Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Eshnar]

Rogers had heath problems last autumn, he was out even with SKy. He has take his time to come back at a high level, but this year he has been second in California and seventh in Dauphiné, and he will improve.

That is not to be nobody. Rogers has a very good career results, except in 2011 cause a mononucleosis.

Rogers was perfectly fine during the last Tdf and I don't think he ever climbed that well in his career.

 

[Taxus4a]

Astana clean? are you sniffing cheap glue again?

Is it this kind of expresion allowed in the forum.
It is just a question, but anyway quite an asseveration, I like to make this kind of expressions, so if it allowell I will do it.

I think most of the peletoon is clean. I know Dyachenko, Aru and Seeldrayers enough to understand his dominance in Austria with his current rivals.

Dominance is possible in a clean cycling or clean sport.

But yes, if I have to point a team that for me today is supicious, Astana would be one of them, maybe the most. But that is just suspicious.

Anyway, if they dope, it is not going to be like the time before, not the same level of doping.

 

[martinvickers]

Bad news. Geraint " It doesn't matter if Lance doped, let him keep his rep and his titles" Thomas retires from the Tour so we cant see just how far that newfound climbing form would have taken him.

The man has a broken @rse, for goodness sake! How the hell's he gonna climb?

**** or not, doped or not, thats a nails bit of riding today. A broken @rse! Sweet jesus, I couldn't ride with a sprained wrist!

 

[LaFlorecita]

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/01/sport/cycling-armstrong-doping-walsh/index.html?hpt=isp_t3

Yea because sky are really going to dope their riders when walsh is standing right next to them watching over their shoulders

 

[Eshnar]

Is it this kind of expresion allowed in the forum.
It is just a question, but anyway quite an asseveration, I like to make this kind of expressions, so if it allowell I will do it.

as a joke they are allowed. Ofc jokes must be used with moderation

 

[gooner]

Yea because sky are really going to dope their riders when walsh is standing right next to them watching over their shoulders

That's true but what I would say back to that is why did people get up in arms over Kimmage not being allowed to follow them for the entire Tour in 2010. I seem to remember around here it being said that having Kimmage or Walsh embedded would add some credibility to what they are doing. Yet I see now the same ridiculing Walsh's time around them.

My own position is pretty much the same. I see nothing either to say there is a team wide doping program. I think if there is something going on, it's more done on a individual basis or a small pocket of riders than on a collective across the board team basis.

I maybe wrong and I say all this with no certainty of course but on the information I see that's where I stand at the moment.

 

[Taxus4a]

Rogers was perfectly fine during the last Tdf and I don't think he ever climbed that well in his career.

In a time when the perfomances in the climbs were better, he was climbing with the best in Suisse and other important races, and he was one of the strongerst and favourites to win the tour 2007 before he crash in that breakaway with Rassmusen (Rassmusen was leader later when he had to leave the Tour)

he has, of course, a suspicious era, likely he doped as a lot of people then, but that suspicious time for me it is not SKY.

About Saxo, he is improving after his heath problems, but anyway, compared to SKY, Rogers said in a recent interview they have still some catch up to do.

 

[the sceptic]

Astana clean? are you sniffing cheap glue again?

Taxus thinks everyone is clean, until they get caught. Then he knew they were doping all along.

 

[Eshnar]

In a time when the perfomances in the climbs were better, he was climbing with the best in Suisse and other important races, and he was one of the strongerst and favourites to win the tour 2007 before he crash in that breakaway with Rassmusen (Rassmusen was leader later when he had to leave the Tour)

He never was a favourite... not even a second tier. The fact that he was on a breakaway on stage 8 says it all. Yes Rasmussen was with him but he was no favourite either at that moment. And it's not exactly like Rogers demonstrated he could have challenged him.

 

[Taxus4a]

Taxus thinks everyone is clean, until they get caught. Then he knew they were doping all along.

No.

Now I think most of them are clean, in the past I didnt thought that, nor before nor after they been caught.

 

[Taxus4a]

He never was a favourite... not even a second tier. The fact that he was on a breakaway on stage 8 says it all. Yes Rasmussen was with him but he was no favourite either at that moment. And it's not exactly like Rogers demonstrated he could have challenged him.

yes, he was a second tier.

Well, you are right, he was not consider one favourite, but I was in a forum where some prestigious members said he was one of the possible winners, and...that day he was climbing at the level of Rassmusen, demostrated later best climber of that Tour, Rogers was best time trialist than Rasmusen, so, take your own conclusions.

I am sure he would be at least in the fight with that joung Contador, Evans, an Levi.

If Rogers wasnt doped that time, he is one of the strongers riders of the bunch.. and he is not, nor now nor with SKY ( I think in the Tour there were about 15 riders stronger than him, despite the crash, the absences, etc...), so I think he doped, but anyway, I dont know.

 

[Taxus4a]

Taxus thinks everyone is clean, until they get caught. Then he knew they were doping all along.

You think, even if never is caught, everybody is doped , your nick say that..

I use to be quite sceptic in a lot of aspect of life and about the world in general, the truth is quite different that how we see that, but cycling now, it is one of the few exceptions.

 

[SeriousSam]

You think, even if never is caught, everybody is doped , your nick say that..

I use to be quite sceptic in a lot of aspect of life and about the world in general, the truth is quite different that how we see that, but cycling now, it is one of the few exceptions.

Agreed. I'm getting so tired of all this baseless cynicism in the clinic. To all the cynics, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you can't believe in miracles. This is a great sporting event and hard work wins it.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Agreed. I'm getting so tired of all this baseless cynicism in the clinic. To all the cynics, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you can't believe in miracles. This is a great sporting event and hard work wins it.

Didn't the same guy who said that later say that it is impossible to win the TdF without doping?

 

[zastomito]

To all the cynics, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you can't believe in miracles.

You couldn't write this kind of stuff...

 

[Catwhoorg]

Didn't the same guy who said that later say that it is impossible to win the TdF without doping?

Not is, but was.

 

[leon7766]

Another two weeks and still nothing

 

[Libertine Seguros]

yes, he was a second tier.

Well, you are right, he was not consider one favourite, but I was in a forum where some prestigious members said he was one of the possible winners, and...that day he was climbing at the level of Rassmusen, demostrated later best climber of that Tour, Rogers was best time trialist than Rasmusen, so, take your own conclusions.

I am sure he would be at least in the fight with that joung Contador, Evans, an Levi.

If Rogers wasnt doped that time, he is one of the strongers riders of the bunch.. and he is not, nor now nor with SKY ( I think in the Tour there were about 15 riders stronger than him, despite the crash, the absences, etc...), so I think he doped, but anyway, I dont know.

You "think" a guy who was at the Freiburg Clinic in 2006 and who has been explicitly named in a legally binding document by a peer as having been utilising Michele Ferrari as a sporting coach - at the time that said doctor was banned from acting as a medical professional - alongside Kashechkin, Leipheimer and Vinokourov, might have doped?

I guess in your book you "think" Michael Rasmussen might have doped too?

 

[Clausfarre]

Agreed. I'm getting so tired of all this baseless cynicism in the clinic. To all the cynics, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you can't believe in miracles. This is a great sporting event and hard work wins it.

Well played.

 

[JimmyFingers]

You "think" a guy who was at the Freiburg Clinic in 2006 and who has been explicitly named in a legally binding document by a peer as having been utilising Michele Ferrari as a sporting coach - at the time that said doctor was banned from acting as a medical professional - alongside Kashechkin, Leipheimer and Vinokourov, might have doped?

I guess in your book you "think" Michael Rasmussen might have doped too?

LS you have frequently questioned the lack of the emergence of Kennaugh as a genuine GC talent since he was originally touted as the great white hope of Sky. Just heard an interview with him where he says he has been building for 3 years toward the Olympic gold, which him included only twenty days of racing last year.

You have often cited him lack of success as a raised eyebrow over Sky's performance, so though it was telling, his frankness. Since he is now focused on the road not track (oof, deja entendre) he's made the TdF squad, not an inconsiderable acheivement. Got spanked by Stannard, Millar and Cav in the nationals though.

 

[Taxus4a]

You "think" a guy who was at the Freiburg Clinic in 2006 and who has been explicitly named in a legally binding document by a peer as having been utilising Michele Ferrari as a sporting coach - at the time that said doctor was banned from acting as a medical professional - alongside Kashechkin, Leipheimer and Vinokourov, might have doped?

I guess in your book you "think" Michael Rasmussen might have doped too?

I think, I cant be sure at all, I d bet yes, but no more.

I am sure Pantani doped, Lance doped, Ullrich doped (although I didnt see them doing), my dear Mayo doped, but I am not sure with others, to be sure is another thing, cyclist deserve respect in that way, becouse all that evidence you say, it a big evidence, of course is evidence, but not a total proof, it could be an explanation for all of that, people talks about SKy without evidence, but yes, with Rogers, I will be very surprising if he didnt dope in the past. With SKY, I think they gets the best of him, but no dope.

And maybe he is out of SKy for that and both parts lie about. Cycling has always surprising me, for good and for bad things, and something as a team lying to put out a ciclist for his doping past is today not surprising for me, but it would be quite amazing, anyway.

 

[Taxus4a]

Agreed. I'm getting so tired of all this baseless cynicism in the clinic. To all the cynics, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you can't believe in miracles. This is a great sporting event and hard work wins it.

I didnt believe in Lance when he talked about miracles, I have and scientific degree, and I believe in science, and SKy take advantage of legal science. doping is science as well.

A miracle is that a man like Pantani, with 40,7 hematocric in March 1998, could win the Giro two months later (he did second), without doping.

But miracles doesnt exist, exist science, Pantani took advantage of science, an hormone, EPO, SKy take advantage of science as well, like Pantani, but with others things, legal things: tecnologhy, marginal gaings, etc...

But the rest of the teams are doing now the same, so that advantage would be minimal soon, they will have some advantage as they have more money, and that is something very good to take advantage, with ilegal things, but with legal more... before, EPO wasnt so expensive, everybody could buy it, but now, to go to Tenerife two times a year, with all your staff, to have the best bikes, to use helicopter... that is something that no all riders can afford, just the best teams.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I didnt believe in Lance when he talked about miracles, I have and scientific degree, and I believe in science, and SKy take advantage of legal science. doping is science as well.

A miracle is that a man like Pantani, with 40,7 hematocric in March 1998, could win the Giro two months later (he did second), without doping.

But miracles doesnt exist, exist science, Pantani took advantage of science, an hormone, EPO, SKy take advantage of science as well, like Pantani, but with others things, legal things: tecnologhy, marginal gaings, etc...

But the rest of the teams are doing now the same, so that advantage would be minimal soon, they will have some advantage as they have more money, and that is something very good to take advantage, with ilegal things, but with legal more... before, EPO wasnt so expensive, everybody could buy it, but now, to go to Tenerife two times a year, with all your staff, to have the best bikes, to use helicopter... that is something that no all riders can afford, just the best teams.

I help you with the English - you are Skyintist.

 

[BroDeal]

I didnt believe in Lance when he talked about miracles, I have and scientific degree, and I believe in science, and SKy take advantage of legal science. doping is science as well.

A miracle is that a man like Pantani, with 40,7 hematocric in March 1998, could win the Giro two months later (he did second), without doping.

But miracles doesnt exist, exist science, Pantani took advantage of science, an hormone, EPO, SKy take advantage of science as well, like Pantani, but with others things, legal things: tecnologhy, marginal gaings, etc...

But the rest of the teams are doing now the same, so that advantage would be minimal soon, they will have some advantage as they have more money, and that is something very good to take advantage, with ilegal things, but with legal more... before, EPO wasnt so expensive, everybody could buy it, but now, to go to Tenerife two times a year, with all your staff, to have the best bikes, to use helicopter... that is something that no all riders can afford, just the best teams.

Did you write this yourself or is there an English-to-Borat translator somewhere?

 

[the sceptic]

shouldnt that be "exist doesnt miracles"