Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[ebandit]

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If posters truly believed Sky were a clean team, they wouldn't be wasting their time in places like the clinic trying to convince others.

If posters truly believed Sky were a dirty team, they wouldn't be wasting their time in places like the clinic trying to convince others.

Mark L

ps just read da dawg has been working on his riding style...........you will like him this year

 

[BYOP88]

Ah the old "came from nowhere" gambit.

Aged 17:
2004 1st Junior Paris–Roubaix
1st Scratch Race, Junior World Track Championships
An interesting combo.

The Barloworld years:
2007
1st Team pursuit, World Track Championships
Youngest rider in the Tour de France (aged 20)
2008
Completed the Giro (aged 21) before.....
1st Team pursuit, Olympic Games
1st Team pursuit, World Track Championships

After which....
5th Coppa Bernocchi
6th Overall Tour of Britain

2014
Finished 2nd on a intermediate stage of Paris-Nice.

Always thought Thomas would be a decent/good classics/TT rider didn't think he'd be any good in the mountains though and to be fair winning the Junior Paris-Roubaix means nothing. Have you seen the riders who've won that or the U-23 version? Eric Baumann says 'Hi'.

 

[The Hitch]

Bravo to the best climber of today's Paris-Nice pack: Geraint Thomas. It's not a big surprise in itself because he was even more impressive last year during the Dauphine.
He's another well developing UK Sky rider, nurtured by the BC academy in Quarrata, Barloworld with Froome. I am sure if I look at his CQ graph I will see the same progression as Stannard with this nice little bump in 2011 when SKY made some adjustments within their staff.
More admirable Thomas was supposed to be a classic specialist but he's an all-rounder like a modern version of George Hincapie.

I'd wait with Thomas before calling him the new Hincapie. If it happens it will happen soon enough and then I'll laugh. I was a little bit surprised by his climbing form originally last year, but, with the injury we couldn't see if it was going to go further than that. For now, I waif and watch but I won't jump on someone based on predictions.

Thomas is open however on his comment in 2012 that Usada should leave lance alone and let the sport get on.

 

[Benotti69]

Always thought Thomas would be a decent/good classics/TT rider didn't think he'd be any good in the mountains though and to be fair winning the Junior Paris-Roubaix means nothing. Have you seen the riders who've won that or the U-23 version? Eric Baumann says 'Hi'.

Eric Baumann could've won 8 TdFs in a row man!!!!!!!!!! He was the dude!

 

[Benotti69]

If posters truly believed Sky were a dirty team, they wouldn't be wasting their time in places like the clinic trying to convince others.

Mark L

ps just read da dawg has been working on his riding style...........you will like him this year

Moi! I dont think so. I post here because one is not allowed to discuss doping matters outside the clinic.

Why do i feel like i am a patient at an Oregon psychiatric hospital....

 

[del1962]

because Porte and Thomas were racing TDU and training in Australia, Froome as usual in South Africa.

The fact they where in the TDU is lost on some posters, this is what makes clinic logic hilarious.

 

[Cyivel]

I'd wait with Thomas before calling him the new Hincapie. If it happens it will happen soon enough and then I'll laugh. I was a little bit surprised by his climbing form originally last year, but, with the injury we couldn't see if it was going to go further than that. For now, I waif and watch but I won't jump on someone based on predictions.

Thomas is open however on his comment in 2012 that Usada should leave lance alone and let the sport get on.

Yeah after the Dauphine I was expecting to see him in pretty nice form in July but the injury prevented us from seeing what he was capable of.

Talanted guy imo and didn't find today outlandish at all really, lets see what he has lined up for us the rest of the season.

 

[Digger]

I'd wait with Thomas before calling him the new Hincapie. If it happens it will happen soon enough and then I'll laugh. I was a little bit surprised by his climbing form originally last year, but, with the injury we couldn't see if it was going to go further than that. For now, I waif and watch but I won't jump on someone based on predictions.

Thomas is open however on his comment in 2012 that Usada should leave lance alone and let the sport get on.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/wales/18442349

"He has had numerous allegations thrown at him through the years but hopefully he hasn't done anything wrong. Hopefully people can let it go."

 

[Digger]

The fact they where in the TDU is lost on some posters, this is what makes clinic logic hilarious.

what's most funny about the clinic is that the people who defend sky and think they are clean are giving more or less the same drivel in reply that many of us saw on other forums 8 years or so ago about lance....replace the rider and fans...there's always other to take their place. Same end result.

 

[del1962]

what's most funny about the clinic is that the people who defend sky and think they are clean are giving more or less the same drivel in reply that many of us saw on other forums 8 years or so ago about lance....replace the rider and fans...there's always other to take their place. Same end result.

Really, you seem to fall into the false analogy fallcy , anyway it matters not, no need to defend Sky it they are clean they are clean and their accusers are just full of bluster, I now just come for amusement, to see what the next crackpot theory is,

 

[Digger]

Really, you seem to fall into the false analogy fallcy , anyway it matters not, no need to defend Sky it they are clean they are clean and their accusers are just full of bluster, I now just come for amusement, to see what the next crackpot theory is,

word for word...

 

[del1962]

word for word...

as I said false analogies blossom around here

Oh you can have the last word if you want, I ain't no Dr Mas, toodlepip

 

[the sceptic]

Really, you seem to fall into the false analogy fallcy , anyway it matters not, no need to defend Sky it they are clean they are clean and their accusers are just full of bluster, I now just come for amusement, to see what the next crackpot theory is,

but if sky are clean, and you are defending them even though there is no need to defend them does that mean they are not clean?

 

[del1962]

but if sky are clean, and you are defending them even though there is no need to defend them does that mean they are not clean?

Not sure where your going here Sceptic,

Let say if the sky is blue does that mean its not blue?

 

[Parker]

Did everyone except those three go there?

No. It was only the riders involved in the Mallorca week that were there. The Tour Down Under riders did some further training in Oz.

 

[The Hitch]

Really, you seem to fall into the false analogy fallcy , anyway it matters not, no need to defend Sky it they are clean they are clean and their accusers are just full of bluster, I now just come for amusement, to see what the next crackpot theory is,

Considering you were the father of the theory that Froome by not riding in Europe until his 20's was able to biologically delay his progression for 5 years, I don't know if you can dismiss other people's theories as crackpot.

Not that there aren't a lot of flawed simplistic, unrealistic etc theories that come out from people in the clinic to jump at Sky.
But like any dishonest person you of course, immediately hold the entire clinic responsible for every single one.

 

[lllludo]

I'd wait with Thomas before calling him the new Hincapie. If it happens it will happen soon enough and then I'll laugh. I was a little bit surprised by his climbing form originally last year, but, with the injury we couldn't see if it was going to go further than that. For now, I waif and watch but I won't jump on someone based on predictions.

Thomas is open however on his comment in 2012 that Usada should leave lance alone and let the sport get on.

Thomas explained on French TV that nowhe can climb because he shed 6kg between the Bejing Olympics 2008 (75kg) and now (69kg). He explained to the journos that like every welshman he likes to empty pints of beer but he stopped to loose weight. He didn't mention cleaning his ands though.
Like Sky elite riders, he dropped some weight in 2011 when he was listed at 71kg but then he was just a decent climber. Now not only does he climb with the bests, but also TT with the bests. Last year he said he was in advance compared to Wiggo at the same age so why not win the Tour de France. Why not ?
Froome, Wiggins, Porte, Stannard, Thomas : same suspects, same profile as a Sky rider.

For the rest I didn't know of Thomas's stupid comments about LA but I'm not surprised the Schlecks said the same thing.

 

[peloton]

Really, you seem to fall into the false analogy fallcy , anyway it matters not, no need to defend Sky it they are clean they are clean and their accusers are just full of bluster, I now just come for amusement, to see what the next crackpot theory is,

How can you possibly know they are clean?

Wiggo's -12 season is something that no rider has ever achieved before.
Froome following that the year after.

I don't believe in miracles, esp. in this sport.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Always thought Thomas would be a decent/good classics/TT rider didn't think he'd be any good in the mountains though and to be fair winning the Junior Paris-Roubaix means nothing. Have you seen the riders who've won that or the U-23 version? Eric Baumann says 'Hi'.

Not looking to derail the forum harmony.
I only posted the info to give some factual context to show that Thomas was successfully splitting his time between the boards and the tarmac, while at Barloworld.

However, you do seem to be getting confused over what is normally considered classics/mountains parcour.
The Cote de Mont Brouilly, (yesterday's climb) being 3kms at 8% would normally be considered to fall into the former (Ardennes), not the latter (Alps) category.

Taylor Phinney also says 'hi'.

 

[elduggo]

Does anyone know if Froome has gone back to Kenya to get his back fixed?

 

[42x16ss]

Good point. Thomas has usually been solid in steep, short hills but never anything special on longer climbs. Last years TDU showed this - Corkscrew Rd he was awesome but struggled even on Wilunga Hill.

3kms @ 8% against Slagter and still losing out in the sprint? No alarm bells so far, that isn't exactly Froome/Porte/Wiggins territory yet.

Also - Stephen Roche, Marc Madiot, Thor Hushovd, Thierry Marie, Yaroslav Popovych and Koen de Kort are a few others who say hi

I'm more than happy to have a go at Sky when it's warranted but Thomas isn't showing the same jump as Froome, Porte and Wiggins - yet.

 

[pastronef]

If posters truly believed Sky were a clean team, they wouldn't be wasting their time in places like the clinic trying to convince others.

I guess some of those who defend Sky are affiliated to Sky in some way, the others hope to prove to themselves what they know isn't true.

I don't think people on here are affiliated with Sky. There are some fans who really want them to be clean.
I for one just prefer some Sky riders over other teams riders, or maybe I like to support riders and teams who are getting no love on this pages.
I don't ask myself if Sky or Bmc or Movi or whoever is clean.
one think I'd like is DB, Froome, and others, to shut up. but I think they talk the talk for their UK fans and sponsors. national bias is important

 

[Digger]

Good point. Thomas has usually been solid in steep, short hills but never anything special on longer climbs. Last years TDU showed this - Corkscrew Rd he was awesome but struggled even on Wilunga Hill.

3kms @ 8% against Slagter and still losing out in the sprint? No alarm bells so far, that isn't exactly Froome/Porte/Wiggins territory yet.

Also - Stephen Roche, Marc Madiot, Thor Hushovd, Thierry Marie, Yaroslav Popovych and Koen de Kort are a few others who say hi

I'm more than happy to have a go at Sky when it's warranted but Thomas isn't showing the same jump as Froome, Porte and Wiggins - yet.

Fair enough - although showing evidence of his track pursuit success, as our esteemed fellow poster did above, is a bit weak...whatever about Junior Paris Roubaix success...

Regarding Wiggins...his career performance trajectory is like a mountain stage profile...strange for a 'clean' rider.

 

[Digger]

I don't think people on here are affiliated with Sky. There are some fans who really want them to be clean.
I for one just prefer some Sky riders over other teams riders, or maybe I like to support riders and teams who are getting no love on this pages.
I don't ask myself if Sky or Bmc or Movi or whoever is clean.
one think I'd like is DB, Froome, and others, to shut up. but I think they talk the talk for their UK fans and sponsors. national bias is important

You are correct! They really do not help themselves. In July 2013 Brailsford said they would do a VO2Max test for Froome next time they were in a lab...fran millar told me they 'may' do it in December in Mallorca...now March and nothing. Transparency.

 

[pastronef]

Does anyone know if Froome has gone back to Kenya to get his back fixed?

nice one