Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[brownbobby]

Re:

It's all the fanboys' fault!

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/team-sky-rise-and-fall-sad-parable-human-nature-bradley-wiggins-dave-brailsford-a8247016.html

"If the rise and fall of Team Sky teaches us anything at all, it is that people would far rather be told a beautiful lie than the ugly truth"

You need to have a word here WP....

"Brailsford the zany Frankenstein who created one monster too many, the baying masses, the infamous and mysterious Jiffy Bag, which of course now has its own parody Twitter account (it’s yet to tweet, which you have to say is entirely in character)."

The journo forgot to mention that its also a paid up member of The Clinic

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re: Re:

lappartient just been on (BBC) 6 o clock news seeking a UCI investigation into sky and saying clearly that the Wiggins was 'cheating'...assuming the the findings of the report are correct (which he is taking them to be)

He's calling on the CADF to see if rules were broken - that's the 'independent' CADF, funded primarily by teams and race organisers and lately more intent on shooting fish in a barrel in Latin America than in doing something challenging - and did Lappartient really say Wiggins cheated or did he just frame it in an ethical dimension? (Hey, Disrepute fans, wake up, he's talking your language, just like McQuaid did with Boonen.)

CADF and LADS have already looked at it apparently:

https://twitter.com/petercossins/status/971693847867809792

Let's count the times when the CADF / LADS (or their predecessor) should have double checked:

1) When it was issued, obviously ("We've just checked Pat, the rules have been followed.")
2) When LJdD broke their story about Froome's TUE and the whole Zorzoli one-man-committee came out ("We've double-checked, Brian, all the T's are crossed and the I's dotted.")
3) When they fired Zorzoli ("We've looked again, Brian. Nothing's changed.")
4) When Fancy Bears released the TUEs ("Seriously, Brian, it's not just going to transmute.")
5) When the Jiffy bag story first emerged ("Brian, this is getting ridiculous. We've looked.")
6) Time and time and time again throughout the DCMS hearings as different witnesses spoke ("Hello? Who? Brian? Sorry, the line's bad, call back later.")
7) When Sutton spoke to the BBC about gaming the TUE system ("David? Hi! Yes, we've looked, honest. But, for you, we'll look again.")
8) When the DCMS report was published ("You know we're going to wear the damned thing out looking at it this much, don't you?")
9) When Lappartient used the BBC to call for it to be looked at ("Hi. You've reached the CADF. Sorry, there's no one here to take your call. Please call back another time.")

 

[Wiggo's Package]

Re: Re:

It's all the fanboys' fault!

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/team-sky-rise-and-fall-sad-parable-human-nature-bradley-wiggins-dave-brailsford-a8247016.html

"If the rise and fall of Team Sky teaches us anything at all, it is that people would far rather be told a beautiful lie than the ugly truth"

You need to have a word here WP....

"Brailsford the zany Frankenstein who created one monster too many, the baying masses, the infamous and mysterious Jiffy Bag, which of course now has its own parody Twitter account (it’s yet to tweet, which you have to say is entirely in character)."

The journo forgot to mention that its also a paid up member of The Clinic

BRIAN: Are you the Jiffy Bag account off that Twitter?

REG: F*** off!

BRIAN: What?

REG: Jiffy Bag? We're Wiggo's Package! Jiffy bag. Cawk.

FRANCIS: W*****s.

BRIAN: Can I... join your group?

REG: No. P1ss off.

BRIAN: I didn't want to sell this stuff. It's only a job. I hate Team Sky as much as anybody.

JUDITH: Shhhh. Shhhh. Shhh. Shh. Shhhh.

REG: Stumm.

JUDITH: Are you sure?

BRIAN: Oh, dead sure. I hate Team Sky already.

REG: Listen. If you wanted to join Wiggo's Package, you'd have to really hate Team Sky.

BRIAN: I do!

REG: Oh, yeah? How much?

BRIAN: A lot!

REG: Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than Team Sky is that f****** Jiffy Bag off that Twitter.

P.F.J.: Yeah...

JUDITH: Splitters.

P.F.J.: Splitters...

FRANCIS: And that Brownblobby.

P.F.J.: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...

LORETTA: And Wiggo's Package.

P.F.J.: Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...

REG: What?

LORETTA: Wiggo's Package. Splitters.

REG: We're Wiggo's Package!

LORETTA: Oh. I thought we were Jiffy Bag.

REG: Jiffy Bag! C-huh.

 

[brownbobby]

Re: Re:

It's all the fanboys' fault!

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/team-sky-rise-and-fall-sad-parable-human-nature-bradley-wiggins-dave-brailsford-a8247016.html

"If the rise and fall of Team Sky teaches us anything at all, it is that people would far rather be told a beautiful lie than the ugly truth"

You need to have a word here WP....

"Brailsford the zany Frankenstein who created one monster too many, the baying masses, the infamous and mysterious Jiffy Bag, which of course now has its own parody Twitter account (it’s yet to tweet, which you have to say is entirely in character)."

The journo forgot to mention that its also a paid up member of The Clinic

BRIAN: Are you the Jiffy Bag account off that Twitter?

REG: F*** off!

BRIAN: What?

REG: Jiffy Bag? We're Wiggo's Package! Jiffy bag. Cawk.

FRANCIS: W*****s.

BRIAN: Can I... join your group?

REG: No. P1ss off.

BRIAN: I didn't want to sell this stuff. It's only a job. I hate Team Sky as much as anybody.

JUDITH: Shhhh. Shhhh. Shhh. Shh. Shhhh.

REG: Stumm.

JUDITH: Are you sure?

BRIAN: Oh, dead sure. I hate Team Sky already.

REG: Listen. If you wanted to join Wiggo's Package, you'd have to really hate Team Sky.

BRIAN: I do!

REG: Oh, yeah? How much?

BRIAN: A lot!

REG: Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than Team Sky is that f****** Jiffy Bag off that Twitter.

P.F.J.: Yeah...

JUDITH: Splitters.

P.F.J.: Splitters...

FRANCIS: And that Brownblobby.

P.F.J.: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...

LORETTA: And Wiggo's Package.

P.F.J.: Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...

REG: What?

LORETTA: Wiggo's Package. Splitters.

REG: We're Wiggo's Package!

LORETTA: Oh. I thought we were Jiffy Bag.

REG: Jiffy Bag! C-huh.

Brilliant :lol: :lol:

 

[veganrob]

Great work WP.

 

[thehog]

Re: Sky

So Wiggins and Sky say they want to know the anonymous sources knowing they can’t actually reveal their names

Wiggins has said he would like to know the identities of those who gave evidence which led MPs to believe that he and Team Sky used a powerful corticosteroid, not because of medical need but to enhance performance.

Those sources are most likely former staff — probably from the team’s medical and sports science departments — forced to sign heavily-legalled non-disclosure agreements. Talking publicly about what they might have seen could leave them open to the risk of legal action, even if the report itself was protected by parliamentary privilege.

Such agreements are certainly in existence. One former member of Team Sky told The Mail on Sunday he is ‘forbidden from even discussing its existence’ while this paper has also seen a letter sent by Team Sky’s parent company, Tour Racing Limited, to UK Anti-Doping in 2014.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re: Sky

So Wiggins and Sky say they want to know the anonymous sources knowing they can’t actually reveal their names

Wiggins has said he would like to know the identities of those who gave evidence which led MPs to believe that he and Team Sky used a powerful corticosteroid, not because of medical need but to enhance performance.

Those sources are most likely former staff — probably from the team’s medical and sports science departments — forced to sign heavily-legalled non-disclosure agreements. Talking publicly about what they might have seen could leave them open to the risk of legal action, even if the report itself was protected by parliamentary privilege.

Such agreements are certainly in existence. One former member of Team Sky told The Mail on Sunday he is ‘forbidden from even discussing its existence’ while this paper has also seen a letter sent by Team Sky’s parent company, Tour Racing Limited, to UK Anti-Doping in 2014.

... Judicial Review, baby. If he's serious...and the President Club story demonstrated the weakness of NDAs (and no NDA protects illegal activities and the whistleblower could play the health card there as justification)

 

[thehog]

Re: Sky

So Wiggins and Sky say they want to know the anonymous sources knowing they can’t actually reveal their names

Wiggins has said he would like to know the identities of those who gave evidence which led MPs to believe that he and Team Sky used a powerful corticosteroid, not because of medical need but to enhance performance.

Those sources are most likely former staff — probably from the team’s medical and sports science departments — forced to sign heavily-legalled non-disclosure agreements. Talking publicly about what they might have seen could leave them open to the risk of legal action, even if the report itself was protected by parliamentary privilege.

Such agreements are certainly in existence. One former member of Team Sky told The Mail on Sunday he is ‘forbidden from even discussing its existence’ while this paper has also seen a letter sent by Team Sky’s parent company, Tour Racing Limited, to UK Anti-Doping in 2014.

... Judicial Review, baby. If he's serious...and the President Club story demonstrated the weakness of NDAs (and no NDA protects illegal activities and the whistleblower could play the health card there as justification)

Has nothing to do with a Judicial Review. Merely pertains to NDAs and Wiggins request to know the identities of anonymous sources.

An NDA can be challenged but whom is challenged has to defend themselves. Which of course is a prohibitive factor unless your name is Stormy Daniels.

 

[thehog]

Re: Sky

So Wiggins and Sky say they want to know the anonymous sources knowing they can’t actually reveal their names

Wiggins has said he would like to know the identities of those who gave evidence which led MPs to believe that he and Team Sky used a powerful corticosteroid, not because of medical need but to enhance performance.

Those sources are most likely former staff — probably from the team’s medical and sports science departments — forced to sign heavily-legalled non-disclosure agreements. Talking publicly about what they might have seen could leave them open to the risk of legal action, even if the report itself was protected by parliamentary privilege.

Such agreements are certainly in existence. One former member of Team Sky told The Mail on Sunday he is ‘forbidden from even discussing its existence’ while this paper has also seen a letter sent by Team Sky’s parent company, Tour Racing Limited, to UK Anti-Doping in 2014.

Important to add, that employees can talk to UKAD or a parliamentary committee but have to remain anonymous, which again is odd why Wiggins wants to know who these people are? What does he plan to do with their names?

 

[El Pistolero]

Re: Sky

So Wiggins and Sky say they want to know the anonymous sources knowing they can’t actually reveal their names

Wiggins has said he would like to know the identities of those who gave evidence which led MPs to believe that he and Team Sky used a powerful corticosteroid, not because of medical need but to enhance performance.

Those sources are most likely former staff — probably from the team’s medical and sports science departments — forced to sign heavily-legalled non-disclosure agreements. Talking publicly about what they might have seen could leave them open to the risk of legal action, even if the report itself was protected by parliamentary privilege.

Such agreements are certainly in existence. One former member of Team Sky told The Mail on Sunday he is ‘forbidden from even discussing its existence’ while this paper has also seen a letter sent by Team Sky’s parent company, Tour Racing Limited, to UK Anti-Doping in 2014.

Important to add, that employees can talk to UKAD or a parliamentary committee but have to remain anonymous, which again is odd why Wiggins wants to know who these people are? What does he plan to do with their names?

Wiggo and Froome are devils, so take a guess.

 

[thehog]

Re: Sky

So Wiggins and Sky say they want to know the anonymous sources knowing they can’t actually reveal their names

Wiggins has said he would like to know the identities of those who gave evidence which led MPs to believe that he and Team Sky used a powerful corticosteroid, not because of medical need but to enhance performance.

Those sources are most likely former staff — probably from the team’s medical and sports science departments — forced to sign heavily-legalled non-disclosure agreements. Talking publicly about what they might have seen could leave them open to the risk of legal action, even if the report itself was protected by parliamentary privilege.

Such agreements are certainly in existence. One former member of Team Sky told The Mail on Sunday he is ‘forbidden from even discussing its existence’ while this paper has also seen a letter sent by Team Sky’s parent company, Tour Racing Limited, to UK Anti-Doping in 2014.

Important to add, that employees can talk to UKAD or a parliamentary committee but have to remain anonymous, which again is odd why Wiggins wants to know who these people are? What does he plan to do with their names?

Wiggo and Froome are devils, so take a guess.

Cath to chase them down on Twitter?

 

[MartinGT]

Re: Sky

He's gonna go full Lance and sue them

 

[thehog]

Re: Sky

He's gonna go full Lance and sue them

At least Lance put his money where his mouth was. Wiggins is a poor mans Lance and a lot weaker, he’d never sue. To busy setting up faux charities and entering into tax avoidance schemes.

 

[brownbobby]

Re: Sky

They're all about to be exposed for the sluts and alcoholics that they really are

 

[macbindle]

Re: Sky

He's gonna go full Lance and sue them

At least Lance put his money where his mouth was. Wiggins is a poor mans Lance and a lot weaker, he’d never sue. To busy setting up faux charities and entering into tax avoidance schemes.

Yes because Armstrong didn't set up Livestrong did he

Seems a bizarre move to compliment a sociopath purely to enable you to think up yet another post about your personal hobby horse.

Wiggins won't sue because he can't sue. The critics have been careful to keep their statements fact-based. Nothing to do with weakness, Lance or anything else.

 

[Alpe73]

Re: Sky

They're all about to be exposed for the sluts and alcoholics that they really are

And that's the day, Clinic boys and girls ... that Uncle Brown Bobby crossed the floor ... to the other side.

THE END. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Alpe73]

Re: Sky

He's gonna go full Lance and sue them

At least Lance put his money where his mouth was. Wiggins is a poor mans Lance and a lot weaker, he’d never sue. To busy setting up faux charities and entering into tax avoidance schemes.

Seems a bizarre move to compliment a sociopath purely to enable you to think up yet another post about your personal hobby horse.

Wiggins won't sue because he can't sue. The critics have been careful to keep their statements fact-based. Nothing to do with weakness, Lance or anything else.

Another dress-up role on the Clinic ... Dr. Mac Bindle ... resident forensic psychiatrist. How we all doing today, Doc? FFS! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[thehog]

Re: Sky

He's gonna go full Lance and sue them

At least Lance put his money where his mouth was. Wiggins is a poor mans Lance and a lot weaker, he’d never sue. To busy setting up faux charities and entering into tax avoidance schemes.

Yes because Armstrong didn't set up Livestrong did he

Seems a bizarre move to compliment a sociopath purely to enable you to think up yet another post about your personal hobby horse.

Wiggins won't sue because he can't sue. The critics have been careful to keep their statements fact-based. Nothing to do with weakness, Lance or anything else.

Very true and I agree with you. I still think Wiggins is a wannabe Lance he just doesn’t have the gusto of Armstrong.

 

[macbindle]

Like him or not, Armstrong was a phenomenon. Much stronger, much smarter, much more driven than Wiggins. Wiggins was a one-shot wonder. My personal guess is that he wasn't willing, let alone capable, to keep on living the lie that entails being a multi tour winner. Didn't have the legs either

 

[thehog]

Re:

Like him or not, Armstrong was a phenomenon. Much stronger, much smarter, much more driven than Wiggins. Wiggins was a one-shot wonder. My personal guess is that he wasn't willing, let alone capable, to keep on living the lie that entails being a multi tour winner. Didn't have the legs either

True. To think with the drugs that Wiggins took and a flattened out course with a load of TT miles he still wasn’t the best rider in race. That has to mess with your mind.

 

[macbindle]

Dunno. It's a job. He had an opportunity and he took it. Did what he had to do. Made some money. Retired.

His mind is messed now, but probably because he's not getting away with what Tour winners usually get away with. Same with Armstrong x7.

 

[thehog]

Re:

Dunno. It's a job. He had an opportunity and he took it. Did what he had to do. Made some money. Retired.

His mind is messed now, but probably because he's not getting away with what Tour winners usually get away with. Same with Armstrong x7.

Hmmmmm. Dunno. He never appeared comfortable with his victory from the day after the 2012 Tour. The fact that Sky/Brailsford backed Froome the following year showed that they all knew Wiggins could never win a GT again. He knew it was completely staged for him 2012. He appeared much more at home winning TTs because he knew that’s what he was naturally capable of doing well in.

 

[macbindle]

Perhaps he knew that in the post-Armstrong climate he might well get exposed.

 

[brownbobby]

Re: Re:

Dunno. It's a job. He had an opportunity and he took it. Did what he had to do. Made some money. Retired.

His mind is messed now, but probably because he's not getting away with what Tour winners usually get away with. Same with Armstrong x7.

Hmmmmm. Dunno. He never appeared comfortable with his victory from the day after the 2012 Tour. The fact that Sky/Brailsford backed Froome the following year showed that they all knew Wiggins could never win a GT again. He knew it was completely staged for him 2012. He appeared much more at home winning TTs because he knew that’s what he was naturally capable of doing well in.

That, I think, is it in a nutshell...whatever you say about Wiggins, he's always been about the glory, if he does something he's generally playing to win.

Nothing to do with doping, I just can't imagine having put his name in the record books in 2012 he'd fancy having his limitations exposed on a more traditional TDF route in 2013....even if Sky had been willing to back him again.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re: Re:

Dunno. It's a job. He had an opportunity and he took it. Did what he had to do. Made some money. Retired.

His mind is messed now, but probably because he's not getting away with what Tour winners usually get away with. Same with Armstrong x7.

Hmmmmm. Dunno. He never appeared comfortable with his victory from the day after the 2012 Tour. The fact that Sky/Brailsford backed Froome the following year showed that they all knew Wiggins could never win a GT again. He knew it was completely staged for him 2012. He appeared much more at home winning TTs because he knew that’s what he was naturally capable of doing well in.

That, I think, is it in a nutshell...whatever you say about Wiggins, he's always been about the glory, if he does something he's generally playing to win.

Nothing to do with doping, I just can't imagine having put his name in the record books in 2012 he'd fancy having his limitations exposed on a more traditional TDF route in 2013....even if Sky had been willing to back him again.

I'm not sure that's accurate. He was a pretty dull domestique for a long time. And throughout the first half of 2013 he was bullish about the Tour, even talking of the double.

That he did not enjoy 2012: he talks about that in a Graham Norton interview. The process was no fun, the victory was sweet. We can turn to doping and blame that, call it a case of the tell-tale heart, but there are other explanations. He obviously saw Froome as a rival after the Kenyan 'transformed' at the Vuelta but his position in the team was already undermined: Brailsford had lit a rocket under his arse at the end of 2010 over the way he worked within the team, wasn't stepping up as a leader. It was, it has been said by some, a step up or *** off moment. (Some of this is alluded to in My Time.) Call it disillusionment (Wiggins got disillusioned with every team he rode with) similar to Cav's disillusionment. I doubt any of them realised what a soulless machine Sky would be.