Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[The Hitch]

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As a former professional in the field of Autism, I know what I was saying. There are degrees of autism on the spectrum and it is without doubt that many people who hide their identities on the internet and in forums are somewhere on the spectrum. I know. I've worked with them.

So you divulge information gained from people who put their trust in you to insult both the people.who.suffer from.it and some.internet posters.

The poster later was right. It would certainly not be beyond the wiggins to pull some weak as **** like this.

 

[ianfra]

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So you divulge information gained from people who put their trust in you to insult both the people.who.suffer from.it and some.internet posters.

The poster later was right. It would certainly not be beyond the wiggins to pull some weak as **** like this.

Wrong. Like many posts you idiots make.

 

[ianfra]

Stop it now. You know what I am talking about.

Susan

Susan: These people make me so angry. They make claims without proof, with no evidence - if they don't love this sport they should join the tiddlywinks forum or some such site. CyclingNews really doesn't need these people here.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Don't direct that at me. Direct that at the folk who were casting doubts on the performances of Rogers & Porte (and the entire Sky team) after Stage 7 stating they must be doping and that their performance was reminiscent of USPostal. They weren't taking my word for it that Sky underperformed on Stage 8, but perhaps they'll take Cadel's?

You must be a newbie in pro - cycling. Why would Porte and Rogers go and dictate the pace if Vanendert en Vandenbroecke already are ripping the peloton? Totally needless. Spare energy for the next mountain stage. Ever heard of those tactics?

English/American fanboys are so naive.

I was a journalist on Cycling Weekly in the 1960s. Do you want to know anything else?

In other words you are part of the omerta.

Next.

 

[Caruut]

Susan: These people make me so angry. They make claims without proof, with no evidence - if they don't love this sport they should join the tiddlywinks forum or some such site. CyclingNews really doesn't need these people here.

Loving the sport does not mean I have to bury my head in the sand. For me, loving the sport means that sometimes you just have to call it out for what you believe it to be.

Here's a few questions for you. Guess what, none of them have been answered by the intern brigade spilling off the Daily Mail comments pages onto the clinic.

Why hire Geert Leinders?
Really, why Geert Leinders?
I mean, you're a team concerned about their PR, why Geert Leinders?
Why not a regular doctor?
Why Geert Leinders?
What does Geert Leinders give Sky that another doctor could not?
Geert Leinders, really?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

You must be a newbie in pro - cycling. Why would Porte and Rogers go and dictate the pace if Vanendert en Vandenbroecke already are ripping the peloton? Totally needless. Spare energy for the next mountain stage. Ever heard of those tactics?

English/American fanboys are so naive.
Next.

Would it not have made more sense for Porte and Rogers to follow if they could. If Froome/Wiggins got dropped/isolated they would not be much use way back down the field. Much better to let Lotto do the work but for them to be there if needed.

 

[Caruut]

Utter libellous outrageous rubbish from someone who knows nothing about cycling. I really hate people like you. I believe in truth and justice . There is no truth in what you suggest and there is no justice in how people like you hang people or shoot them in the back without a trial and without evidence. I tell you what: I have a collection of 500 cycling books and 24 high end bikes. I promise you here in public: You (or any of you bigots) prove to me that what you are saying is correct and you can have everything I have here to do with cycling including the bikes. I promise that to you now here in Public. And for those of you rude enough to suggest I may be someone else: I am Ian Franklin, I am the only coach at Chiang Mai velodrome, I am a member of the A5 Rangers Cycling Club in the UK. I was a journalist on Cycling Weekly in the 1960s. Do you want to know anything else?
Oh yes! I'm a cyclist through and through, not just a part time hobbyist like some of you know-alls. I've been in this sport since my first Cycling Club, the Folkestone and District in the early 1960s and I have been in my current club for more than 20 years.
I don't drink alcohol and I don't smoke unlike some of you know it all dopes who post here about things you know nothing about. You lot are beneath contempt.

Guys, this fella's been cycling before, close the thread, he must be right!

Seriously, you're awfully childish for a guy who had a job in the 60s. You must be getting desperate when you start saying that drinking alcohol disqualifies you from calling what looks like a duck "a duck".

You wouldn't be related to the other Franklin on this thread, would you?

 

[Fergoose]

You must be a newbie in pro - cycling. Why would Porte and Rogers go and dictate the pace if Vanendert en Vandenbroecke already are ripping the peloton? Totally needless. Spare energy for the next mountain stage. Ever heard of those tactics?

So is Evans also a newbie to pro-cycling then for saying Sky "fell apart" on the climb? Or are, now stay with me here, far fetched I know, but are you perhaps mistaken?

Sky riders dictate pace for Wiggins, a pace he is happy with. Lotto riders dictate their own pace, a pace that may not suit Wiggins and that he has no control over.

If what you say is true, why didn’t USPostal hand over pacesetting to other teams on the final climbs of the day when they were at the height of their powers?

EBH was detached before the foot of the last climb and Rogers and Porte were both nowhere to be seen at the very beginning of the final climb, long before Lotto's tactics became apparent. It is hard to think why Sky would limit all their options on the critical last climb of the day if Porte & Rogers were genuinely fit enough to help them out.

Try again.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Would it not have made more sense for Porte and Rogers to follow if they could. If Froome/Wiggins got dropped/isolated they would not be much use way back down the field. Much better to let Lotto do the work but for them to be there if needed.

I've got a scoop for you: no one is going to drop the two Sky 'aces' in this Tour. They are riding the mountains like a TT.

 

[The Hitch]

Susan: These people make me so angry. They make claims without proof, with no evidence - if they don't love this sport they should join the tiddlywinks forum or some such site. CyclingNews really doesn't need these people here.

You claim without proof too. You guaranteed 100%that wiggins was clean. Based on a character profile lol. Its.like defending tony soprano on the grounds that he is a nice guy who would not have it in him to hurt a nyone.

 

[ianfra]

Loving the sport does not mean I have to bury my head in the sand. For me, loving the sport means that sometimes you just have to call it out for what you believe it to be.

Here's a few questions for you. Guess what, none of them have been answered by the intern brigade spilling off the Daily Mail comments pages onto the clinic.

Why hire Geert Leinders?
Really, why Geert Leinders?
I mean, you're a team concerned about their PR, why Geert Leinders?
Why not a regular doctor?
Why Geert Leinders?
What does Geert Leinders give Sky that another doctor could not?
Geert Leinders, really?

The Daily Mail is well known for being nothing more than a cheap scandal sheet that panders to the lowest common denominator. You are clutching at straws. I made my offer earlier: Prove to me that Wiggins is a doper and I will give you my whole cycling stable of 24 bikes & my cycling library. If you can't prove anything then simply close your big mouth. But let me ask YOU a question: Why did Sky refuse to hire David Millar even though he is very close to Mr Brailsford?

 

[the asian]

Susan: These people make me so angry. They make claims without proof, with no evidence - if they don't love this sport they should join the tiddlywinks forum or some such site. CyclingNews really doesn't need these people here.

This is the Clinic. This forum is to discuss doping related matters. If the comments here make you so angry, stop reading comments here.
If you feel that the majority of the members in the Cycling News Forum are " Idiots" Close your cycling news Forum account.
Why bother to discuss with people who "know nothing about cycling", " who don't love the sport", and are " beneath your intelligence level".
The choice is yours' and it's very easy to make.

 

[Benotti69]

Clearly not, as I'm not bandying around accusations.

Wiggins didn't differentiate he accused people on forums/twitter of 'bone idleness' along with other insults and yet here you are.

 

[roundabout]

Having 4 Sky riders in the group of then 11 (?) riders (if Rogers and Porte had made it) would have been hilarious.

But since they couldn't put 4 people in the last 11, they must be falling apart.

 

[Grand Tourist]

Susan: These people make me so angry. They make claims without proof, with no evidence - if they don't love this sport they should join the tiddlywinks forum or some such site. CyclingNews really doesn't need these people here.

We're allowed to be extremely skeptical about performances like we saw yesterday & on Saturday. With respect I think your knowledge regarding cycling is a wee bit out of date. This isn't the 60's & you might want to educate yourself about what being going on in the pro peleton for the past 20 years or so.


Finally, it's not 'libellous' to express an opinion that Team Sky are dirty. A first year law student knows that.

 

[ruamruam]

Sky defenders are so like Armstrong defenders of the last ten years. History repeats itself as farce.

 

[Falken]

You must be a newbie in pro - cycling. Why would Porte and Rogers go and dictate the pace if Vanendert en Vandenbroecke already are ripping the peloton? Totally needless. Spare energy for the next mountain stage. Ever heard of those tactics?

English/American fanboys are so naive.In other words you are part of the omerta.

Next.

So why did Porte and Rogers continue to ride after they pushed the pace on the climb on stage 7? Next day was a super tough mountain stage. And after the final climb on stage 8 there was a descent where Evans and Nibali could attack, if they had managed to drop Wiggo/Froome, Porte/Rogers could have been important in trying to catch them on the flat. Was it so important to rest for the next mountain stage? Well, stage 9 was a TT stage and today was a rest day.

Sure, you may be right, but to pretend that you know for sure that Porte and Rogers decided to drop on the final climb to save energy, because you don't.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

So is Evans also a newbie to pro-cycling then for saying Sky "fell apart" on the climb? Or are, now stay with me here, far fetched I know, but are you perhaps mistaken?

Sky riders dictate pace for Wiggins, a pace he is happy with. Lotto riders dictate their own pace, a pace that may not suit Wiggins and that he has no control over.

If what you say is true, why didn’t USPostal hand over pacesetting to other teams on the final climbs of the day when they were at the height of their powers?

EBH was detached before the foot of the last climb and Rogers and Porte were both nowhere to be seen at the very beginning of the final climb, long before Lotto's tactics became apparent. It is hard to think why Sky would limit all their options on the critical last climb of the day if Porte & Rogers were genuinely fit enough to help them out.

Try again.

You clearly didn't see the gesture of I think EBH to his teammate he should stop setting the pace? Shortly after the Garmins took over and then the Liquigas train. Do u really think those other teams can 'out - watt' the new British supergods?

The Daily Mail is well known for being nothing more than a cheap scandal sheet that panders to the lowest common denominator. You are clutching at straws. I made my offer earlier: Prove to me that Wiggins is a doper and I will give you my whole cycling stable of 24 bikes & my cycling library. If you can't prove anything then simply close your big mouth. But let me ask YOU a question: Why did Sky refuse to hire David Millar even though he is very close to Mr Brailsford?

Geert Leinders?

To answer your question: Millar is too old? Is no longer prepared to juice? Wait, you will get us the answer.

So why did Porte and Rogers continue to ride after they pushed the pace on the climb on stage 7? Next day was a super tough mountain stage. And after the final climb on stage 8 there was a descent where Evans and Nibali could attack, if they had managed to drop Wiggo/Froome, Porte/Rogers could have been important in trying to catch them on the flat. Was it so important to rest for the next mountain stage? Well, stage 9 was a TT stage and today was a rest day.

Sure, you may be right, but to pretend that you know for sure that Porte and Rogers decided to drop on the final climb to save energy, because you don't.

Please, u cant be serious about the bold part.

 

[ianfra]

You claim without proof too. You guaranteed 100%that wiggins was clean. Based on a character profile lol. Its.like defending tony soprano on the grounds that he is a nice guy who would not have it in him to hurt a nyone.

Are you a cyclist? How long have you been involved in this sport? How many directeur sportifs do you know? How many riders do you know? Who do you know in this sport? Have you raced in Europe? Do you know any of the sport's luminaries? Have you been a cycling journalist? Have you ever coached anyone? Have you ever sponsored a team?
Those of us closely involved in this sport actually know which side of the coin we're looking at.
Finally I would not be claiming anything if I did not have to respond to the ridiculous bigotry that appears in this thread. You, I may add, are just one of these people who only look for negatives. Look for the positives my son and your ife will be so much happier. There is no need whatsoever for this anti-Sky crap.
I think Wiggins' comments were spot on.

 

[Benotti69]

The Daily Mail is well known for being nothing more than a cheap scandal sheet that panders to the lowest common denominator. You are clutching at straws. I made my offer earlier: Prove to me that Wiggins is a doper and I will give you my whole cycling stable of 24 bikes & my cycling library. If you can't prove anything then simply close your big mouth. But let me ask YOU a question: Why did Sky refuse to hire David Millar even though he is very close to Mr Brailsford?

Did you believe Tom Simpson wasn't doping?

What did you write about Simpson and his doping?

 

[AcademyCC]

Sky defenders are so like Armstrong defenders of the last ten years. History repeats itself as farce.

This is harsh. People have written entire books on the evidence and case against Lance. At the minute I have not heard or seen anything even remotely damning against wiggins, just a few accusations. I've learnt never to say so and so is def clean because generally in the past it just hasn't been true. I also understand the sceptics point of view but there is nothing yet to sway me apart from a strong performance from a strong team.

 

[roundabout]

Are you a cyclist? How long have you been involved in this sport? How many directeur sportifs do you know? How many riders do you know? Who do you know in this sport? Have you raced in Europe? Do you know any of the sport's luminaries? Have you been a cycling journalist? Have you ever coached anyone? Have you ever sponsored a team?
Those of us closely involved in this sport actually know which side of the coin we're looking at.
Finally I would not be claiming anything if I did not have to respond to the ridiculous bigotry that appears in this thread. You, I may add, are just one of these people who only look for negatives. Look for the positives my son and your ife will be so much happier. There is no need whatsoever for this anti-Sky crap.
I think Wiggins' comments were spot on.

No, FGL's line about you being part of omerta is spot on. One of the better zingers that I've read.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

You, I may add, are just one of these people who only look for negatives. Look for the positives my son and your ife will be so much happier. There is no need whatsoever for this anti-Sky crap.
I think Wiggins' comments were spot on.

The positive side is more and more people aren't buying this Sky crap anymore. I bet before the end of the Tour the French spectators will booo off Team Sky. As they did with upper cheater LA.

 

[Square-pedaller]

Are you a cyclist? How long have you been involved in this sport? How many directeur sportifs do you know? How many riders do you know? Who do you know in this sport? Have you raced in Europe? Do you know any of the sport's luminaries? Have you been a cycling journalist? Have you ever coached anyone? Have you ever sponsored a team?
Those of us closely involved in this sport actually know which side of the coin we're looking at.
Finally I would not be claiming anything if I did not have to respond to the ridiculous bigotry that appears in this thread. You, I may add, are just one of these people who only look for negatives. Look for the positives my son and your ife will be so much happier. There is no need whatsoever for this anti-Sky crap.
I think Wiggins' comments were spot on.

So tell me. You knew that Millar was doping before he got busted?

 

[thehog]

More to follow I knew it.....