Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Benotti69]

Re: Sky

Wiggo to make a comeback as a dancer?

Roadie for Weller.

 

[thehog]

Re: Sky

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Dont forget the sportives!

L'Etape London by Le Tour de France 2016

The inaugural l'Etape London by Le Tour de France, organised by Human Race and in support of Access Sport brings the glamour of the Tour de France to the capital, following sister event the Maserati Tour de Yorkshire Ride. The open roads route for the event takes in much of Stage Three of the 2014 Tour de France route and culminates spectacularly with a lap of honour around the Lee Valley VeloPark at the Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park, home of the London 2012 Games. It sold out in 2015, making it a must-ride event for those lucky enough to get a place.


The Long Route 117 miles / 185km (approx. 1161m of climbing) £49
The Medium Route 92 miles / 146km (approx. 933m of climbing) £47
The Short Route 42 miles / 74km (approx. 508m of climbing) £41*
Distances are approximate and routes are subject to change

Human Race Events, organisers of 13 prestigious UK sportives including the Wiggle Dragon Ride and Tour de Yorkshire Ride has teamed up with Tour de France organisers, ASO to deliver a one-of-a-kind cycling experience in London on Sunday 27 September, taking in much of the Stage 3 of the 2014 Tour de France.


http://www.cyclosport.org/event/25-Sep-2016/UK/letape-london-by-le-tour-de-france-2016.html#bw6o7j6gJ58RlGsB.99

 

[pastronef]

Re: Sky

edit

Dont forget the sportives!

L'Etape London by Le Tour de France 2016

The inaugural l'Etape London by Le Tour de France, organised by Human Race and in support of Access Sport brings the glamour of the Tour de France to the capital, following sister event the Maserati Tour de Yorkshire Ride. The open roads route for the event takes in much of Stage Three of the 2014 Tour de France route and culminates spectacularly with a lap of honour around the Lee Valley VeloPark at the Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park, home of the London 2012 Games. It sold out in 2015, making it a must-ride event for those lucky enough to get a place.


The Long Route 117 miles / 185km (approx. 1161m of climbing) £49
The Medium Route 92 miles / 146km (approx. 933m of climbing) £47
The Short Route 42 miles / 74km (approx. 508m of climbing) £41*
Distances are approximate and routes are subject to change

Human Race Events, organisers of 13 prestigious UK sportives including the Wiggle Dragon Ride and Tour de Yorkshire Ride has teamed up with Tour de France organisers, ASO to deliver a one-of-a-kind cycling experience in London on Sunday 27 September, taking in much of the Stage 3 of the 2014 Tour de France.


http://www.cyclosport.org/event/25-Sep-2016/UK/letape-london-by-le-tour-de-france-2016.html#bw6o7j6gJ58RlGsB.99

so since UK-Aso already agreed for a UK start in 2007 (when nobody talked about a Brit winning the Tour)

they added 1 sportive (that should drag BIG attention from the non-cycling public eh?)
and Yorkshire

 

[The Hegelian]

Re:

So Sky used TUE certs.....wow, that's quite a smoking gun, I mean it's practicality blood bags, EPO vials and bags of steroids (sarcasm mode off).....seriously guys, there is a world of difference from a medical exemption for inhalers and cortisone and the big nasties like Growth Hormone, testosterone, insulin, GW501516 and Aicar etc.

If this was Astana or Tinkoff it'd be a non story but the clinic lives for a good Sky bashing.

Read this and please explain more precisely this 'world of difference':

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/jaksche-on-skys-tue-controversy-we-used-the-same-excuse-in-my-era/

 

[Escarabajo]

Re: Re:

So Sky used TUE certs.....wow, that's quite a smoking gun, I mean it's practicality blood bags, EPO vials and bags of steroids (sarcasm mode off).....seriously guys, there is a world of difference from a medical exemption for inhalers and cortisone and the big nasties like Growth Hormone, testosterone, insulin, GW501516 and Aicar etc.

If this was Astana or Tinkoff it'd be a non story but the clinic lives for a good Sky bashing.

Read this and please explain more precisely this 'world of difference':

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/jaksche-on-skys-tue-controversy-we-used-the-same-excuse-in-my-era/

This is an excellent read.

Jacksche at it again! LOL.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Re: Sky

Can anyone explain the success of Sky post-Leinders? I do wonder wonder wherher there is more to Leunders than just doping?

Look up the number of events ASO is producing in Britain since the implausible grand tour win by a good track rider. Everybody that matters in cycling is making money in the UK now.

Correct - Halfords sales are at 30% increase compared to 3% last year - all due to the Olympics.

 

[sniper]

For similar reasons Daryl Impey was always going to be exonerated.
The SA market is too valuable.

ARD getting back into the game.
etc.

Money makes the world go round.
Antidoping is an annoying PR problem.

 

[Jancouver]

Jörg Jaksche about Team Sky: “Bunch of hypocrites”

http://cycling-today.com/jorg-jaksche-about-team-sky-bunch-of-hypocrites/

my favorite line: "Then he went to Sky and then from one year to another he was suddenly really allergic."

 

[thehog]

Re: Sky

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/pursuit-of-tour-de-france-glory-costs-team-sky-their-idealism/

Cyclingnews has reached out to Dave Brailsford for comment, too, but attempts have gone unanswered so far. Team Sky has talked about its commitment to transparency every season since it was formed and Dave Brailsford, at the Tour in 2013, laid down this challenge to the media: “Why don't you collectively have a meeting, get yourself together, get organised, and you tell me what could we do so we wouldn't have to ask these questions.”

lol! Brailsford has gone into a cave as well...

 

[ontheroad]

Interestingly, if Froome was clean he should be livid with Wiggins dosing on steroids to help him win his tour. Those extra 15watts surely propelled him to tour success. Should Chris Froome be deemed the rightful winner of the 2012 tour due to Wiggin's blatant abuse of a TUE?

 

[Rollthedice]

The fire is spreading. Brailsfraud locked himself in the house, maybe he's already in the basement. Fancy Bears, chapeau.

 

[Campervan man]

Re:

The fire is spreading. Brailsfraud locked himself in the house, maybe he's already in the basement. Fancy Bears, chapeau.

I'm going to wave him off when the house crumbles down around him, and fwiw he has got a huge basement.

I think one of the most important points is the media and average fan literally haven't a clue on what has been going on. I think more have woken up now. Let's hope the pressure is applied more and more. Sky, LIEndeers, Wiggo, FroomEPOrte, Thomas, JTL and Yates and the rest the list goes on and on.

 

[justifieddoubter]

Re:

So Sky used TUE certs.....wow, that's quite a smoking gun, I mean it's practicality blood bags, EPO vials and bags of steroids (sarcasm mode off).....seriously guys, there is a world of difference from a medical exemption for inhalers and cortisone and the big nasties like Growth Hormone, testosterone, insulin, GW501516 and Aicar etc.

If this was Astana or Tinkoff it'd be a non story but the clinic lives for a good Sky bashing.

where there's smoke, there's fire.

Stay tuned. More will come out.

 

[The Hegelian]

I freely admit to enjoying the sweet elixir of schadenfreude.

Where are all those Sky defenders now? Very strangely silent about this news.

I want more of those accusations of us wearing tin foil hats and more demands for plain, common sense empirical evidence.

 

[buckle]

Re: Sky

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/...adley-wiggins-should-be-banned-says-david-mi/

Zorzoli signed this one off affirming the close relationship with Leinders as claimed by chicken.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re: Sky

Can anyone explain the success of Sky post-Leinders? I do wonder wonder wherher there is more to Leunders than just doping?

Look up the number of events ASO is producing in Britain since the implausible grand tour win by a good track rider. Everybody that matters in cycling is making money in the UK now.

before the win
Tour start 2007


after the win:

Tour Start 2014
and Yorkshire Tour

The 2014 Grand Departe had 10 million pound budget.
How many stages in the UK? How much per stage? https://data.gov.uk/data/contracts-finder-archive/download/1514253/c3f91649-c8fb-49db-9e4a-10ba45029e2a At least 1 million euro for one finish.
Letape London Sportiv?
Edinburgh stage?

These are major taxpayer projects.

 

[JosephK]

Re:

I freely admit to enjoying the sweet elixir of schadenfreude.

Where are all those Sky defenders now? Very strangely silent about this news.

I want more of those accusations of us wearing tin foil hats and more demands for plain, common sense empirical evidence.

Maybe this will play out to give the sport one more chance to get real. It's probably naïve of me, but it did seem like the TDF in 2011 was "cleanish" compared to prior years. The poop was hitting the fan with the Armstrong revelations from Landis's book, Bertie was embroiled in the steak controversy, and the Tour looked more like a real contest, a real struggle that year. Then 2012 came along and everything looked bogus again. 2013 was even worse. I want to be able to care about the sport again.

 

[Savant12]

Re: Re:

I freely admit to enjoying the sweet elixir of schadenfreude.

Where are all those Sky defenders now? Very strangely silent about this news.

I want more of those accusations of us wearing tin foil hats and more demands for plain, common sense empirical evidence.

Maybe this will play out to give the sport one more chance to get real. It's probably naïve of me, but it did seem like the TDF in 2011 was "cleanish" compared to prior years. The poop was hitting the fan with the Armstrong revelations from Landis's book, Bertie was embroiled in the steak controversy, and the Tour looked more like a real contest, a real struggle that year. Then 2012 came along and everything looked bogus again. 2013 was even worse. I want to be able to care about the sport again.

If this incident shuts up Sky talking about "marginal gains" and "clean cycling" then we are just back to the usual omertà that exists throughout the peloton. Nothing has changed and nothing will change.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Re: Re:

I freely admit to enjoying the sweet elixir of schadenfreude.

Where are all those Sky defenders now? Very strangely silent about this news.

I want more of those accusations of us wearing tin foil hats and more demands for plain, common sense empirical evidence.

Maybe this will play out to give the sport one more chance to get real. It's probably naïve of me, but it did seem like the TDF in 2011 was "cleanish" compared to prior years. The poop was hitting the fan with the Armstrong revelations from Landis's book, Bertie was embroiled in the steak controversy, and the Tour looked more like a real contest, a real struggle that year. Then 2012 came along and everything looked bogus again. 2013 was even worse. I want to be able to care about the sport again.

then maybe put off your tinfoil hat and face reality. cycling is as clean as it's ever been.

 

[heart_attack_man]

Re: Re:

I freely admit to enjoying the sweet elixir of schadenfreude.

Where are all those Sky defenders now? Very strangely silent about this news.

I want more of those accusations of us wearing tin foil hats and more demands for plain, common sense empirical evidence.

Maybe this will play out to give the sport one more chance to get real. It's probably naïve of me, but it did seem like the TDF in 2011 was "cleanish" compared to prior years. The poop was hitting the fan with the Armstrong revelations from Landis's book, Bertie was embroiled in the steak controversy, and the Tour looked more like a real contest, a real struggle that year. Then 2012 came along and everything looked bogus again. 2013 was even worse. I want to be able to care about the sport again.

then maybe put off your tinfoil hat and face reality. cycling is as clean as it's ever been.

Never a truer word spoken.

 

[veganrob]

Re: Re:

I freely admit to enjoying the sweet elixir of schadenfreude.

Where are all those Sky defenders now? Very strangely silent about this news.

I want more of those accusations of us wearing tin foil hats and more demands for plain, common sense empirical evidence.

Maybe this will play out to give the sport one more chance to get real. It's probably naïve of me, but it did seem like the TDF in 2011 was "cleanish" compared to prior years. The poop was hitting the fan with the Armstrong revelations from Landis's book, Bertie was embroiled in the steak controversy, and the Tour looked more like a real contest, a real struggle that year. Then 2012 came along and everything looked bogus again. 2013 was even worse. I want to be able to care about the sport again.

Unfortunately that is not the way it happens. When there is a big doping controversy and the claims of the new era in cycling, someone else just steps in to fill the dirty void. There is no such thing as the new cleaner cycling.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

I freely admit to enjoying the sweet elixir of schadenfreude.

Where are all those Sky defenders now? Very strangely silent about this news.

I want more of those accusations of us wearing tin foil hats and more demands for plain, common sense empirical evidence.

Maybe this will play out to give the sport one more chance to get real. It's probably naïve of me, but it did seem like the TDF in 2011 was "cleanish" compared to prior years. The poop was hitting the fan with the Armstrong revelations from Landis's book, Bertie was embroiled in the steak controversy, and the Tour looked more like a real contest, a real struggle that year. Then 2012 came along and everything looked bogus again. 2013 was even worse. I want to be able to care about the sport again.

then maybe put off your tinfoil hat and face reality. cycling is as clean as it's ever been.

based on what?

CIRC report said riders taking up to 30 tablets a day during GTs

 

[MatParker117]

Re:

I freely admit to enjoying the sweet elixir of schadenfreude.

Where are all those Sky defenders now? Very strangely silent about this news.

I want more of those accusations of us wearing tin foil hats and more demands for plain, common sense empirical evidence.

Still yet to see evidence of wrong doing, they followed the rules set out. We have no right to the medical records of anybody. The treatment was prescribed by a doctor outside the team and the TUE's issued within the rules. It's a bit of a PR headache for Sky but the news cycle being what it is it will eventually fade into the background.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

I freely admit to enjoying the sweet elixir of schadenfreude.

Where are all those Sky defenders now? Very strangely silent about this news.

I want more of those accusations of us wearing tin foil hats and more demands for plain, common sense empirical evidence.

Still yet to see evidence of wrong doing, they followed the rules set out. We have no right to the medical records of anybody. The treatment was prescribed by a doctor outside the team and the TUE's issued within the rules. It's a bit of a PR headache for Sky but the news cycle being what it is it will eventually fade into the background.

You dont have any issue with the bunch of lies they told?

What else are they lying about?

This is not a PR headache. They have been caught doing what dopers did as Jaksche confirms, using the same drugs Armstrong used and Wiggins only used the injections prior to GT performance and not since? Was he cured of his asthma and pollen allergies?

It is doping if you dont have pollen allergies or asthma bad enough to warrant an injection. So while Sky fans and Wiggins point to doing what the system allows, well it only allows use of substance if you are ill and the use of injections into muscles is not the correct course of treatment! So again this is doping, enabled by a corrupt system, but as Brailsford kept stressing, Sky were different than the past, but he lied. So what else is he lying about?

So again, i repeat, Sky and Wiggins have been caught doping. Yes the anti-doping have accepted the TUEs without proper investigation if Wiggins needed them, which makes anti-doping yet again look like nothing more than PR fluff as we saw in the Dr Bonar case and Liz Armistead cases.

 

[Angliru]

Re: Sky

This may have been addressed earlier but I'm curious to know how many other riders, if any, have had a TUE fast tracked the way Froome had. It's the first that I've heard of it occurring and maybe the others weren't well known of as they weren't high profile rider like Froome.