Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[kingjr]

Talking about Walsh, here is a little interview with him, form this morning i think.

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/vide..._verslagen/MV_130707_TDF_Rit9_Interview_Walsh

 

[Chaddy]

If I was the other teams I'd stage a go slow protest. Just ride at 20km p/h. Let Sky ride away and win every stage. Let them fill the top 8 positions in every category. They will show ASO!

Because all the other teams are squeaky clean?

 

[Marco Pantani]

Lol, Sky acting big time. Porte dropped.........allright

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Remember in the 2011 Vuelta there were reports almost every day in the mountains of Froome being dropped, but he'd make it back and be strong enough to kill everybody on the final climb. We don't yet know if Porte is play-acting, regrouping, or if he really did go too far yesterday and has paid for his arrogance.

 

[lemoogle]

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/blazin-saddles/people-not-just-accept-sky-better-070313961.html

Makes sense to me.

I am so tired of these "The competition was just weak" arguments ( anyway , if pre-sky days were considered doping days as sky would like everyone to believe, then this is by far the strongest field competing in a TdF in the sky era ). We're not even talking about relative performance here, the time and performance of froome exceeds all but 2 EPO era times.

The fact that all the other GC riders are now considered weak and were having so much on the climb does not make froome clean. What it tells me is how tough and how fast they went through the first HC climb rendering Froome's (and porte''s) performance even more ridiculous.

Even if Froome climbed l'alpe in 37 minutes we would still get articles like this and fanboys rallying behind those arguments.

What is much worse though , is the number of people rallying behind the training arguments .

Stuff like this on twitter.

@DavidWalshST as Froome said yesterday the nay sayers should have been in SA Dec/Jan to see how hard & LONG he trained. He's doing it clean

 

[The Hitch]

Did Aso have a conversation with Bailsford yesterday lol.

Maybe the other teams decided to bring back the old days.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/blazin-saddles/people-not-just-accept-sky-better-070313961.html

Makes sense to me.

that blog comes from sky's version of ligget. he already posted this before i saw once about how sky revolutionized science and anyone who asks if they are doping is anti science.

The simple response to this is that 3rd point from the SOS article. - anyone who doesn't question what they saw is chauvinistic to the extreme.

 

[whittashau]

Sky realize they've gone too far already and they need to take drastic actions to make this even somewhat believable

 

[happychappy]

Sky train completely de-railed. Choo choo! Team wide doping? Bull**** - unless they're playing the most blatant game of rope-a-dope (pun intended) in history.
Looks like you nerds are going to have to focus your hatred on someone else soon if this continues.

 

[roundabout]

Evil doperz.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Sky train completely de-railed. Choo choo! Team wide doping? Bull**** - unless they're playing the most blatant game of rope-a-dope (pun intended) in history.
Looks like you nerds are going to have to focus your hatred on someone else soon if this continues.

Nothing that happens today will change the extraterrestrial ride by Porte and Froome that we saw yesterday.

 

[hrotha]

Sky train completely de-railed. Choo choo! Team wide doping? Bull**** - unless they're playing the most blatant game of rope-a-dope (pun intended) in history.
Looks like you nerds are going to have to focus your hatred on someone else soon if this continues.

This doesn't erase what happened yesterday. Or during the rest of the season. Or in 2012.

Many possible explanations for why a perfectly prepared rider might fail completely on a given day.

 

[happychappy]

Many possible explanations for why a perfectly prepared rider might fail completely on a given day.

I'm not saying DA DAWG isn't doping. But what's the reason for the entire team failing completely if they're all on a team-wide doping program? Which is exactly what the blow-hards in here claim on a daily basis.

You make a hard effort, you pay for it the next day. If they're all on ET super dope, you'd expect them to recover a little better than this. Suppose we'll have to see where the rest of the team end up at as we cross the finish line.

 

[The Hitch]

So we are all supposed to forget what happened to Landis?

 

[The Hitch]

I'm not saying DA DAWG isn't doping. But what's the reason for the entire team failing completely if they're all on a team-wide doping program? Which is exactly what the blow-hards in here claim on a daily basis.

Whats the reason for Froome riding as fast as Armstrong if he isn't doping.

And how fast do you believe Froome could have ridden yesterday if he did get put on a doping programme?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I'm not saying DA DAWG isn't doping. But what's the reason for the entire team failing completely if they're all on a team-wide doping program? Which is exactly what the blow-hards in here claim on a daily basis.

You make a hard effort, you pay for it the next day. If they're all on ET super dope, you'd expect them to recover a little better than this. Suppose we'll have to see where the rest of the team end up at as we cross the finish line.

Remember the infamous T-Mobile Vuelta stage when everybody got ill?

Sky have been incredibly lucky in terms of healthy riders given that riders as thin as they are ought to be susceptible to illness. Maybe it's hit at the wrong time, and sadly they let Leinders go so they don't have anybody who can treat cycling-specific illness anymore.

 

[hrotha]

I'm not saying DA DAWG isn't doping. But what's the reason for the entire team failing completely if they're all on a team-wide doping program? Which is exactly what the blow-hards in here claim on a daily basis.

Very few people think "team-wide doping" means literally everyone in the team is on it. There's usually a cadre of riders who are deemed to be trustworthy enough and to have the potential to benefit from it, at least post-Festina and post-Puerto.

 

[fruit bars with eyes]

I'm not saying DA DAWG isn't doping. But what's the reason for the entire team failing completely if they're all on a team-wide doping program? Which is exactly what the blow-hards in here claim on a daily basis.

the more team-wide/ organized the programme- the more likely to fail as a group on any particular stage ? just a suggestion from a blow hard ..

 

[Netserk]

David Walsh:

David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST 1m

Remember in '99 we knew EPO in widespread use and it was undetectable. More than that its use was sanctioned by UCI 50% Haematocrit limit.


David Walsh David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST 1m

Regarding overall question: anyone who thinks Froome 2013 comparable with Armstrong 1999 wasn't watching closely in '99.

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He still wants to believe

 

[The Hitch]

David Walsh:

David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST 1m

Remember in '99 we knew EPO in widespread use and it was undetectable. More than that its use was sanctioned by UCI 50% Haematocrit limit.


David Walsh David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST 1m

Regarding overall question: anyone who thinks Froome 2013 comparable with Armstrong 1999 wasn't watching closely in '99.

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He still wants to believe

Walsh on the one hand compares Sky to US Postal early 2000's all the time, ignoring the fact that it was a different era.

But when ascent times show a direct parallel between sky and Armstrong suddenly he chooses to avoid the comparison all together.

Anyway does anyone know if Walsh at any point in his previous defence of sky emphasised the "slower times".

 

[wirral]

If I was feeling cynical, I might think that :-

It looks like the ASO have told Sky they can't have 1-2 again this year.

 

[bolingbroke]

Sky is still the only team in the peleton who insist on anti doping contracts which require no past doping charges and clauses where they can charge riders for bringing the team/sponsors into disrepute if their are revelations in the future. On the face of it they are the cleanest team out there.

If all we are going to do is used compared results as evidence of doping then cycling is really never going to get free of the unclean image. Progress is still going to happen without doping.

 

[Chaddy]

If I was feeling cynical, I might think that :-

It looks like the ASO have told Sky they can't have 1-2 again this year.

Or the UCI have told all the other teams to take what they want and we'll turn a blind eye.

 

[The Hitch]

wTF is kirby on about. He keeps saying that Froome is riding all on his own.

 

[bigcog]

What do you say now ?

 

[Roude Leiw]

It took me quite some time to enjoy cycling again after La Planche des Belles Filles, it seems it will be the same again.

Now if "cycling has changed", how come the other in the beaten pack don't speak out? Let's face it, new dopers have beaten the old guard on the juice yesterday.

So saddening all this. They will learn when they will die too early for their age or when the sponsors are too disgusted to carry on. German market is already dead and not ready to come back, others will follow, salvation is not the UK or China.