Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[usedtobefast]

sky=murdoch

 

[Parrot23]

sky=murdoch

Yes, agree, of course.

And Murdoch=David Cameron=Buckingham Palace=Diana=a conspiracy in a French tunnel=Dodi Fayad=Harrods=expensive shopping=inflation rate=Phillips Curve=stagflation=global economic crises=a failure by Obama to get re-elected=a conspiracy in Kenya by Froome with Obama's birth records.

I think I've missed something here.

 

[taiwan]

Okay, got it. Thanks.

I had thought he would be using someone out of the team, but I'm obviously wrong. That's one thing that's anomalous with Wiggins: his breakthrough clearly dates from his time at Garmin, but everybody here is arguing it's Sky team doping. If it dates from Garmin, as it does, he has to have had an outside doctor the whole time, but no one here has alleged that. Doesn't add up. It's all about Sky, a U.K. team. Spanish rider/team supporters are evidently p1ssed at always being the dopee supporters of the peloton.

And this stuff about Murdoch is ridiculous. I don't like the guy but he wouldn't know the front of a bike from the back. He couldn't care less. The fact Sky is sponsoring a cycling team probably hasn't even crossed his mind. He doesn't know or care. It's like complaining about Garmin because they were formed when Georgie Bush was prez, whatever. Just doesn't wash.

Well the fact is that Murdoch or his organisation did buy a cycling team, and now the two are linked. IDK where British Cycling stops and News International starts, but presumably they both want a successfuland scandal free team.

Wiggins team change didn't work out badly, whoever he has been working with. Team Sky was announced in February 2009, the performance jump took place that season on Garmin, then the next year on Sky was forgettable. Now in the year of the London Olympics they're on track to have their British Tour winner in the stated timeframe.

I mean Murdoch's organisation is so powerful that Prime Ministers have to kiss it's ***, and without conscience. Who better to ensure all the pieces fall into place?

 

[Ripper]

Well that was very disheartening. What's most disgusting is that Sky told us they were going to do it. In interviews all spring Wiggins has being saying that this will be the tactic. Their domestiques would drive the pace to drop the favourites and escort him to the summit. We all remember the last time the "let's all ride faster than everybody else" tactic was successful. Teams have tried to do this, but it never works. If your domestiques could all outclimb everybody else's star climbers, they wouldn't be domestiques. It only works if you have a systematic doping program and everyone else is just putzing around in ones and twos.
You can nit-pick and say that any one of these individual performances are explainable, but when you examine the totality of all the exceptions, it's hard to avoid the conclusion.
Wiggins might have just turned himself into a rider who used to manage his losses on mountains, to one who is there in the finale.
Froome might be a pure revelation that appeared from nowhere.
Porte might have found maturity and climbing legs to become the first class mountain domestique he never was.
Rogers might be having become a climber it the last quarter of his career.
F. Schleck might be having a bad day. Menchov might be having a bad day. JVDB might be having a bad day. Basso etc. etc.

But it's too many coincidences to be taken seriously.

I wonder what Bruyneel is thinking. How funny is it that he's not in France this July, but that he continues to haunt the race? This is his strategy. The strategy that only works for him and Armstrong, but is now working for Mello Wiggo.

I think you've summed it up better than I could. Thanks

 

[maxmartin]

Also if that climb was any longer they would have much more time into the rest of the field. Minutes. It was scary the way they rode. I'm surprised they haven't been practising how to look tired. At least they should be pretending that they're over the limit.

Froome, Wiggins should have 3-4 minutes on Evans and Nibs by Tuesday and around 6-7 minutes on the rest. Come the 3rd week they'll be so far in front it won't be funny.

I cannot see how any other team can win the race from here. Its not possible when you're competing on unrestricted doping.

funny thing is at the end of the stage, Nibali said he is absolutely at his limit, while Wiggins said he and Froom did not turn on full gas yet and they did not intend to destroy the whole peloton in the first mountain stage.

 

[Ripper]

funny thing is at the end of the stage, Nibali said he is absolutely at his limit, while Wiggins said he and Froom did not turn on full gas yet and they did not intend to destroy the whole peloton in the first mountain stage.

Wiggo didn't say that did he? If he did then he was messing with folks. He looked on the rivet at the end to me.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Indeed. Sky did nothing special today. The fact that they blew away the top riders in the world on what Parrot23 says was a "short climb" was just an indication that everyone else stinks except for Sky. Froome seems to have recovered just in time. What luck.

The guys that even entertained riding clean after today's stage are likely reconsidering that strategy.

I'm not saying Sky doesn't have good riders, but we've seen this movie before. It's like watching Nightmare on the Champs Elysees 8.

 

[thehog]

Well that was very disheartening. What's most disgusting is that Sky told us they were going to do it. In interviews all spring Wiggins has being saying that this will be the tactic. Their domestiques would drive the pace to drop the favourites and escort him to the summit. We all remember the last time the "let's all ride faster than everybody else" tactic was successful. Teams have tried to do this, but it never works. If your domestiques could all outclimb everybody else's star climbers, they wouldn't be domestiques. It only works if you have a systematic doping program and everyone else is just putzing around in ones and twos.
You can nit-pick and say that any one of these individual performances are explainable, but when you examine the totality of all the exceptions, it's hard to avoid the conclusion.
Wiggins might have just turned himself into a rider who used to manage his losses on mountains, to one who is there in the finale.
Froome might be a pure revelation that appeared from nowhere.
Porte might have found maturity and climbing legs to become the first class mountain domestique he never was.
Rogers might be having become a climber it the last quarter of his career.
F. Schleck might be having a bad day. Menchov might be having a bad day. JVDB might be having a bad day. Basso etc. etc.

But it's too many coincidences to be taken seriously.

I wonder what Bruyneel is thinking. How funny is it that he's not in France this July, but that he continues to haunt the race? This is his strategy. The strategy that only works for him and Armstrong, but is now working for Mello Wiggo.

I think you've summed it up better than I could. Thanks

Agreed. That's the best summation. I wonder of any other teams call "bullsh1t" if that goes on for thhe rest of the Tour? Will the press? I think even Armstromg would raise an eyebrow at today's performance!

 

[Jeremiah]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...ce-armstrong/2012/07/04/gJQA25CqNW_story.html

“Obviously Lance when he was young was very similar, very explosive very strong looking and robust,” said former British champion Sean Yates. “I think we can see the same characteristics in Sagan.”

Why does Yates keep spewing stupid $hit? It just draws suspicion to Wigans.

 

[Jeremiah]

Wonder what Matt Decanio thinks of today's finish? Wasn't his concerns about the doping habits of Micheal Rogers' during the 2002 Tour de Beauce the beginning of the end for the young whistleblower? Decanio seemed like such a fringe element back then but all he claimed now appears likely or has been proven as fact.

Funny you mention that because I was talking to Decanio and he was saying something about the hands of the roid guys and how they're all swelled up.

I kind of noticed that myself with a couple of people I suspect, but aren't bodybuilder big.

He mentioned two guys to me and one was Yates. He said his fingers were so big he had trouble hitting the keys on a small cellphone, he was laughing about that. This conversation must have been 5 years ago.

The reason I mention Yates is that he keeps making stupid comments about Wigan's training and the quote I just posted about Sagan being similiar to Armstrong. Why anyone would compare a current rider to Armstrong at this point in time doesn't make sense.

 

[maxmartin]

Wiggo didn't say that did he? If he did then he was messing with folks. He looked on the rivet at the end to me.

yes he did and in a very arrogant way


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-and-sky-surprised-at-stage-7-damage

 

[BroDeal]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...ce-armstrong/2012/07/04/gJQA25CqNW_story.html

“Obviously Lance when he was young was very similar, very explosive very strong looking and robust,” said former British champion Sean Yates. “I think we can see the same characteristics in Sagan.”

Why does Yates keep spewing stupid $hit? It just draws suspicion to Wigans.

I am becoming convinced that there are severe and negative effects on brain cells from the doping products used in pro cycling. It beggars the imagination that anyone would be stupid enough to make a comparison with Armstrong when he may be months away from being shown to be the biggest fraud in sports history.

 

[dlwssonic]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...ce-armstrong/2012/07/04/gJQA25CqNW_story.html

“Obviously Lance when he was young was very similar, very explosive very strong looking and robust,” said former British champion Sean Yates. “I think we can see the same characteristics in Sagan.”

Why does Yates keep spewing stupid $hit? It just draws suspicion to Wigans.

They are just making it so damn obvious for themselves.

 

[TubularBills]

Sports Illustrated

"So it was stunning, when Evans attacked, to see Froome stand up in the saddle and walk him down, closing the gap with an effortlessness belying the work he'd done. Froome should've been running on fumes, but had enough left -- while essentially riding up the side of a pyramid -- to drop Evans like an anchor and cruise in for the stage win.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20120707/wiggins-froome-evans-stage-7-tour-de-france/

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Yes, agree, of course.

And Murdoch=David Cameron=Buckingham Palace=Diana=a conspiracy in a French tunnel=Dodi Fayad=Harrods=expensive shopping=inflation rate=Phillips Curve=stagflation=global economic crises=a failure by Obama to get re-elected=a conspiracy in Kenya by Froome with Obama's birth records.

I think I've missed something here.

lol - stream of consciousness!

 

[blackcat]

I am becoming convinced that there are severe and negative effects on brain cells from the doping products used in pro cycling. It beggars the imagination that anyone would be stupid enough to make a comparison with Armstrong when he may be months away from being shown to be the biggest fraud in sports history.

or perhaps, Armstrong is the embodiment of the business of sport, and the sport of business.

One thing counts.

And it is disingenuous (for us) to deny, that the peloton have constructed their own norms. And this goes for other Olympic sports.

I dont like it. But that is manifest naivety, maintaining that founding myth of ideals in sport.

 

[movingtarget]

Indeed. Sky did nothing special today. The fact that they blew away the top riders in the world on what Parrot23 says was a "short climb" was just an indication that everyone else stinks except for Sky. Froome seems to have recovered just in time. What luck.

The guys that even entertained riding clean after today's stage are likely reconsidering that strategy.

I'm not saying Sky doesn't have good riders, but we've seen this movie before. It's like watching Nightmare on the Champs Elysees 8.

Check for barcodes on the next stage. Hilarious comment from Wiggins re not giving it 100%. Evans looked like he was dying on the bike, god knows where he pulled the final burst from before Froome made him look ordinary.

 

[maxmartin]

after ITT we probably can see 3 Sky riders in top 5, what a joke!

 

[blackcat]

Decanio was a nut, but I remember his writing about doing a race with Rogers. Decanio yelled at Rogers that he was riding clean. Rogers gave him the stink eye.

If Rogers is performing well then you know that something is up. He is the Australian Leipheimer, only a lot less successful.

thats a zinger

 

[Franklin]

Clean Sky, with the DS who learnt his trade by USPS.
Clean Sky, desperate to find any doctor have to get Geert Leinders as last resort, there wasn't anyone else available.
Clean Sky, where mediocre riders can dial in 480 watts.
Clean Sky where the spent domestiques cross the line chatting while behind them contenders are crossing the line grey-faced.
Clean Sky where the last Domestique can plow on to the finish and then drop the Ferrari driven TdF winner, World Champion and known hilly finish puncher.

HOW DARE PEOPLE QUESTION THIS!

As an aside, why don't believers answer the simple question:

Why does Sky have this medical team?

I still await the answer

 

[blackcat]

Clean Sky, where mediocre riders can dial in 480 watts.

actuallly, if you peruse the history of all of the sky team, they are blue chip, they aint donkeys.

Kansta Siutsov rode high into the top teens, by the latter of his first Tour with Barloworld, where he was threatening the white jersey when he would'a been 23ish. Quality. Quality.

they have left our Lovqvist for chrissakes.

Team Sky, are great. Rogers a 10th in a Tour, as the all round domestique. Ricie Porte getting mungrel duty on the mountains, has showed potential as a GC rider in 2010 Giro.

They aint monkeys.

 

[BroDeal]

I am laughing about JV a month ago trying to sell us a load of equine feces about the sport cleaning itself up.

 

[maxmartin]

I just don't understand why SKY need to dope the whole team? Why not just selectively dope one or two persons?

 

[Franklin]

actuallly, if you peruse the history of all of the sky team, they are blue chip, they aint donkeys.

Kansta Siutsov rode high into the top teens, by the latter of his first Tour with Barloworld, where he was threatening the white jersey when he would'a been 23ish. Quality. Quality.

they have left our Lovqvist for chrissakes.

Team Sky, are great. Rogers a 10th in a Tour, as the all round domestique. Ricie Porte getting mungrel duty on the mountains, has showed potential as a GC rider in 2010 Giro.

They aint monkeys.

Compared to who they destroyed mediocre is a fair description for these domestics.

 

[blackcat]

Compared to who they destroyed mediocre is a fair description for these domestics.

Landis was a domestique for one stage of his career.

There is a difference between going au bloc, to 5 kms before the finish, and riding at your optimum, to 2kms before the finish.

Levi Leipheimer, et al, have to ride within themselves, to the stage finish. The domestiques, can blow up, with no concern, as long as they get their role done.