Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[sittingbison]

What exactly is this "crank"? I can't find anything relating to it.

Maybe this?

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0479884/

"Poison in his veins, vengeance in his heart"

 

[faraday]

Maybe this?

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0479884/

"Poison in his veins, vengeance in his heart"

Symptoms: baldness, attacking everyone.

Sounds familiar...

 

[fruit bars with eyes]

Symptoms: baldness, attacking everyone.

Sounds familiar...

lol

bit of detail on Aicar and GW1516 including state of lab tests here if anyone not yet read it

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/04/the-new-epo-gw1516-aicar-and-their-use-in-cycling/

 

[Alphabet]

Why spend time quoting the Roy Keane fanboy, funny that such a moralistic self-rightouss bloke on twitter had a man who happily breaks others legs as his avatar.

Nice deflection.

What difference does it make if this person likes Keane? Keane is an individual entirely disconnected from cycling. It would be like disregarding somebody's comments on the Zimbabwean hyper-inflation crisis because of their religious views.

 

[slim charles]

I'm sure people said this million times, but what happens when other teams figure out how to 'use science', 'train hard' and all the **** about marginal gains? I mean, if it is legitimate [and if it isn't] teams will catch up sooner or later. Will we have average riders of all teams flying up the mountains?

 

[The Hitch]

Why spend time quoting the Roy Keane fanboy, funny that such a moralistic self-rightouss bloke on twitter had a man who happily breaks others legs as his avatar.

The point that David Millar has defended dopers before is an undisputed one.

He said contaor was clean because he didnt think it was possible for dopers to be that good up mountains.

It makes anything he says on the subject worhtless. like Ligget, like wiggins (who defended armstrong) like verbrugen.

Im not a roy keane fanboy and im making it now. What deflection can you find for that?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I'm sure people said this million times, but what happens when other teams figure out how to 'use science', 'train hard' and all the **** about marginal gains? I mean, if it is legitimate [and if it isn't] teams will catch up sooner or later. Will we have average riders of all teams flying up the mountains?

As a general rule, yes, that is what happens. Do a google on Andy Hampsten for an example where riders with big butts that he used to drop were not only keeping up, but dropping him now.

Doping under the radar is only part of the story though. The racing seems to be orchestrated, and it appears that certain teams / riders have a special relationship with the powers that be that allow them certain latitudes not availed for all.

Simplest examples here are LA's 2009/10 BP data not being passed onto the panel in totality, and riders back in the day being brought in for questioning by the UCI at LA's insistence.

There are very few contemporary incidents like those, but Pat McQuaid declaring Sky the 2012 TdF winners over a week before the end of the race was a little obvious.

 

[gooner]

Nice deflection.

What difference does it make if this person likes Keane? Keane is an individual entirely disconnected from cycling. It would be like disregarding somebody's comments on the Zimbabwean hyper-inflation crisis because of their religious views.

The point that David Millar has defended dopers before is an undisputed one.

He said contaor was clean because he didnt think it was dopers to be that good up mountains.

It makes anything he says on the subject worhtless. like Ligget, like wiggins (who defended armstrong) like verbrugen.

Im not a roy keane fanboy and im making it now. What deflection can you find for that?

If you go around calling out Armstrong for his bullying and preach about morals in sport, you apply it across the board with the other sports you follow. You don't just be selective with the things based on your personal likes and dislikes for someone. For instance, that idiot referred to on twitter likes to bring up Wiggins's comments on Landis but he seems to forget a certain low-life comment that Keane once said about one of his former players Clive Clarke which was 10 times worse than any of this. Not just this, he even retweeted a comment about JV's personal life which has nothing got to do with anti-doping. When you're doing this, you've lost all sense of reality when you're meant to have a supposed anti-doping stance.

Don't come up with this so-called moral high ground in cycling and then have a different stance to it with other individuals behaviour in other sports. It's legit to bring this up if there is a flaw in someone arguments. Like I said, cycling is such an easy sport to rant about on it's flaws and weaknesses behind your laptop at the expense of not doing it to other sports.

 

[roundabout]

Just because it's selective doesn't really mean that it is wrong.

But it's easier to focus on the person and not the point that he is making.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

If you go around calling out Armstrong for his bullying and preach about morals in sport, you apply it across the board with the other sports you follow. You don't just be selective with the things based on your personal likes and dislikes for someone. For instance, that idiot referred to on twitter likes to bring up Wiggins's comments on Landis but he seems to forget a certain low-life comment that Keane once said about one of his former players Clive Clarke which was 10 times worse than any of this. Not just this, he even retweeted a comment about JV's personal life which has nothing got to do with anti-doping. When you're doing this, you've lost all sense of reality when you're meant to have a supposed anti-doping stance.

Don't come up with this so-called moral high ground in cycling and then have a different stance to it with other individuals behaviour in other sports. It's legit to bring this up if there is a flaw in someone arguments. Like I said, cycling is such an easy sport to rant about on it's flaws and weaknesses behind your laptop at the expense of not doing it to other sports.

While I think Dig has lost some perspective - your post is based on an assumption that it is some moral stance that he has. Which IMO it isn't.

Did Keane go around pretending he was Mother Theresa while kicking people up and down the park? Nope.

 

[gooner]

Just because it's selective doesn't really mean that it is wrong.

Being selective, means there isn't consistency in your argument.

Did Keane go around pretending he was Mother Theresa while kicking people up and down the park?[/B] Nope.

I never said that.

I referred to his contrasting stance between accepting Keane and Wiggins personally.

 

[blackcat]

But it wasn't a hypothetical road - it was a real road, and on it was Stannard.

and the strongest possible team of cav, thomas, froome, wiggins, millar; would have no hope of riding Cav to the finish when 100+ other riders had no intention of losing to cav in a sprint.

they would have been better off taking ben swift, millar, (yes stannard), G (if there was no teams pursuit), and someone else for bidons.

cav can never win when the odds are stacked against him like that. but that is cav's secret talent, he thinks he can, and will not hear alternative from brailsford. that is what makes him a champion and the best ever sprinter.

 

[del1962]

and the strongest possible team of cav, thomas, froome, wiggins, millar; would have no hope of riding Cav to the finish when 100+ other riders had no intention of losing to cav in a sprint.

they would have been better off taking ben swift, millar, (yes stannard), G (if there was no teams pursuit), and someone else for bidons.

cav can never win when the odds are stacked against him like that. but that is cav's secret talent, he thinks he can, and will not hear alternative from brailsford. that is what makes him a champion and the best ever sprinter.

If you are not in the RR could you do the ITT?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Being selective, means there isn't consistency in your argument.



I never said that.

I referred to his contrasting stance between accepting Keane and Wiggins personally.

And you did so on 'morals'.
That is something you introduced - a strawman.
If you have a problem with someone, ask them - don't put out strawman or base them on your morals.

 

[gooner]

And you did so on 'morals'.
That is something you introduced - a strawman.
If you have a problem with someone, ask them - don't put out strawman or base them on your morals.

Can you read?

I never said that.

I referred to his contrasting stance between accepting Keane and Wiggins personally.

If anyone brought in a strawman it's you in your last post by bringing up something I never said. Don't be twisting my comments with your adding of arms and legs on to them. Secondly, get you facts right, someone else brought his comments into the forum so they were there to be responded in kind. By the laws of you I suppose I can't. For your information, I didn't bring in the Keane link to it either. That was another poster also. My point is agreeing with the hypocrisy when the link was introduced in the first place. No strawman in that as I detailed my reasons in my first post on this. You just choose to ignore them.

Respond if you wish but I'm out of this forum. Hanging around this place I'm beginning to lose my enjoyment for this Tour. Back to the more important things in my life.

 

[thehog]

Can you read?



If anyone brought in a strawman it's you in your last post by bringing up something I never said. Don't be twisting my comments with your adding of arms and legs on to them. Secondly, get you facts right, someone else brought his comments into the forum so they were there to be responded in kind. By the laws of you I suppose I can't. For your information, I didn't bring in the Keane link to it either. That was another poster also. My point is agreeing with the hypocrisy when the link was introduced in the first place. No strawman in that as I detailed my reasons in my first post on this. You just choose to ignore them.

Respond if you wish but I'm out of this forum. Hanging around this place I'm beginning to lose my enjoyment for this Tour. Back to the more important things in my life.

Gooner hang in there.

Its just the vortex. Ignore him. He does it to all for attention.

Stay with us

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Can you read?

Perfectly well - this is the first part of what you wrote:

"If you go around calling out Armstrong for his bullying and preach about morals in sport, you apply it across the board with the other sports you follow. ..."

If anyone brought in a strawman it's you in your last post by bringing up something I never said. Don't be twisting my comments with your adding of arms and legs on to them. Secondly, get you facts right, someone else brought his comments into the forum so they were there to be responded in kind. By the laws of you I suppose I can't. For your information, I didn't bring in the Keane link to it either. That was another poster also. My point is agreeing with the hypocrisy when the link was introduced in the first place. No strawman in that as I detailed my reasons in my first post on this. You just choose to ignore them.

Respond if you wish but I'm out of this forum. Hanging around this place I'm beginning to lose my enjoyment for this Tour. Back to the more important things in my life.

Thats interesting - very very interesting.

 

[BYOP88]

So Sky down to 7 riders, and one of those has a cracked pelvis. Surely the teams with 2 guys in and around the top 10, need to start sending guys into the breaks and force Sky to chase. Will the other teams do it though? Athough Froome only needs 1 guy to fetch him water/food, he can beat Valverde, Contador etc etc with ease.

 

[the sceptic]

Im hoping for a mega breakaway on the flat before ventoux with lots of strong riders and only the weakened sky team to chase. Probably wont happen though

 

[thehog]

Im hoping for a mega breakaway on the flat before ventoux with lots of strong riders and only the weakened sky team to chase. Probably wont happen though

I'm hoping also. But only so the Dawg can go defcon-5 full ***.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I'm hoping also. But only so the Dawg can go defcon-5 full ***.

I want to see Froome go wild as well. Full on 7 w/kg for the entire Ventoux.

 

[thehog]

I want to see Froome go wild as well. Full on 7 w/kg for the entire Ventoux.

They’ll be sorry they sacrificed Kiryienka in their credibility game last Sunday by now losing EBH.

Alas the Dawg doesn't need a team. He'll *** it up.

But me too. I want to see 7w/kg.

Go Dawg!

 

[EnacheV]

If this team is doping they must be pretty bad at it. If you exclude Froome from it it's the worst team in this TDF bare a couple, poor and invited, teams.

 

[Benotti69]

If this team is doping they must be pretty bad at it. If you exclude Froome from it it's the worst team in this TDF bare a couple, poor and invited, teams.

They are trying to avoid the USPostal comparisons of last year, but they are making it count where they need to and doing it so easily, just like on Sunday, Froome with no teammates never once looked in trouble.

 

[taiwan]

They’ll be sorry they sacrificed Kiryienka in their credibility game last Sunday by now losing EBH.

Alas the Dawg doesn't need a team. He'll *** it up.

But me too. I want to see 7w/kg.

Go Dawg!

So glad I can finally watch someone rocketing up mountains like Pantani, safe in the knowledge that the performance is clean