Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Benotti69]

Sir Alex Ferguson never let a player become bigger than the team, except Rooney maybe, seems Brailsford needs to stamp his authority and re establish who's in charge.

Roy Keane was the exception for a long time.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...e-and-the-intrigue-of-roy-keane-30302496.html

 

[SeriousSam]

Sir Alex Ferguson never let a player become bigger than the team, except Rooney maybe, seems Brailsford needs to stamp his authority and re establish who's in charge.

Not a good analogy. Froome is farther ahead of his peers than Rooney ever was (who at no point was the world's best player) and in cycling you're far more reliant on individual quality than in football.

Froome is the top dawg and can do and say whatever he pleases.

 

[Will Carter]

It does see, strange that DB would let such a thing out, but maybe Froome is not tied to Sky that prevents him 'writing' a book.

Seems to me he wants Sky to back him in full or he goes elsewhere.

I guess BMC, OPQS, Trek would pay Froome what he wanted in cycling terms....

The article from the UK press is here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...radley-Wigginss-Tour-de-France-ambitions.html

Mentions DB 'being clever' with his words.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Brailsford is successful because he is ruthless, witness what happened to Wendy Houvenaghel, which I'd assume was his call. Ruthless people aren't trustworthy, probably a good call by Froome. But then he swapped flags to race for GB, I won't call that very honourable or trustworthy. That action denied Africa the first winner of the Tour, shame.

 

[Will Carter]

Brailsford is successful because he is ruthless, witness what happened to Wendy Houvenaghel, which I'd assume was his call. Ruthless people aren't trustworthy, probably a good call by Froome. But then he swapped flags to race for GB, I won't call that very honourable or trustworthy. That action denied Africa the first winner of the Tour, shame.

That action probably had more to do with Lottery Funding and having a British passport (easier travel).

 

[andy1234]

The formerly mealy mouthed Froome, is showing his true colours with these excerpts. When he isnt being a treacherous f***er, he's bordering on simple lying.....
Wiggins is a tricky character, but Froome is turning it up to 11.

 

[del1962]

Sir Alex Ferguson never let a player become bigger than the team, except Rooney maybe, seems Brailsford needs to stamp his authority and re establish who's in charge.

Never heard of a frenchman called Eric

 

[DirtyWorks]

Brailsford is successful because he is ruthless, witness what happened to Wendy Houvenaghel, which I'd assume was his call. Ruthless people aren't trustworthy, probably a good call by Froome. But then he swapped flags to race for GB, I won't call that very honourable or trustworthy. That action denied Africa the first winner of the Tour, shame.

Breaking news, lots of athletes are offered packages for immigrating. IMHO, it's hard to fault the athletes for taking a good/better offer. For example, Meb Keflezighi from Eritrea.

Does anyone know if Froome's podium story was written in Kenya as "Kenya has it's first TdF winner!!!"?

FWIW, buried deep in this thread, Froome was one of the UCI's prospects for developing cycling in Africa. Interestingly, at the time of UCI testing, he was not extraordinary. Elite? Yes. Grand tour winner? No.

Some may not be aware that the UCI has been spending money trying to develop cycling in Africa for many years. They've got two different royal families that bought elite races and a TdF winner in less than a decade. So, it's going good.

 

[coinneach]

I can understand froome thinking these things at the time, partly because he was so innocent of pro cycling.
But by now, he must know better?
I can only think this is coming out now to scupper sbw chances at the tour.
Trouble is, this year froome actually needs sbw, perhaps as much as sbw needed froome in '12

 

[Dear Wiggo]

If Wiggo goes to the Tour, given his contract ends this year, I would not be surprised to see him do a 2009 the instant the chance arose.

 

[Benotti69]

The formerly mealy mouthed Froome, is showing his true colours with these excerpts. When he isnt being a treacherous f***er, he's bordering on simple lying.....
Wiggins is a tricky character, but Froome is turning it up to 11.

This post says so much about you..............

 

[andy1234]

This post says so much about you..............

Yes, it does....

 

[Dear Wiggo]

This post says so much about you..............

Unreal .

Some of these skybots display more hate for Froome than the alleged Sky haters.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Brailsford is successful because he is ruthless, witness what happened to Wendy Houvenaghel, which I'd assume was his call. Ruthless people aren't trustworthy, probably a good call by Froome. But then he swapped flags to race for GB, I won't call that very honourable or trustworthy. That action denied Africa the first winner of the Tour, shame.

Sky would have never signed Froome if he wasn't 'British'. Would Froome have become a Tour winner if he had never signed for Sky? Very doubtful in my opinion.

 

[SeriousSam]

Trouble is, this year froome actually needs sbw, perhaps as much as sbw needed froome in '12

SBW needed Froome to let him win the Tour de France. I doubt Froome's reliance on SBW will reach the same heights.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

If Wiggo goes to the Tour, given his contract ends this year, I would not be surprised to see him do a 2009 the instant the chance arose.

I would love that soooo much.

 

[ferryman]

Unreal .

Some of these skybots display more hate for Froome than the alleged Sky haters.

Go back and read the post and apologise, Andy is neither. Very reasoned poster when it comes to Sky.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Brailsford is successful because he is ruthless, witness what happened to Wendy Houvenaghel, which I'd assume was his call. Ruthless people aren't trustworthy, probably a good call by Froome. But then he swapped flags to race for GB, I won't call that very honourable or trustworthy. That action denied Africa the first winner of the Tour, shame.

I have more problems with his breaking into a national official's email account to get himself to a World Championships race than with his change of passport.

He can explain away the illegal feeds or the motorbike holding as spur of the moment in-race decisions. Well, the latter, the former is harder to do as somebody has to hand him that food knowing that it's breaking the rules. But still, the email thing is clearly pre-meditated and ruthless dishonesty for personal gain.

That makes me inherently suspicious of any self-righteousness Froome attempts to show, even when it's at the expense of known liars like Brailsford. No angels here, and some ego management might need to be brought in to prevent a situation like Astana '09 developing.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Did i hear a quack, quack ?

I have more problems with his breaking into a national official's email account to get himself to a World Championships race than with ..........
........ known liars like Brailsford. No angels here..........

Good post +1.

More duck like features being revealed by this set of ducks.

Sad to say, despite the tantrums, this is not the wobble that is going to bring this house down. All of them have way too much to hold onto at the moment.

When you look at it from a distance Lance, Floyd, Tyler, Levi, Barry, Big George and the rest of the pack, were a bunch of lying scum. Look how long they held together for.

 

[HappyCycling]

I think given all Sky have done to cool this situation, albeit publicly, the timing of this release is bizarre and petulant from Froome. I don't particularly like any of the Sky team but after this move I would love to see Brad attack on the cobbles at the first chance and really throw the team into chaos. It's a mess which appears to be bubbling over, interesting after what seemed to be a tightly run PR ship.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Go back and read the post and apologise, Andy is neither. Very reasoned poster when it comes to Sky.

Go back and read the post? It was 2 sentences.


In the context of what we are discussing - Froome's account of the 2012 Tour - Andy is calling Froome mealymouth (ie he didn't come out and lay it all on the line as it happened) and making Wiggins out to be some saint by comparison.

I went back to look at his posting history in this thread, and apart from the constant insults leveled at other posters, I found the following


Clearly thinks Wiggins is a legend:

Wiggins is the physical equivalent to legends you quote.

Of course those legends didn't begin their career in the Wild West doping era, but luckily for Wiggins, his whole career hasn't taken place during that era.

Hopefully the USA can produce a clean rider with the same physical attributes as Wiggins or LeMond again, and allow the embarrassment that is US cycling, to move on.

Watched the 2011 Vuelta, 2012 Tour and still says this about Froome:

Froome, Rogers and Porte have yet to show they are capable of winning a GT.
They have shown they are capable of helping Wiggins win a GT though.

One rider with the physiology capable of winning, several riders with the physiology capable of helping.

Happy to help.

I kept going but all I see is Wiggins defense, over and over.

After all the thing Wiggins has done - supporting (in love with) Lance and Contador, the lazy w*nkers line, the turn around on Lance, the entirety of his explanations for his 2012 performance, etc, etc, for someone to say

The formerly mealy mouthed Froome, is showing his true colours with these excerpts. When he isnt being a treacherous f***er, he's bordering on simple lying.....
Wiggins is a tricky character, but Froome is turning it up to 11.

is, imo, clear indication of dislike of Froome over Wiggins - and more than supposed Sky haters have done. "treacherous f***er"? Really?

If you can point out a couple of posts of Andy's where I am wrong, happy to be shown the light, but my quick search just now (adny1234 "wiggins") seems to support my point.

 

[andy1234]

Go back and read the post? It was 2 sentences.


In the context of what we are discussing - Froome's account of the 2012 Tour - Andy is calling Froome mealymouth (ie he didn't come out and lay it all on the line as it happened) and making Wiggins out to be some saint by comparison.

I went back to look at his posting history in this thread, and apart from the constant insults leveled at other posters, I found the following


Clearly thinks Wiggins is a legend:




Watched the 2011 Vuelta, 2012 Tour and still says this about Froome:



I kept going but all I see is Wiggins defense, over and over.

After all the thing Wiggins has done - supporting (in love with) Lance and Contador, the lazy w*nkers line, the turn around on Lance, the entirety of his explanations for his 2012 performance, etc, etc, for someone to say



is, imo, clear indication of dislike of Froome over Wiggins - and more than supposed Sky haters have done. "treacherous f***er"? Really?

If you can point out a couple of posts of Andy's where I am wrong, happy to be shown the light, but my quick search just now (adny1234 "wiggins") seems to support my point.

I can't be bothered correcting all of your points, but you reacted first, and then went looking for evidence later.
Quote the posts out of context if you like, but if you actually read the conversations, there is little love for Sky, and simple facts about Wiggins' physical attributes.

"making Wiggins out to be some saint by comparison" ??
"Clearly thinks Wiggins is a legend" ??
Hardly.......

 

[andy1234]

Go back and read the post and apologise, Andy is neither. Very reasoned poster when it comes to Sky.

Thanks, but no apology is necessary.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Sky would have never signed Froome if he wasn't 'British'. Would Froome have become a Tour winner if he had never signed for Sky? Very doubtful in my opinion.

Of course that is up for debate. His father is British, hence why he took the flag, he already had the passport. But he has never lived here, and hasn't raced here much, very is culturally Kenyan and races with the Kenyan flag on his bike.

I have no real issue with it, he did what he did for racing reasons.

 

[King Boonen]

Breaking news, lots of athletes are offered packages for immigrating. IMHO, it's hard to fault the athletes for taking a good/better offer. For example, Meb Keflezighi from Eritrea.

Does anyone know if Froome's podium story was written in Kenya as "Kenya has it's first TdF winner!!!"?

FWIW, buried deep in this thread, Froome was one of the UCI's prospects for developing cycling in Africa. Interestingly, at the time of UCI testing, he was not extraordinary. Elite? Yes. Grand tour winner? No.

Some may not be aware that the UCI has been spending money trying to develop cycling in Africa for many years. They've got two different royal families that bought elite races and a TdF winner in less than a decade. So, it's going good.

Don't know if you got an answer, my Kenyan friends certainly claimed the win. I'll text one now and ask.