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TailWindHome said:Nottingham Forest?
Relegated 1972
Clough took over 76/77
Promoted 77/78
Won the European Cup 78/79 & 79/80
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TailWindHome said:Nottingham Forest?
Relegated 1972
Clough took over 76/77
Promoted 77/78
Won the European Cup 78/79 & 79/80
Do you have any idea how many ranked races Froome raced before August '11?Justinr said:Well if you don't ride any ranking races you don't get ranked - that doesn't mean you are a **** rider.
I could be the most talented sportsman around but if I don't register and get tracked in competition then I don't get a ranking.
Benotti69 said:No but a team that leaves no stoned unturned and specialises in every little detail and had their 2012 TdF winner in the lab every 6 weeks doing tests just might do a Vo2Max on their other GT winner.
But lets ignore this important part of the Sky manifesto and the incy wincy fact that Vo2Max aint really important, but pineapple juice is and keeping the mechanics dry is huge marginal gain.
thehog said:Benetton was a good example of that occurring.
Mind you that had to rip out the engine and replace it with really good one. So, yes, same applies here!
Dear Wiggo said:Justinr: regardless of whether VO2max is necessary or helpful, how do you feel about Fran Millar's claim that Froome has not been in a lab since the 2013 Tour?
Wiggo was apparently in the lab every 6 weeks in 2012, doing physiology tests for Kerrison.
Justinr said:I'm not saying I'm right but is VO2 max really the be all and end all???
JV1973 said:I was measured between 78ml/kg (16yrs old, test done at 2000m altitude) to 90ml/kg (23 yrs old, sea level)... I have never been tested while doped, but one could imagine some big numbers!!Scorpius said:Hello JV. There are quite a number of doping related questions on this thread. Here is one, non-doping related. What was Your VO2 max measured at during your career ?
JV1973 said:Actually, I forgot, I did knock off one 92ml/kg as well.
But, remember, lactate metabolism and the ability to sustain power is much more important than maximum cardiovascular capacity....
JV1973 said:btw - vo2 max is not a great indicator of ability. We don't test for it. We use a test that steps up every 10 minutes, from power level to power level. You never reach vo2 max with such long/fatiguing intervals. We measure v02 , but it never gets to max before the rider fails. This test is, however, a great indicator of on road performance, because it lasts an hour and a half and is very tough the whole time. The guys hate it.
This type of testing is more aligned with how your body adapts to and tolerates acidity. Which is far more interesting than v02 max.
Dear Wiggo said:Tell me about the seat post bolts again?
Justinr said:Well maybe I shouldn't rise to this but its too tempting ... as I understood it they put the bolts behind the seatpost and not on the side. How much it made a difference I don't know but one thing is for sure there has been quite a change in aerodynamics for frames in the last 10 years, even if its only bits here and there.
Granville57 said:I'm assuming you mean before a rider was actually sitting on the bike and after a rider was a sitting on the bike?
Just look at all these aerodynamic obstacles. It beggars belief that such an appalling contraption could pass through the air at all.
If you were to put a human being on top of the bike first, most of whatever you imagine you could improve upon would turn out to be pointless. #seatpostboltsJustinr said:Thats right, no-one could possibly improve on that now could they ... there are so many areas there i wouldn't know where to start.
The Hitch said:Froome claims to have been diagnosed with Bilharzia either in the winter of 09/10 (so about 18 months before the 2011 TDF) or the winter of 10/11, (so about 6 months before the 2011 TDF), he's not quite sure, which isn't surprising of course since its not like a cyclist should expect to remember roughly what year it was he got diagnosed with a deabilitating disease that threatened his dreams and livelyhood.
In either case, why is he still getting treatment 6/18 months later? Why is he riding races whilst not cured? I wouldn't go off on hog for being a bad ds if the real ones, according to their story, allowed him to continue racing while not cured of the disease.
Justinr said:Well maybe I shouldn't rise to this but its too tempting ... as I understood it they put the bolts behind the seatpost and not on the side. How much it made a difference I don't know but one thing is for sure there has been quite a change in aerodynamics for frames in the last 10 years, even if its only bits here and there.
It all adds up - and in the case of track cycling a 1/10th or 1/100th here and there really does make the difference.
I hate to use the quote but in longer races it amounts to "every second counts" (that will get a few posts...).
sniper said:when it comes to sky, somehow only the dodgy details get into the public domain (leinders, tenerife, bilharzia, jtl, henao, etc.). They don't seem interested in cleaning/clearing their name at all.
it would only take relatively small efforts to kill a lot of the unjustified rumors about doping.
they don't seem interested though.
Afrank said:Do you think all the other teams are using seat bolts so big they create enough drag for Sky riders to take minutes out of them?
Justinr said:And to BYOP - can I prove 100% they aren't cheating? No of course not. But I believe they are clean - I've followed Sir Dave, etc. and his aims, etc. for years which is why I believe. Look back at what he and Boardman did with the track - every single element of the bike was analysed to see how it could be improved, e.g. seat bolts place in different positions because it was more aerodynamic.
The Hitch said:This is like people who say "I don't believe something can come out of nothing ergo god must have created everything" ignorant of the fact that someone must have created god in the first place.
You pick holes in the story that Froome started to dope in 2011, seemingly unaware of the fact that all those holes become 10x bigger the moment you entertain the alternate theory that Froome was clean.
Dear Wiggo said:Froome got himself in shape - not Sky.
Just out of curiosity; What British Sky member are you referring to?Justinr said:No its not at all.
What a lot of us were saying is that it makes no sense that you claim Sky doped Froome before the Vuelta when he was seemingly on the way out only to sign him for £1m a year. Why bother? Why not dope a rider who had shown more potential in that year? There is no logic in that in my mind.
BYOP88 said:The posts that she posted were regarding the treatment Froome undertook in March 2012. The guy must have bad luck if he keeps getting Schistosomiasis. Good job he's been clear since mid 2012.
Granville57 said:And it certainly isn't something that one would normally squeeze into such an exceptionally narrow, and optimistic, time frame.
If British Cycling had laid out a ten-year-plan, starting with riders in their teens, and groomed them specifically for the task of ultimately winning the TdF, then the concept would seem much more plausible. But that is not what unfolded.
thehog said:That a because Sella got caught and if you think winning 3 stages in one Giro and coming 6th against doped up Contador and Ricco then he was a Froome for sure. And looked just as ungainly on a bike.
And who said, 'Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes? Using finance analogies probably doesn't cut it for the obvious reason that very industry blew up the world! i.e. just like doping when people try not only to predict the future but guarantee results, money and in this case doping is at the bottom of the pile.
You're welcome to challenge but I feel your current argument is based on the 'hearts and minds" type of emotion approach and not one based on logic
And for the record. No one ever thought the world was flat, ever. That's one of those emotive logic curveballs that gets thrown. Not true.
the sceptic said:to be fair, the earth being flat is a lot easier to believe than sky being cleans.