Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

You lost me there. With this statement you are showing that you are just trolling.

That's my new signature, right there!

 

[Taxus4a]

Touche. But scratch away and you will find that no serious poster on here takes Pantani seriously. But, when Froome does the Alpe in 38 come back and remind us all about that nonsense.

If Sastre could do it in 39:29 in a solo attack, a SKY MTT could do it as well, even less, but it depends a lot of things... I think he will do it in 40, with a lot of people close, or even better.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

If you refer to me, what means skybot?

If you are not the same guy from the spanish forum it would be stunning...

 

[gooner]

Yeah i was wondering why someone from Spain would be such an annoying skybot. Seems like his spelling has improved lately as well

Such a bait post characterisng people who are less suspicious of Sky as "skybots". In the end you're no better yourself than the trolls that you accuse others of being.

 

[Avoriaz]

So, which side of the coin is he going to land on?

David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST 13h At end of Tour I'm going to write a piece for ST that will deal with the question of doping. By then I will have spent ten weeks with team.

And why after the Tour?

 

[Ferminal]

Hopefully he uses it to elaborate on his "it's harder for GT riders to dope" theory.

 

[maxmartin]

So, which side of the coin is he going to land on?



And why after the Tour?

He is already part of the SKY propaganda machine.

 

[Wiggo Warrior]

Give me a break, yeah right the whole Britain does not have a single good sport doctor? The SKY has to hire a Leider who is related to almost Tour champion Rasmussen. Only idiots will buy those plausible explanations from SKY.

Of course they do, Sky employs several of them from other sports and always has.

Sky originally set out with a determination to employ only non-cycling doctors for precisely this reason. They employ four doctors at a time and have since the team was started in 2010, all of them on a part time basis until they last year took on their first full time doctor, Alan Farrell who is still supported by three part time doctors when race programmes require more than one. I don't know how long a contract is for these various part time doctors, some seem to take time out of existing practices for a six month contract and for some it is multiple years.

Hiring Leinders or any cycling doctor was a mistake due to the history of the sport and they knew it. As far as I can tell it was the riders who after the Vuelta felt they needed support from someone who understood the demands of a three week race and they started interviewing.

In all likelihood Leinders will have done at Sky exactly what he was employed to do. At Rabobank he was employed as Management/Coach/Doctor/Doper and at Sky he was a part time doctor who attended races. He said himself his role at Sky was 'minimal'. He worked 111 days in two years all at races as far as we can tell sorting out saddle sores and injuries and handed out the occasional caffeine pill, paracetamol, Strepsils and sunscreen according to all the evidence we have, photographic or otherwise. I may have this wrong but races these days are not supposed to be where the majority of doping will occur.

It is of course possible that he is a Ferrari style guru trying to make a name for himself and on his own time persuaded some of the Sky riders to dope or was persuaded by them to set up a program for them, which he is still supporting despite his legal troubles. If he is it has apparently backfired spectacularly as he is now as notorious as Ferrari with it seems none of the benefits of a successful business.

It is also possible that this mysterious doping mastermind, if there is one, is someone else entirely and the attention on Leinders is giving them a free rein to do as they like, explaining perhaps if doping is going on at Sky why results carried on improving this year after Leinders was ousted last May.

 

[ToreBear]

I just want you to like me.

Is that too much to ask?

Ah, all your posts make sense now.

Here have a big Hug:

So, which side of the coin is he going to land on?



And why after the Tour?

He is from the British Isles, working for a Murdoch owned newspaper. It seems obvious to me:

He needs to remove all the bugs he has planted before he can write anything for sure.

What better way to make sure, than live with them, tap their phones, bedrooms, bikes etc?

Simples

 

[Benotti69]

So, which side of the coin is he going to land on?


David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST 13h At end of Tour I'm going to write a piece for ST that will deal with the question of doping. By then I will have spent ten weeks with team.



And why after the Tour?

10 weeks? Does an hour and a half interviewing Froome count as 1 week?

 

[Taxus4a]

You lost me there. With this statement you are showing that you are just trolling.

I have explain that before, three post before.
They didnt wanted people know a lot about Leinders becouse they doped, it is a question of reputation, but they wanted anyway, why? I have writte about.
It is just a possibility as you ponts others, I dont know the truth. Are you sure of your truth?

Imagine you have a friend that has a bad reputation becouse had stolen petrol, and he is know about that... well, you have a lorry company, you use petrol.. but that friend is very good in mecanisks, and he is very good in some advantage your lorry has, and you dont know other companies know that advantage, legal advantage. (but this last part is even not necessary, imaghine just he is a good mechanic, and there are not a lot of mechanics to hire)

You hire that man, but try people dont know a lot about his life, becouse they could thing you hire that man to stole petrol...

If you think that opinion is trolling... what can I said, ask before what I mean if you dont Know.

I could consider that people that dont read and point others as trolls are they trolls.

 

[blackcat]

Ah, all your posts make sense now.

Here have a big Hug:




He is from the British Isles, working for a Murdoch owned newspaper. It seems obvious to me:

He needs to remove all the bugs he has planted before he can write anything for sure.

What better way to make sure, than live with them, tap their phones, bedrooms, bikes etc?

Simples

National Security Agency

 

[blackcat]

10 weeks? Does an hour and a half interviewing Froome count as 1 week?

what, and you will look into his eyes, with some jedi bruyneel mind trick, and discern if he is telling you the truth. cos basso was telling the truth to johan.

<eyes rolling emoticon thingy. sorry david, you betrayed us>

 

[Taxus4a]

Of course they do, Sky employs several of them from other sports and always has.

Sky originally set out with a determination to employ only non-cycling doctors for precisely this reason. They employ four doctors at a time and have since the team was started in 2010, all of them on a part time basis until they last year took on their first full time doctor, Alan Farrell who is still supported by three part time doctors when race programmes require more than one. I don't know how long a contract is for these various part time doctors, some seem to take time out of existing practices for a six month contract and for some it is multiple years.

Hiring Leinders or any cycling doctor was a mistake due to the history of the sport and they knew it. As far as I can tell it was the riders who after the Vuelta felt they needed support from someone who understood the demands of a three week race and they started interviewing.

In all likelihood Leinders will have done at Sky exactly what he was employed to do. At Rabobank he was employed as Management/Coach/Doctor/Doper and at Sky he was a part time doctor who attended races. He said himself his role at Sky was 'minimal'. He worked 111 days in two years all at races as far as we can tell sorting out saddle sores and injuries and handed out the occasional caffeine pill, paracetamol, Strepsils and sunscreen according to all the evidence we have, photographic or otherwise. I may have this wrong but races these days are not supposed to be where the majority of doping will occur.

It is of course possible that he is a Ferrari style guru trying to make a name for himself and on his own time persuaded some of the Sky riders to dope or was persuaded by them to set up a program for them, which he is still supporting despite his legal troubles. If he is it has apparently backfired spectacularly as he is now as notorious as Ferrari with it seems none of the benefits of a successful business.

It is also possible that this mysterious doping mastermind, if there is one, is someone else entirely and the attention on Leinders is giving them a free rein to do as they like, explaining perhaps if doping is going on at Sky why results carried on improving this year after Leinders was ousted last May.

Excellent.
It is a pleasure to be in a forum with such forum members as I reading these days.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Hiring Leinders or any cycling doctor was a mistake due to the history of the sport and they knew it. As far as I can tell it was the riders who after the Vuelta felt they needed support from someone who understood the demands of a three week race and they started interviewing.

Except it happened in the first 3-5 days, not over the span of 3 weeks. So no, I don't buy that explanation.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Of course they do, Sky employs several of them from other sports and always has.

Sky originally set out with a determination to employ only non-cycling doctors for precisely this reason. They employ four doctors at a time and have since the team was started in 2010, all of them on a part time basis until they last year took on their first full time doctor, Alan Farrell who is still supported by three part time doctors when race programmes require more than one.

Let's just assume this claim is based in fact for a minute. Someone who believes the Sky myth needs to explain to me why FOUR doctors are needed. Are saddle sores terribly complicated these days? Hmm? Please be specific.

In all likelihood Leinders will have done at Sky exactly what he was employed to do. At Rabobank he was employed as Management/Coach/Doctor/Doper and at Sky he was a part time doctor who attended races.

Uh huh. Okay. Did Ferrari need to be present regularly to set up training/dosage schedules?

If he is it has apparently backfired spectacularly as he is now as notorious as Ferrari with it seems none of the benefits of a successful business.

Hold on. We're supposed to believe that once a doping designer's reputation to observers becomes sufficiently negative, then athletes just stop going to said doper? You have to pretend REEEAAALLLLLYY hard to believe that.

if doping is going on at Sky why results carried on improving this year after Leinders was ousted last May.

Because the UCI is not enforcing anti-doping rules on team Sky. How exactly? I don't know. You want proof, right? Lance Armstrong and the 7x myth required the UCI's cooperation. Which should fire off some questions about Cookson and the UCI Management committee in another thread.

Meanwhile, <COUGH>SKY's grand tour team<!!COUGH> is skinny like never seen before in 100 years of cycling and there's no test for AICAR. Which, no surprise, makes an athlete skinny among a number of other benefits. No, in fact it's pan y agua, right?

 

[the sceptic]

David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST

At end of Tour I'm going to write a piece for ST that will deal with the question of doping. By then I will have spent ten weeks with team.

Let me guess. He saw nothing suspicious, sky are very professional in their approach to cycling. the peloton is much cleaner these days, the only ones that still dope are riders from obscure nations that dont have access to the groundbreaking training of team sky.

 

[Bannockburn]

Let me guess. He saw nothing suspicious, sky are very professional in their approach to cycling. the peloton is much cleaner these days, the only ones that still dope are riders from obscure nations that dont have access to the groundbreaking training of team sky.

Throw in the word "revolutionary" somewhere and you've got it.

 

[Granville57]

David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST

At end of Tour I'm going to write a piece for ST that will deal with the question of doping. By then I will have spent ten weeks with team.

The problem lies not in the "questions of doping" but in the answers.

I have to wonder which way Walsh will lean in this regard.

 

[veganrob]

Throw in the word "revolutionary" somewhere and you've got it.

If he can use the words revolutionary and marginal in the same sentence and make it not sound stupid then he is a better writer than I thought.

 

[Benotti69]

what, and you will look into his eyes, with some jedi bruyneel mind trick, and discern if he is telling you the truth. cos basso was telling the truth to johan.

<eyes rolling emoticon thingy. sorry david, you betrayed us>

Walsh: Come in. Sit down.

Froome: Care if I talk? I'm kind of nervous when I do interviews.

Walsh: Uh, just please don't move.

Froome: Oh, sorry. I already had an IQ test this year, I don't think I've ever had one of these-

Walsh: Reaction time is a factor in this, so please pay attention. Now, answer as quickly as you can.

Froome: Sure.

Walsh: One-one-eight-seven at Unterwasser.

Froome: That's the hotel.

Walsh: What?

Froome: Where I live.

Walsh: Nice place?

Froome: Yeah, sure I guess-- that part of the interview?

Walsh: No, just warming you up, that's all.

Froome: Oh. It's not fancy or anything.

Walsh: You're on a col, riding along in the heat when all of the sudden-

Froome: Is this the test now?

Walsh: Yes. You're on a col, riding along in the heat when all of the sudden you look down-

Froome: What one?

Walsh: What?

Froome: What col?

Walsh: It doesn't make any difference what col, it's completely hypothetical.

Froome: But how come I'd be there?

Walsh: Maybe you're racing, maybe you want to be pro cyclist, who knows? You look down and you see a teamamate, Chris, it's crawling towards you-

Froome: Teammate, what's that?

Walsh: Know what a man is?

Froome: Of course.

Walsh: Same thing.

Froome: I've never seen a teammate behind me before -- But I understand what you mean.

Walsh: You reach down, you flip the teammate over on its back Chris.

Froome: Do you make up these questions, Mr. Walsh, or do they write them down for you?

Walsh: The teamate lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun beating its legs trying to turn itself over but it can't, not without your help, but you're not helping.

Froome: What do you mean I'm not helping?

Walsh: I mean, you're not helping. Why is that Chris? -- They're just questions, Chris. In answer to your query, they're written down for me. It's a test, designed to provoke an emotional response. -- Shall we continue?

Describe in single words, only the good things that come in to your mind about... your mother.

Froome: My mother?

Walsh: Yeah.

Froome: Let me tell you about my mother...

 

[blackcat]

yeah ^

thats the mind trick. some parallel bizarro worlds we inhabit innit inuit

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Hiring Leinders or any cycling doctor was a mistake due to the history of the sport and they knew it. As far as I can tell it was the riders who after the Vuelta felt they needed support from someone who understood the demands of a three week race and they started interviewing.

You mean Roger Palfreeman had no experience for a three week race?
Guess BMC are full of nutters to contract him.

http://books.google.nl/books?id=zDn...X&ei=2-LDUf6oMqmc0wXKmYCABg&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBDge

This nation is a great nation of spectators, of fans. In Britain we enjoy sport and we enjoy winning. If we can start creating some real heroes and get out there and perform really wel and win ... sure its ambitious. But people like ambition.

How does one create heroes?

 

[Benotti69]

How does one create heroes?

You need a disease that you have beaten then you win and then hero status is bestowed upon thee.

 

[JRTinMA]

Doper or not aside, Wiggins is an embarrassment to the yellow jersey.

Sir Bradley Wiggins suggests he may never ride Tour de France again

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/201...ns-never-ride-tour-de-france-again?CMP=twt_gu