Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[70kmph]

Seems like British cycling just fizzled out after the strange disappearance of Doc Freeman and Wiggins odd rebirth riding shotgun on a moto for Eurosport. Was it all just a Dave vanity project for a brief moment to collect some quid. OBEs and like US cycling before it, now all vanishes into the dustbin. Like it ever had a future to begin with...RIP marginal gains?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Seems like British Cycling just fizzled out after the strange disappearance of Doc Freeman and Wiggins odd rebirth riding shotgun on a moto for Eurosport.

How are you defining fizzled out? They performed well at the last Olympics. They're on schedule to perform well at the next.

Was it all just a Dave vanity project for a brief moment to collect some quid.

The bangles and baubles delivered suggest the funders got bangs for their bucks, so how is that a vanity project for Brailsford?

And British Cycling ≠ Team Ineos.

 

[wrinklyvet]

How are you defining fizzled out? They performed well at the last Olympics. They're on schedule to perform well at the next.

The bangles and baubles delivered suggest the funders got bangs for their bucks, so how is that a vanity project for Brailsford?

And British Cycling ≠ Team Ineos.

I see he has edited to take out the captial "C" so he must mean British cycling in general. Perhaps that's supposed to mean Team Ineos after all, but if so it's not all that I see on the cycling scene in GB. If it's Team Ineos, haven't they provided opportunities for both British cyclists and those of other nationalities to do well on the international scene this year? Other than the mention of Freeman, where's the Clinic angle?

 

[70kmph]

The Brits have dropped to the level of what they achieved in 2008
Sky wasn't even founded until 2009, nothing to see here then just carry on...

see statistics https://www.procyclingstats.com/nation/gb/wins-per-season

 

[fmk_RoI]

see statistics https://www.procyclingstats.com/nation/gb/wins-per-season

An unlabeled chart - well gosh almighty but that's convinced me. Nurse! I'll have what that person's having! Six Tours, three Vueltas, one Giro, and a Monument, what do they prove? That Brits suck, royally! And you can forget all the Olympic shrapnel and World Championship jumpers too! Send 'em to a charity shop!

 

[jmdirt]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, I try to resist coming here!

If this team has the magic sauce, you would would think that guys wouldn't leave because there are no greener pastures, and because they know that they won't be able to compete once they leave.

 

[veganrob]

Right. And they also have seemingly limitless money to meet payroll

 

[42x16ss]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, I try to resist coming here!

If this team has the magic sauce, you would would think that guys wouldn't leave because there are no greener pastures, and because they know that they won't be able to compete once they leave.

Only if they have it exclusively, to the point where it is not available anywhere else, and nobody else knows how to use it.

It wasn't the case with USPS, yet riders who left didn't always fire like they did riding for Lance...

 

[Huapango]

For a Team Sky/Ineos or USPS to continue their respective dominations, they need more than just the best drugs and doctors. They also need allies in key positions who will provide top cover.

 

[Angliru]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, I try to resist coming here!

If this team has the magic sauce, you would would think that guys wouldn't leave because there are no greener pastures, and because they know that they won't be able to compete once they leave.

I think that most don't leave voluntarily. Either they are given indications that they won't be resigned when their contract ends or are informed that they will need to take a lesser role at less pay if they want to stay. The team moves on to developing other prospects, leaving some riders with a choice to continue with the team with fewer opportunities for themselves. With Sky it seems that some riders are signed with big expectations and often they don't live up to them. They are given the choice to scale back their personal ambitions or move on.

 

[red_flanders]

For a Team Sky/Ineos or USPS to continue their respective dominations, they need more than just the best drugs and doctors. They also need allies in key positions who will provide top cover.

This seems far more likely than magic sauce.

People also leave (mostly) due to contract opportunities or limitations. More money is often a bigger incentive than any team benefit, including a program, I would think. At least if cyclists act like any other sportsmen.

 

[jmdirt]

This seems far more likely than magic sauce.

People also leave (mostly) due to contract opportunities or limitations. More money is often a bigger incentive than any team benefit, including a program, I would think. At least if cyclists act like any other sportsmen.

Poels left so that he could have leadership, but if he knows that Sky has the BETTER special sauce (as many in this thread profess), he knows that his leadership will be for the leftovers behind Ineos.

 

[Parker]

For a Team Sky/Ineos or USPS to continue their respective dominations, they need more than just the best drugs and doctors. They also need allies in key positions who will provide top cover.

These supposed allies couldn't even keep Froome's salbutamol test confidential, as it should have been. Do you really think they presided over a ten year conspiracy?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Poels left so that he could have leadership, but if he knows that Sky has the BETTER special sauce (as many in this thread profess), he knows that his leadership will be for the leftovers behind Ineos.

Ah, says he, donning his tinfoil hat, but Poels will be riding for Skineos refugee Rod Ellingworth, alongside the Skineos refugee Mikel Landa, and possibly the Skineos refugee Mark Cavendish. And with access to the secret of Slovenia's sudden cycling success. It's gonna be bleedin' mayhem.

 

[jmdirt]

Ah, says he, donning his tinfoil hat, but Poels will be riding for Skineos refugee Rod Ellingworth, alongside the Skineos refugee Mikel Landa, and possibly the Skineos refugee Mark Cavendish. And with access to the secret of Slovenia's sudden cycling success. It's gonna be bleedin' mayhem.

That's funny! I question the conspiracy theorist, and you point to MY tin foil hat ...while donning a tin foil suit.

 

[red_flanders]

Poels left so that he could have leadership, but if he knows that Sky has the BETTER special sauce (as many in this thread profess), he knows that his leadership will be for the leftovers behind Ineos.

Leadership certainly can be an incentive. Don't know his contract details, but wonder if he's making more now. Often the case when a prominent rider leaves a team for a leadership role.

Seemingly if riders are on a program, they would know a great many details about how that program was applied. Not perfectly, and they're not doctors, but they have to know what "stuff" works. So he doesn't "know" what the results will be–if he was on a program at Sky, he may well believe it can be replicated elsewhere.

And again, if he's leaving for more money, it may not matter that much if he thinks he's going to be more successful or have the same success. Gotta feed the family first. Cycling doesn't last that long, and for a lot of athletes, you get what you can get while you can get it.

Also possible that he doesn't think Ineos are getting the air cover from above which they may certainly have been getting under the previous regime. At which point some potential advantages of staying are gone.

The idea that they have some magic potion isn't one I adhere to. Other explanations seem to comport more with the facts on the ground, IMO.

These supposed allies couldn't even keep Froome's salbutamol test confidential, as it should have been. Do you really think they presided over a ten year conspiracy?

The idea that because one got out, if follows that none were suppressed isn't logical.

Beyond that, there is the obvious that the timing coincides fairly well with Uncle Cookson heading out the door.

 

[Parker]

The idea that because one got out, if follows that none were suppressed isn't logical.

Beyond that, there is the obvious that the timing coincides fairly well with Uncle Cookson heading out the door.

And since Cookson left they have won three out of six Grand Tours with three different riders. More successful than ever. So who are these allies covering things up. They won the Tour under three different UCI regimes, so it can't be them. Who else? The Illuminati? The Masons? The CIA? Penry, the mild-mannered janitor?

 

[Huapango]

This is the first year Team Skyneos riders didn't have to fake being tired on an HC climb, and their most genetically gifted rider won (not the guys who decided to become the world's greatest climbers later in life). Weird season.

Leadership certainly can be an incentive. Don't know his contract details, but wonder if he's making more now. Often the case when a prominent rider leaves a team for a leadership role.

Seemingly if riders are on a program, they would know a great many details about how that program was applied. Not perfectly, and they're not doctors, but they have to know what "stuff" works. So he doesn't "know" what the results will be–if he was on a program at Sky, he may well believe it can be replicated elsewhere.

And again, if he's leaving for more money, it may not matter that much if he thinks he's going to be more successful or have the same success. Gotta feed the family first. Cycling doesn't last that long, and for a lot of athletes, you get what you can get while you can get it.

Also possible that he doesn't think Ineos are getting the air cover from above which they may certainly have been getting under the previous regime. At which point some potential advantages of staying are gone.

The idea that they have some magic potion isn't one I adhere to. Other explanations seem to comport more with the facts on the ground, IMO.


The idea that because one got out, if follows that none were suppressed isn't logical.

Beyond that, there is the obvious that the timing coincides fairly well with Uncle Cookson heading out the door.

 

[red_flanders]

And since Cookson left they have won three out of six Grand Tours with three different riders. More successful than ever. So who are these allies covering things up. They won the Tour under three different UCI regimes, so it can't be them. Who else? The Illuminati? The Masons? The CIA? Penry, the mild-mannered janitor?

Would you say it's reasonable to think that since Froome was caught doping that he and Sky might have been a tad more careful? Seems fairly obvious. Is there any doubt about it? Maybe stop and think a bit and relax with the hyperbole.

 

[GVFTA]

These supposed allies couldn't even keep Froome's salbutamol test confidential, as it should have been. Do you really think they presided over a ten year conspiracy?

Oh yes, I forgot it was Cookson that leaked the salbutamol positive.

 

[Parker]

Would you say it's reasonable to think that since Froome was caught doping that he and Sky might have been a tad more careful? Seems fairly obvious. Is there any doubt about it? Maybe stop and think a bit and relax with the hyperbole.

Froome was 'caught' taking a drug that he openly admitted taking. There's hardly much to be more careful about. Maybe you should stop and think a bit about how dumb your conspiracies are.

 

[rick james]

Would you say it's reasonable to think that since Froome was caught doping that he and Sky might have been a tad more careful? Seems fairly obvious. Is there any doubt about it? Maybe stop and think a bit and relax with the hyperbole.

How the f#ck was Froome caught doping?

 

[Singularitarian]

This is the first year Team Skyneos riders didn't have to fake being tired on an HC climb, and their most genetically gifted rider won (not the guys who decided to become the world's greatest climbers later in life). Weird season.

don't worry, if you are trying to guess who can be their next Tour winner, how about His Majesty, recently rejuvenated cancer survivor Sir Dave himself?

 

[red_flanders]

How the f#ck was Froome caught doping?

Please. You can't be serious.

Froome was 'caught' taking a drug that he openly admitted taking. There's hardly much to be more careful about. Maybe you should stop and think a bit about how dumb your conspiracies are.

Again. Please be serious. Y'all can't actually believe this.

 

[wansteadimp]

Would you say it's reasonable to think that since Froome was caught doping that he and Sky might have been a tad more careful? Seems fairly obvious. Is there any doubt about it? Maybe stop and think a bit and relax with the hyperbole.

Have they dialled it back or has their season been screwed by Bernal's crash pre Giro, Froome's crash and Thomas falling in a vat of beer?

If Bernal had ridden the Giro and Froome ridden the Tour would we still think Sky had a bad year? Whatifs, but I'm not sure we can say they've gone easy on the dope.