Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Netserk]

Don't think he was banned at that time but was under ongoing investigation for doping practices.

Ferrari already had a rep as far back as the 94 EPO comparison to OJ remarks. Remember he was Gewiss doctor and was then removed from the team after his comments. Then there were the remarks in Willy Voets book about Ferrari which was 99/00. Cannot remember if Simeoni had testified by then either.

Ferrari was high profile during the 90s as he worked with so many riders. As Voet related, he was considered 'the myth'. In comparison most people including myself didn't even know who Leinders was until after he was at SKY and the rumours started. Cue lots of posters now claiming otherwise they knew all about him.

I know, and in that way Leinders isn't comparable to Ferrari, as Ferrari was much more of a notorious doping doctor, but my question to ebandit was a response to his question, which doesn't make a lot of sense given that Ferrari wasn't banned either.

 

[the sceptic]

If you started following cycling when Sky started then, yes, you would'nt know much about Leinders.

He was well know and reports on him doping riders went way back into the early 2000's. By 2007 with Rasmussen he was well know.

I get why newbie Skyfans like yourself wouldn't know Leinders or much about cycling prior to Sky. No harm done.

I don't think it's rocket science. Sky needed a doping doctor with UCI protection so Leinders was the perfect man for the job. Yes, he was probably quite unknown at the time, which means that there is no way Brailsford could know about him without knowing he was a doping doctor.

I would guess he was recommended by the UCI and/or the former rabo riders.

 

[pmcg76]

If you started following cycling when Sky started then, yes, you would'nt know much about Leinders.

He was well know and reports on him doping riders went way back into the early 2000's. By 2007 with Rasmussen he was well know.

I get why newbie Skyfans like yourself wouldn't know Leinders or much about cycling prior to Sky. No harm done.

What a laughable bit of trolling. Newbie SKY were formed in what year and my join date for this forum is when?

So if I look at the Leinders thread or even a mention of Leinders, he was mentioned way before he joined SKY. Right?

 

[the sceptic]

If you are claiming that as fact you are obviously trolling

Anyway I now know why you don't like Walsh.

What? That Lance was more talented?

Maybe you should go look up his results pre transformation and compare with Froome/Wiggins.

 

[del1962]

What? That Lance was more talented?

Maybe you should go look up his results pre transformation and compare with Froome/Wiggins.

So you know when Lance started doping?

 

[thehog]

What a laughable bit of trolling. Newbie SKY were formed in what year and my join date for this forum is when?

So if I look at the Leinders thread or even a mention of Leinders, he was mentioned way before he joined SKY. Right?

Well you basically admitted to being a newbie Sky fan. I'm mean, seriously, if you didn't know Leinders by the time of Rassmussen in 2007 then you're 100% bot. No offence but you can't really know cycling if you didn't know Rasmussen was doping along with the Rabo team & Leinders.

Basic stuff.

 

[the sceptic]

So you know when Lance started doping?

No of course not.

But I do know that Lance started winning and was very good in one day races from a young age. You don't win the worlds when you're 21 years old without talent, doped or not.

Remind me again what Wiggins and Froome were doing at the same age?

 

[del1962]

No of course not.

But I do know that Lance started winning and was very good in one day races from a young age. You don't win the worlds when you're 21 years old without talent, doped or not.

Remind me again what Wiggins and Froome were doing at the same age?

One of them was winning Olympic medals when he was younger but never mind about that, I am interested in knowing when you think Lance started doping?

 

[pmcg76]

Well you basically admitted to being a newbie Sky fan. I'm mean, seriously, if you didn't know Leinders by the time of Rassmussen in 2007 then you're 100% bot. No offence but you can't really know cycling if you didn't know Rasmussen was doping along with the Rabo team & Leinders.

Basic stuff.

Hog, your record for lying and trolling is impeccable so why break the habit of a lifetime. I have been on this forum from the start so you cannot BS me.

There is no mention of Leinders before SKY on this forum. He was clearly so well known that nobody thought to talk about him, ever. Put his name in a search and see what you come up? There is even a thread called 'the revenge of Rasmussen' started in 2009 that talks about the Humaplasma clinic, no mention of Leinders by anyone and them boom it jumps to 2012 and Leinders is mentioned. Nearly all the threads he has been mentioned in are SKY related threads.

Trying to revise history is standard for your form of trolling.

 

[TheSpud]

When microdosing generally you'd will shoot into a small roll of skin on the stomach.

Shooting up into your foot or between your toes is only for hardcore addicts.

Actually it would be direct in to the vein - clears the system quicker.

 

[the sceptic]

One of them was winning Olympic medals when he was younger but never mind about that, I am interested in knowing when you think Lance started doping?

What difference does it make? I have no idea.

Dawg might have been doping to win the anatomic jock strap race too for all we know.

Doesn't change the fact that Lance was vastly more talented than Dawg and Wiggins.

 

[del1962]

What difference does it make? I have no idea.

Dawg might have been doping to win the anatomic jock strap race too for all we know.

Doesn't change the fact that Lance was vastly more talented than Dawg and Wiggins.

Lance bot

I will leave you in your deluded opinions

 

[thehog]

Hog, your record for lying and trolling is impeccable so why break the habit of a lifetime. I have been on this forum from the start so you cannot BS me.

There is no mention of Leinders before SKY on this forum. He was clearly so well known that nobody thought to talk about him, ever. Put his name in a search and see what you come up? There is even a thread called 'the revenge of Rasmussen' started in 2009 that talks about the Humaplasma clinic, no mention of Leinders by anyone and them boom it jumps to 2012 and Leinders is mentioned. Nearly all the threads he has been mentioned in are SKY related threads.

Trying to revise history is standard for your form of trolling.

You're funny. Seriously, funny.

This forum started in 2009 not 2007. I suppose you're going to tell us Chicken Rassmussen was cleans in 2007?

Rabo was a cesspit of doping for years. Leinders worked at Pansonic. He has a long history with performance enhancement.

Take off your Sky Jersey as you can't think straight

 

[thehog]

Actually it would be direct in to the vein - clears the system quicker.

That would be silly. Easier to detect. Injected into to the stomach it absorbs into the pancreas then is excreted quicker.

 

[the sceptic]

Lance bot

I will leave you in your deluded opinions

But by your logic Lance was clean right? since there was no evidence?

Which of course again means he must have been incredibly talented to beat other dopers when he was that young.

Wiggins and Froome could hardly keep up with the gruppetto while Lance was winning the worlds and classics!

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[pmcg76]

You're funny. Seriously, funny.

This forum started in 2009 not 2007. I suppose you're going to tell us Chicken Rassmussen was cleans in 2007?

Rabo was a cesspit of doping form years. Leinders worked at Pansonic. He has a long history with performance enhancement.

Take off your Sky Jersey as you can't think straight

No I am very clearly stating that Leinders being a doping doctor was not common knowledge before SKY. If it was, it would have been mentioned in this forum long before SKY. Why was Leinders not mentioned before SKY? Why did you never mention Leinders in reference to doping at Rabobank if you knew about him? Thats right, you didn't and trying to claim otherwise is pure trolling as always.

Pointing out the fact that people didn't know who Leinders was, does not make me a SKY fan. Perhaps if you could provide some record of Leinders nefarious reputation before 2012, it would help.

 

[del1962]

But by your logic Lance was clean right? since there was no evidence?

Which of course again means he must have been incredibly talented to beat other dopers when he was that young.

Wiggins and Froome could hardly keep up with the gruppetto while Lance was winning the worlds and classics!

Thanks for proving my point.

You have obviously never read USADA's reasoned decision.

 

[thehog]

No I am very clearly stating that Leinders being a doping doctor was not common knowledge before SKY. If it was, it would have been mentioned in this forum long before SKY. Why was Leinders not mentioned before SKY? Why did you never mention Leinders in reference to doping at Rabobank if you knew about him? Thats right, you didn't and trying to claim otherwise is pure trolling as always.

Pointing out the fact that people didn't know who Leinders was, does not make me a SKY fan. Perhaps if you could provide some record of Leinders nefarious reputation before 2012, it would help.

I'll tell you a secret.

Leinders stopped working at Rabobank in 2009. This forum started in 2009.

Why would anybody start a thread or talk about him much because he wasn't working in cycling? Rasmussen ejection occured in 2007 way before this forum started.

You are really very funny.

Then Sky hired him, performances of Wiggo & Froome go off the charts and people started to talk about Leinders again.

Simples.

You only know about him because you follow Sky and Sky only. Ask the Dutch forum posters. They've known him for years.

 

[the sceptic]

You have obviously never read USADA's reasoned decision.

Does it say that Lance was doping when he won the worlds?

 

[blackcat]

I'll tell you a secret.

Leinders stopped working at Rabobank in 2009. This forum started in 2009.

Why would anybody start a thread or talk about him much because he wasn't working in cycling? Rasmussen ejection occured in 2007 way before this forum started.

You are really very funny.

Then Sky hired him, performances of Wiggo & Froome go off the charts and people started to talk about Leinders again.

Simples.

You only know about him because you follow Sky and Sky only. Ask the Dutch forum posters. They've known him for years.

could he have done freelance tho?

did he spend his time out of cycling getting a specialist qualification in obstetrics and gynecology?

 

[The Hitch]

If you started following cycling when Sky started then, yes, you would'nt know much about Leinders.

He was well know and reports on him doping riders went way back into the early 2000's. By 2007 with Rasmussen he was well know.

I get why newbie Skyfans like yourself wouldn't know Leinders or much about cycling prior to Sky. No harm done.

Hog, while I don't think I've been in agreement with pcmg in over a year, it really is out of line for you to pull the "you only started watching cycling with sky" line on him.

 

[pmcg76]

Hog, while I don't think I've been in agreement with pcmg in over a year, it really is out of line for you to pull the "you only started watching cycling with sky" line on him.

Don't worry Hitch, I know this is blatant trolling, you know this is blatant trolling, everyone knows this is blatant trolling except for the people who should know.

 

[sniper]

I'll tell you a secret.

Leinders stopped working at Rabobank in 2009. This forum started in 2009.

Why would anybody start a thread or talk about him much because he wasn't working in cycling? Rasmussen ejection occured in 2007 way before this forum started.

You are really very funny.

Then Sky hired him, performances of Wiggo & Froome go off the charts and people started to talk about Leinders again.

Simples.

You only know about him because you follow Sky and Sky only. Ask the Dutch forum posters. They've known him for years.

ask Zorzoli, head of UCI antidoping department.
it appears he knew Leinders personally for over a decade.

Leinders also gets honorable mention in several biographies.
Boogie (2008) for instance gives him much praise.

 

[sniper]

Don't worry Hitch, I know this is blatant trolling, you know this is blatant trolling, everyone knows this is blatant trolling except for the people who should know.

calm down.
Hog was merely pulling your leg for that argument of yours about how we weren't discussing Leinders here in 2007...

 

[peloton]

There is no mention of Leinders before SKY on this forum. He was clearly so well known that nobody thought to talk about him, ever. Put his name in a search and see what you come up? There is even a thread called 'the revenge of Rasmussen' started in 2009 that talks about the Humaplasma clinic, no mention of Leinders by anyone and them boom it jumps to 2012 and Leinders is mentioned. Nearly all the threads he has been mentioned in are SKY related threads.

Not on this forum, but you are kidding yourself, it was widely known inside the sport that Dr. Leinders was a doping doctor.

Riddle me that, and the transformations. Marginal gains alright

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