Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Cycle Chic]

that was Froome's quote on the off-day no?

David Millar !!?? did you see the post race interview with him by Rob Hayles...he is as gaunt and skinny as Froome....Millar's weight would be interesting to know.

 

[blackcat]

say it aint so Hoggie, say it aint so............

well, he said,

I only doped twice



but we know that was bull$hit

 

[Cerberus]

How do you think a clean competitor should do in there non gc focussed tour debut in 2006 (i.e. during EPO era)?

Probably poorly, though as poorly as Wiggins? Also he saw no improvement in 2008 when the biological passport was first implemented. I'll grant that Wiggins improvement is less conclusive than if it had occured at another time, but I still think it's suspicious.

ETA: And we have strong evidence that the 2009 Tour was less than clean with Armstrong, Contador and Frank Schleck all claiming top positions.

 

[blackcat]

David Millar !!?? did you see the post race interview with him by Rob Hayles...he is as gaunt and skinny as Froome....Millar's weight would be interesting to know.

millar is full of $hit. BUT HE NEVER CARRIED any weight.


his retirement "getting fat" will not be a dario pieri. his getting fat is retirement, will look like tom boonen now. he wont even get to cancellara's weight.

and yes, i think millar is full of $hit, and has doped since he was on Garmin. but not much at all, i dont think he is heavy and prolly clean for all races besides prep for the big GTs like Tour and Giro.

 

[Bexon30]

millar is full of $hit. BUT HE NEVER CARRIED any weight.


his retirement "getting fat" will not be a dario pieri. his getting fat is retirement, will look like tom boonen now. he wont even get to cancellara's weight.

and yes, i think millar is full of $hit, and has doped since he was on Garmin. but not much at all, i dont think he is heavy and prolly clean for all races besides prep for the big GTs like Tour and Giro.

With Millar snuggling up to Sky would he be pushing for a position for post retirement. I mean I know there's the magical ZTP which gets played when convienient but to me it would play out very easy. As Millar used to dope only did it for a wee bit?!!! And BC let him back in for the Olympics so if they could forgive and forget then maybe Sky could convince the British press that he's a good guy now, oh, and his sister has been loyal to the cause....

I just don't really see why Millar needs to be so vocal in his support of Sky. And Froome. What's in it for Dave?

 

[Cycle Chic]

Flaco ‏@JonetHernandez7 Jul

David Millar said that Froome's natural talent is "off the scale" and urged journalists to let him focus on winning the race rather than calling his credibility into question

**** the hypocrisy ‏@Digger_forum8 Jul

Millar said much the same re lance back in the day. David why don't you **** off out of cycling.

 

[King Boonen]

With Millar snuggling up to Sky would he be pushing for a position for post retirement. I mean I know there's the magical ZTP which gets played when convienient but to me it would play out very easy. As Millar used to dope only did it for a wee bit?!!! And BC let him back in for the Olympics so if they could forgive and forget then maybe Sky could convince the British press that he's a good guy now, oh, and his sister has been loyal to the cause....

I just don't really see why Millar needs to be so vocal in his support of Sky. And Froome. What's in it for Dave?

this was due to a legal challenge to the BOA's lifetime ban policy for dopers, not BC forgiving and forgetting. They would have been itching to pick him.

 

[hrotha]

this was due to a legal challenge to the BOA's lifetime ban policy for dopers, not BC forgiving and forgetting. They would have been itching to pick him.

The lifetime ban policy being overturned doesn't mean they were forced to select Millar for the Olympics.

 

[King Boonen]

The lifetime ban policy being overturned doesn't mean they were forced to select Millar for the Olympics.

I didn't say that. BC wanted to select Millar but couldn't before the ban was overturned. There was no forgiving and forgetting, they didn't care.

 

[blackcat]

With Millar snuggling up to Sky would he be pushing for a position for post retirement. I mean I know there's the magical ZTP which gets played when convienient but to me it would play out very easy. As Millar used to dope only did it for a wee bit?!!! And BC let him back in for the Olympics so if they could forgive and forget then maybe Sky could convince the British press that he's a good guy now, oh, and his sister has been loyal to the cause....

I just don't really see why Millar needs to be so vocal in his support of Sky. And Froome. What's in it for Dave?

well, it is omerta is not it.

and there is money to be made in cycling now Rupert entered the fray,

and you are right with Fran at Sky. is she sleeping with Brailsford? that gotta be a fail, if you are gollum's squeeze.

 

[blackcat]

The lifetime ban policy being overturned doesn't mean they were forced to select Millar for the Olympics.

yeah it did.

they were forced to, if they wanted to put a gold medal around frodo's neck.

as it was, it was the most dumb@rsed strategy to go into a 100plus field, with a team of 4 support riders, and play out for a field sprint. was never gonna happen when you could not control a peloton with only 4. even if they were wiggins, millar, froome, thomas.

 

[del1962]

Flaco ‏@JonetHernandez7 Jul

David Millar said that Froome's natural talent is "off the scale" and urged journalists to let him focus on winning the race rather than calling his credibility into question

**** the hypocrisy ‏@Digger_forum8 Jul


Millar said much the same re lance back in the day. David why don't you **** off out of cycling.

Why spend time quoting the Roy Keane fanboy, funny that such a moralistic self-rightouss bloke on twitter had a man who happily breaks others legs as his avatar.

 

[Benotti69]

Why spend time quoting the Roy Keane fanboy, funny that such a moralistic self-rightouss bloke on twitter had a man who happily breaks others legs as his avatar.

You dont have a problem with Wiggins professing his love for Armstrong, who tried to destroy lives, never mind the bullying of lots of riders.

 

[martinvickers]

yeah it did.

they were forced to, if they wanted to put a gold medal around frodo's neck.

as it was, it was the most dumb@rsed strategy to go into a 100plus field, with a team of 4 support riders, and play out for a field sprint. was never gonna happen when you could not control a peloton with only 4. even if they were wiggins, millar, froome, thomas.

Stannard, not Thomas.

 

[blackcat]

Stannard, not Thomas.

no.

no, thomas.

a hypothetical london road with the 5 best and 4 best support riders. no one doing team pursuit. no one doing a track build up in training.

 

[martinvickers]

no.

no, thomas.

a hypothetical london road with the 5 best and 4 best support riders. no one doing team pursuit. no one doing a track build up in training.

But it wasn't a hypothetical road - it was a real road, and on it was Stannard.

 

[gooner]

You dont have a problem with Wiggins professing his love for Armstrong, who tried to destroy lives, never mind the bullying of lots of riders.

Roy Keane was never a bully I suppose.

 

[karlboss]

Especially in this forum I know there is little debate as to whether Sky are doping or not, nor anyone of a number of other top performers, but what is it that they are doing differently? I mean are they ahead in the doping game and how, or they are all doping and Sky are ahead in the legal components of preparation. I have my opinion, which is probably similar to others, but I'm interested in other opinions.

 

[Granville57]

I have my opinion, which is probably similar to others, but I'm interested in other opinions.

May I suggest...
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17412
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[thehog]

Especially in this forum I know there is little debate as to whether Sky are doping or not, nor anyone of a number of other top performers, but what is it that they are doing differently? I mean are they ahead in the doping game and how, or they are all doping and Sky are ahead in the legal components of preparation. I have my opinion, which is probably similar to others, but I'm interested in other opinions.

They're calling it crank in certain circles.

Triathletes and swimmers and now cyclists. Not yet banned.

 

[karlboss]

May I suggest...
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17412
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Thought of that, but 2000 posts is a lot, and ideas may have changed after a year of dominance.

Thanks Hog

 

[Granville57]

Thought of that, but 2000 posts is a lot

2000?!??!

The current number is over 21,000!

And thehog leads the pack at 1,289

 

[karlboss]

2000?!??!

The current number is over 21,000!

And thehog leads the pack at 1,289

sorry pages.

 

[Merckx]

They're calling it crank in certain circles.

Triathletes and swimmers and now cyclists. Not yet banned.

What exactly is this "crank"? I can't find anything relating to it.

 

[DirtyWorks]

but what is it that they are doing differently? I mean are they ahead in the doping game and how, or they are all doping and Sky are ahead in the legal components of preparation.

This case is most likely not the lone athlete doping story everyone uses. There's a team structure delivering the dope and designing the program. There's likely the UCI doing nothing with positive samples or not doing any longitudinal testing on Sky riders.

The other historic example, the Armstrong fraud, was not too special. Just protected and very, very well designed to come in suspicious, not positive.