Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[mikehammer67]

I said the sport would be dead in Britain .Most of those countries seem to admire dopers British people don't

I did say Millar whom I don't think should represent his country .Also they aren't known in Britain by more than the hardcore cycling fans


If you love cycling why wont you give Sky the chance .Everything they do says they are clean

Olympic legend Linford Christie sprinkled some gold dust over the opening of the first-ever Wythenshawe Games.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...s/olympic-legend-linford-christie-gets-691541

 

[leon7766]

A quick review of the arguments supporting Sky's Grand Tour squad is doping and the UCI is assisting with the cheating like they did with Armstrong:

-Never in the history of cycling, pre-EPO has a rider "learned to climb" later in their carrer turning them into a grand tour podium win.
-Never in the history of cycling, pre-EPO has a rider "learned to time trial" into later career TT dominance.
-Froome and Wiggo have both transformed in unnatural ways that remind the doubters of Armstrong. This includes a return to historic norms within the year. AKA 'zero to hero'
-Ridiculous reasons given for performance summarized as marginal gains. Another Armstrong legacy.
-Sky hides out on Tenerife, a known doping haven.
-The weight loss is extreme and enormously suspect and totally consistent with known peptide doping protocols.
-Identical organization to USA Cycling and USPS. Most of BC is directly involved in the Sky program including the head of BC as part of the organization that runs the Pro Team.
-Pat's slip about visiting the winners of the 2012 TdF when the race wasn't finished.
-Amazing coincidence that the dominance is timed EXACTLY to the London games and more recently, ASO's bid for the Tour of Britain.
I'll leave out the long list of sketchy staff, including hiring Rabo's doping doctor.

Mere words that can easily shown to be dreamt up by people who spend their days wishing they could achieve something .I don't mean that personally

People doubt the fact of Aliens, Big foot or Nessie yet are convinced the Trade centre was an inside job .It just proves my point

 

[leon7766]

thats right.

everything except

except winning
except being a protour team

you are right tho, everthing except those things indicate they may well be clean.

You are correct everything points to cleanliness

 

[Benotti69]

Closed minds this is what Im up against .

My belly doesn't look good in a sports top and to be honest they cant be doing a good job selling them because I have never seen one

So you admit to being deaf too. History lesson time. Well Brailsford back in 2010 showed journalists a 'tome' of Zero tolerance policy' for Sky's anti doping. He said they were going to do it clean, transparent and different then what went before. Well then they hired doping riders, Mick Barry to name but 1. Then they hired a doping doctor, after stating they would hire doctors from outside cycling, Leinders. They also hired Yates, Jullich and lots of others tainted by doping. That ol 'tome' of 'zero tolerance policy' must have got lost in all the empty medicine packets and phials of 'marginal gains' i guess.

Ah well, same old same old teams.

 

[leon7766]

stiff upper lip
___________dont tremble
_____________________dont dope

Glory days that have been bought back by British cycling and Sky

 

[leon7766]

Olympic legend Linford Christie sprinkled some gold dust over the opening of the first-ever Wythenshawe Games.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...s/olympic-legend-linford-christie-gets-691541

Look at Linford Christie e was a national treasure .Now he is insignificant

 

[ChewbaccaD]

What Armstrong from a country with a long history of doping who rode in an era when everyone seems to have doped

Chewbacca meet the truth

Tom Simpson, look him up. Then get back to me about your history.

leon7766 meet reality.

 

[hrotha]

Blackcat is most likely right about this one.

 

[burning]

I agree with leon and all of his posts, Sky will save this sport for sure

 

[ebandit]

wtf

wtf...........if team sky are doping it has nothing to do with nationality

.............but corporate greed............demanding success for funding

and that chariots of fire crap is fiction

Mark L

 

[thehog]

He told teamsky.com: "As always the team selection is a management decision and it will be evidence-based.

"However it is crucial there is clarity of purpose and for that reason we will go to the Tour with one leader.

"Taking that into consideration and given Chris' step up in performances this year, our plan, as it has been since January is to have him lead the Tour de France team."

Late last month, Wiggins said: "As the years have gone on I've thought that maybe I'm capable of this now.

"Two years ago I never would have even imagined trying to win the Giro because it was always about trying to win the Tour or trying to get on the podium at the Tour.

"It's just seeing what you're capable of doing with each year that goes past. It's just an exploration of what you can do each year."

Must have been worried about the Dawg going Full ***.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...eam-sky-into-tour-de-france-2013-8605032.html

 

[Semper Fidelis]

wtf...........if team sky are doping it has nothing to do with nationality

.............but corporate greed............demanding success for funding

and that chariots of fire crap is fiction
Mark L

What???? The????? ****????

That movie made we weap. Now your trying to tell me it is all hogwash?
That movie had me at "I believe God made me for a purpose, but he also made me fast. And when I run I feel His pleasure."



Back to kings of leon. I like that song Radioactive.

 

[horsinabout]

Hog you beat me to it...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/22426361

Who ever would have thunk it?

 

[horsinabout]

wtf...........if team sky are doping it has nothing to do with nationality

.............but corporate greed............demanding success for funding

and that chariots of fire crap is fiction

Mark L

The WCPP was all about demanding success for funding.

 

[mattghg]

Well, well, there is confirmation of my crackpot theory UCI is picking winners in the name of "growing cycling."

Um, no it isn't.

 

[BroDeal]

"Two years ago I never would have even imagined trying to win the Giro because it was always about trying to win the Tour or trying to get on the podium at the Tour.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...eam-sky-into-tour-de-france-2013-8605032.html

Two years ago it was "always about trying to win the Tour..." Always???

Wow. The skinheads ain't got nuthin' on Wiggins when it comes to historical revisionism. From Wiggins' account you might think he spent a decade trying to win the big one instead of struggling to crack the top ten in stage races' ITTs then doing jack squat for the rest of the stages.

 

[mikehammer67]

they've definitely chosen chris froome to win the tour de france then

that's that sorted then


has someone told pat maquaid so he can announce it in advance and maybe the bookies should know too

 

[martinvickers]

A quick review of the arguments supporting Sky's Grand Tour squad is doping and the UCI is assisting with the cheating like they did with Armstrong:

-Never in the history of cycling, pre-EPO has a rider "learned to climb" later in their carrer turning them into a grand tour podium win.
-Never in the history of cycling, pre-EPO has a rider "learned to time trial" into later career TT dominance.
-Froome and Wiggo have both transformed in unnatural ways that remind the doubters of Armstrong. This includes a return to historic norms within the year. AKA 'zero to hero'
-Ridiculous reasons given for performance summarized as marginal gains. Another Armstrong legacy.
-Sky hides out on Tenerife, a known doping haven.
-The weight loss is extreme and enormously suspect and totally consistent with known peptide doping protocols.
-Identical organization to USA Cycling and USPS. Most of BC is directly involved in the Sky program including the head of BC as part of the organization that runs the Pro Team. The body in charge of enforcing the rules has a stake in the success of its team.
-Pat's slip about visiting the winners of the 2012 TdF when the race wasn't finished.
-Amazing coincidence that the dominance is timed EXACTLY to the London games and more recently, ASO's bid for the Tour of Britain.
I'll leave out the long list of sketchy staff, including hiring Rabo's doping doctor.

This nonsense again, dirty Works? You know, when you keep doing this, it's hard to give you the benefit of the doubt...

AS for the other points, some of them are quite good; but I would say that given in 99 attempts we've never seen a tour we can vouch as clean; we can have no idea what would happen on a tour that happened to be clean - therefore the never before arguments don't hold any water, because you are comparing to a permanantly doped peleton - you have no proper control group with which to make a comparison...

 

[Benotti69]

they've definitely chosen chris froome to win the tour de france then

that's that sorted then


has someone told pat maquaid so he can announce it in advance and maybe the bookies should know too

La Vie Claire did something similar with LeMond and Hinault. Astana did it with Contador and Wonderboy. I'll expect more of the same back stabbing from Wiggins.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Um, no it isn't.

This time I didn't use the right word. I agree it's not proof as it cannot be disproven. What it is however is someone posting an observation I have been advocating all along. Sport viewership grows in direct proportion to countrymen and women collecting prestigious wins.

Martin, we know for a fact the UCI did not open a positive case against 2009(?) Armstrong positive samples. Prior to that, he was given an exemption to rejoin the elites just because he was Wonderboy. Why would they do that? Because it attracted viewers.

Why is it so hard to believe it was in the UCI's best interests to have a British podium during the London games? They did it for Armstrong to attract more viewers. What would stop them doing it again in 2012?

 

[DirtyWorks]

but I would say that given in 99 attempts we've never seen a tour we can vouch as clean; we can have no idea what would happen on a tour that happened to be clean

I disagree with this. One can reference at least 50 years of Grand Tour podiums.

Pre-EPO, the doping was steroids, prior to that, stimulants and pain killers. Even with steroids, the effects were nothing like oxygen vector doping especially in a grand tour.

IMHO, sometime near the end of Lemond's career is a fuzzy line where oxygen vector PEDs define a Grand Tour podium.

 

[mattghg]

Sport viewership grows in direct proportion to countrymen and women collecting prestigious wins.

Agreed. Who would dispute that?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Agreed. Who would dispute that?

The dispute is making the leap to the UCI enabling Team Sky to dominate the TdF and then the Olympics through suppressing any meaningful dope testing results. Just like Armstrong in circa 2009. Both grew interest/viewership.

 

[melkemugg]

La Vie Claire did something similar with LeMond and Hinault. Astana did it with Contador and Wonderboy. I'll expect more of the same back stabbing from Wiggins.

I dont think they dope anymore, i just think they agree who is going to win according to the drama script some hollywood chap is writing.

 

[mattghg]

The dispute is making the leap to the UCI enabling Team Sky to dominate the TdF and then the Olympics through suppressing any meaningful dope testing results.

Agreed again. But since no-one disputes that viewership in a country increases when that country has successful riders, it's not evidence in favour of the 'leap' to find someone who started watching because a compatriot started winning races.