Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Ferminal]

It's a safe bet Rogers is climbing much slower than 2006 if he's only putting 40 seconds on Fabian.

Zubeldia, Menchov?

 

[Square-pedaller]

... lets wait for a while, If they are doping, something will come out sooner or later

Let's wait a while - like 13 years?

Is the Tour going to Sestrières this year?

 

[Parrot23]

Enjoyed watching Cancellara beat Scarponi, Kloden, Gesink, Basso, etc.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Yeah he did but it was largely due to that Aquila breakaway, he was dropped by a lot of riders in every mountain stage

He was top 10 without the breakaway anyway.

 

[thehog]

He was top 10 without the breakaway anyway.

He won a triathlon when he was 16 so his performance wasn't that unusual....

 

[issoisso]

Yeah he did but it was largely due to that Aquila breakaway, he was dropped by a lot of riders in every mountain stage

Specifically other than the two mountain stages where everybody soft pedalled until the last 2kms (and he still lost a fair bit of time in both those), he lost 4 to 6 minutes in each mountain stage that was actually raced normally.

 

[UlleGigo]

He was top 10 without the breakaway anyway.

Wrong. Plain wrong.

 

[UlleGigo]

He won a triathlon when he was 16 so his performance wasn't that unusual....

10char

 

[burning]

He was top 10 without the breakaway anyway.

He was pretty good in Prologue, Saxo did ok in TTT,he did also pretty good in the Strade Bianche but he lost time on Terminillo which was the first MTF, I doubt that he could be in top 10 if that breakaway didnt happened

 

[burning]

Wrong. Plain wrong.

He was in top 10 before Aquila stage

 

[Ferminal]

Wrong. Plain wrong.

Well time wise yes, he would have been 10th. But on the road it's unlikely that would have been the case, but still, he was top10 in the Giro and top20 climber, nothing changes that.

 

[Galic Ho]

I have the following statement to make on today's stage:

BAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Obvious doping is obvious.
Then again it was obvious a long time ago.

Oh wait, we can't talk about that, they're anglophones.

The icing on the cake will be if Andy Murray beats Federer tomorrow.

Yeah it really was this hilarious. Pathetic. They didn't even try and hide it.

Moments like these I say bring Ricco back and let them race him. Alone. On their own special course.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Wrong. Plain wrong.

Have you remembered it wasn't a solo breakaway?

You're hard work.

I really am getting sick of dim people being aggressive on this forum. If you don't know, or you're too slow to look at the results and calculate it, then don't write things in aggressive certain tones - you simply end up looking like a bloody simpleton.

 

[UlleGigo]

Have you remembered it wasn't a solo breakaway?

You're hard work.

He lost bags of time in every mountain stage. No way he is top ten without the breakaway pure and simple.

To believe he was a top 10 rider in that Giro without the break is mental.

Edit: Who's being aggressive? You can't just say things that are blantantly wrong and expect to be carried off in triumph.

 

[Maxiton]

Well that was just ridiculous. How anyone who's followed cycling for a while can look at that finish and not raise at least two eyebrows is beyond me.

Of course journalists are always completely oblivious until someone tests positive, then we learn that they knew all along.

The questions will start to fly after today's performance. Unbelievable, and I don't mean that in a good way

The peloton has gotten cleaner, but Team Sky High Hb are riding like it's 2005. The result is a disgusting farce.

That was deeply uncool.

Saunier Duval style.

Vaughters must be disappointed that the entire Team Sky is just physiologically better than everyone on his team.

This Tour has been bought.

Three Sky riders in the top-10 with a *fourth* that would have been in the top-10 but for a unlucky puncture earlier in the week.

This is entertainment wrestling.

Jesus Christ! I thought we got rid of Postal years ago....

**** Chris Froome, **** Bradley Wiggins, **** Dave Brailsford, **** Bobby Julich, **** Tim Kerrison and **** Team Sky for setting cycling back ten years. Hopefully these clowns are busted soon because if not I'm afraid this is the standard that all others teams will have to follow over the next few years.

Maybe I'm being a drama queen now, but it's one thing to dope your best rider, to dope an entire team is sickening. And to be so goddamn obvious about it... it's arrogant and an insult the fans.

The bold parts are exact phrases that were going through my head while I was heading over here. (Yesterday and right after the stage today, the forum was inaccessible for a time. Anyone else experience that?)

I guess what's most puzzling for me is that they make no effort to be subtle about it. It's Saunier Duval Cycling all over again - as others here have pointed out.

But what does that tell us? I mean, after Saunier Duval's exposure, and especially in this anti-doping, hyper-vigilent atmosphere, what does it tell us, that a leading team would feel at liberty to be so open about their over-the-top performances? Why aren't they afraid of appearing suspect, or drawing unwanted attention?

I'd say it indicates that the fix is in. If the U.S. Postal team and its antics were a projection of U.S. soft power in Europe and the world, and thus were seen as serving certain national interests (in addition to supplying a big payday to lots of people and companies), and if this fact explains how they were able to get away with it; then it would be fair to suggest that in this Olympics year, Team Sky is seen in the same way, and as serving a similar purpose, but to British national interests. If the payoffs have been placed and the protection provided, the team is justified in being arrogant.

So what are Sky doing different in their preparation which makes them vastly superior to their rivals? It's a bit like OPQS in the classics.

To the bold, this isn't the first time that question has been asked. In fact, I recall it being asked every year about this time, from 1999 to 2005. Back then, an elaborate but unbeatable template was being followed, and they ran it year after year, with consistent results. What if this is simply the same template? I mean, why reinvent the wheel?

If this is the same template, who better to transfer it from Postal to Sky than its main figure, Armstrong himself? If Armstrong, for whatever reason, saw personal benefit in cluing in Murdoch's team, who can doubt he'd do it? This would mean, in part, an exclusive arrangement for Sky with Ferrari (thus accounting for Wiggin's recent discovery of VAM, not to mention his recent adoration of Armstrong), and probably designer drugs, as well - if your oxygen-vector drug is unique, it can't be detected.

All this would be expensive, but who is better positioned to pay for it than Rupert Murdoch? And if its seen as being in the national interest, Murdoch isn't in any position to say no right now . . . .

Supposition? Of course. Wild speculation? Maybe. But if it looks like the Blue Train, and rides like the Blue Train, well . . . maybe the obvious inference is that the Blue train template was simply transferred over, lock, stock, and payoffs.

 

[Galic Ho]

Nice riding, UK Postal, that's how it's done. Recon, training, wanting it more, marginal gains.

Uncle Rupert will be happy; he wouldn't allow anything nefarious.

I'm off down the pool to find myself a swimming coach...and a dealer.

Bahahaha. That made me laugh. Thanks, that was good.

I would go myself, but it's freezing here in Australia where I live and the local pool is being rebuilt.

Sad thing is, there are two weeks left. I expect Froome will still be up there then, not sure about the minor domestiques.

Worst thing about all of this is that it'll get worse a week after the Tour. This years Olympics are going to be one massive orgy of doping, party and recreational drugs and bodily fluids. I honestly don't know what is worse.

Maybe I will go back to F1 or MotoGP. At least you can't dope a driver there.

 

[Parrot23]

Feeling pretty relaxed about all of this because, at least, Peter Sagan didn't win and have half an hour to celebrate . (Not that I don't think he's a great rider.)

Cancellara, all 82kgs of him, must have been thinking: "Man, it's good he wasn't on my wheel on this molehill".

We need to have a sense of perspective here.

 

[Franklin]

I am aware that he doesnt have the best reputation in the world but still lets wait for a while, If they are doping, something will come out sooner or later

He?

It's not just a doctor, it's the whole team that has quite the "experience".

 

[samerics]

I only came on here to look at this thread. Apoplexy predicted and recieved.... No one looked at climb times, wattages, anything? Still why bother, you guys know it all anyway, armchair cynics. Pathetic. Give me a cheat and I say punish him, but until you have any evidence or smoking gun, pack it in.

 

[Galic Ho]

Do you have any evidence ? Any real evidence except your view ? * laughs a bit*

Laugh all you want. He is the best poster on this forum. You? Sky fanboy? Or just another idiot?

 

[SaxonUK]

Laugh all you want. He is the best poster on this forum. You? Sky fanboy? Or just another idiot?

If you defend a team you must be a fanboy?

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

He lost bags of time in every mountain stage. No way he is top ten without the breakaway pure and simple.

To believe he was a top 10 rider in that Giro without the break is mental.

7. Richie Porte (AUS) Team Saxo Bank at 7:22
8. Carlos Sastre Candil (ESP) Cervélo TestTeam at 9:39
9. Marco Pinotti (ITA) HTC-Columbia at 14:20
10. Robert Kiserlovski (CRO) Liquigas-Doimo at 14:51
11. Damiano Cunego (ITA) Lampre-Farnese Vini at 17:10
12. Bauke Mollema (NED) Rabobank Cycling Team at 19:41

Sastre was also in the break so would not have beaten him without it.

Pinotti was not in the break so would have.

Kiserlovski was in the break so would not have beaten him.

Cunego was not in the break do would have.

Mollema lost 12:25 due to the break relative to Porte, so would have beaten him by 6 seconds.

Thus Porte would be 10th. Top 10. I'm off out before you waste any more of my time.

 

[burning]

He?

It's not just a doctor, it's the whole team that has quite the "experience".

Sorry that was a typo, arent there 3 main guys(forgot their names) who has that "reputation" about this stuff?

 

[UlleGigo]

You? Sky fanboy? Or just another idiot?

Can't it be both?

Just working with the averages here.

 

[Zarvinov]

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