I don't mean to insult you, but - "
You know what's coming right? Yes. An insult.
"There's nothing to make me think Wiggins did this with 'assistance'. But - "
At least, that's my take on it.
He's shed a ton of upper body muscle since then.Zam_Olyas said:This made me LOL
Orla Chennaoui @SkyOrla 2 May
Asked Cavendish for fav Giro memory: "Getting dropped with Wiggins in 2008. We were in the Grupetto now he wants to win the thing." Classic.
Dear Wiggo said:Disagree. English is far more subtle than that.
"I don't mean to insult you, but - "
You know what's coming right? Yes. An insult.
"There's nothing to make me think Wiggins did this with 'assistance'. But - "
At least, that's my take on it.
Zam_Olyas said:This made me LOL
Orla Chennaoui @SkyOrla 2 May
Asked Cavendish for fav Giro memory: "Getting dropped with Wiggins in 2008. We were in the Grupetto now he wants to win the thing." Classic.
goggalor said:He's shed a ton of upper body muscle since then.
red_flanders said:What evidence is there of that? Lost so much weight as to,go from the grupetto to winning it. Did he lose 40lbs?
northstar said:Followed up with:
charlie orr @charliejorr
@SkyOrla And it’s all been done with Marginal Gains #flyingpig
Orla Chennaoui @SkyOrla
@charliejorr Unless you have evidence to the contrary, I’m afraid that’s libellous #justsaying
Sky reporter Orla seems to be super sensitive or maybe she doesn't like pigs.
red_flanders said:What evidence is there of that? Lost so much weight as to,go from the grupetto to winning it. Did he lose 40lbs?
goggalor said:He's shed a ton of upper body muscle since then.
Zam_Olyas said:I think she likes pink floyd .. on a serious note i think she is a sky fangirl.
goggalor said:He's shed a ton of upper body muscle since then.
There is nothing to suggest that Bradley Wiggins achieved yesterday’s historic victory through anything other than talent and hard work. But
taiwan said:...is the relevant quote. If you thought this means the same as "There is nothing to suggest that Bradley Wiggins achieved yesterday’s historic victory through anything other than talent and hard work.", you would fail English GCSE.
@martinvickers it's clearly not a statement of full confidence in Wiggins. It's written with careful ambiguity. It's not even as positive as "they're clean but they've made themselves look dodgy" as you say, because he entreats the reader to draw their own conclusions about the hiring of Leinders and the credibility of the race. For the total casual fan, it introduces doubt. Let's not kid ourselves, if this was a pro Wiggins article it would be about how Kerrison has taught him to eat and drink during a bike race and he gained 50W.
Benotti69 said:I think Orla missed the sarcasm from Cavendish.