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Oh no, you're totally right there, Mercatone Uno is not connected. I was mixing their kit with the Mapei one of the time and conflating the teams as one as they also collapsed around the same time too. The actual last time the Quick Step lineage won a GT would be Rominger's '95 Giro then.
Either way it's debatable because some consider Quick Step a new team as of 2003, others consider they acquire the Mapei and Domo-Farm Frites lineages, similar to whether UAE Team Emirates includes the Saeco or the Lampre lineage or both. The current licence-holding entity for Quick Step has never won a Grand Tour.
Either way it's debatable because some consider Quick Step a new team as of 2003, others consider they acquire the Mapei and Domo-Farm Frites lineages, similar to whether UAE Team Emirates includes the Saeco or the Lampre lineage or both. The current licence-holding entity for Quick Step has never won a Grand Tour.
My opinion is Mas is better to stay at QS for the next two years until he develops more fully into a GC leader - You stay at QS with limited support BUT have little pressure and you can develop at your leisure - Unsure that Mas is ready to join the pressure cooker of Movistar - My guess is MS will have a crack at Nieve.
- Aug 5, 2009
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- Jun 6, 2017
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And what would Nieve do in Movistar? He certainly won't be someone they build a team around. He won't be a leader there, climbing domestiques they have plenty... I mean, he's a good rider, but he certainly isn't someone Movistar desperately needs.
yaco said:
And what would Nieve do in Movistar? He certainly won't be someone they build a team around. He won't be a leader there, climbing domestiques they have plenty... I mean, he's a good rider, but he certainly isn't someone Movistar desperately needs.
- Apr 10, 2019
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I don't even think that they really need to resign Quintana if they go for Mas. Mas, Soler and Carapaz would be a strong foundation for the future and some of the money that is now needed for Quintana and Landa could be used to sign strong domestiques and young talents.
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If they did that then maybe they could get the likes of Samitier back into the system, or sign Fernando Barceló. Lizarte has been gutted of quite a few of its recent talents and not just to Movistar - Samitier and Óscar Rodríguez going to Euskadi-Murias, Dzmitry Zhyhunou and António Soto (altho he was nearly 25 so probably not a major prospect so to speak) to Euskadi Continental, Nicolás Saenz to Manzana-Postobon. I'm thinking maybe Martí Marquez or José Félix Parra next to come, though Martin Bouzas has started the season well.
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Maybe you are right, but we will see what Quintana will do in the Grand Tours this season. But what young talents could they sign for the next season, that don't have a contract for next season? Also how many of them could be Grand Tour contenders? I struggle to find riders who could do that, that are aldredy pros. Maybe we could find some in the U23 and Juniors.
Also, Mas and Carapaz have show they can perform at a GT level. Soler, hasn't, yet. More, in't it too risky to let Quintana and Landa go, while Valverde is in his final years in cycling,and replace them with cyclists that the team doesn't have the evidence yet, they can perform a similar level?
Mayomaniac said:
Maybe you are right, but we will see what Quintana will do in the Grand Tours this season. But what young talents could they sign for the next season, that don't have a contract for next season? Also how many of them could be Grand Tour contenders? I struggle to find riders who could do that, that are aldredy pros. Maybe we could find some in the U23 and Juniors.
Also, Mas and Carapaz have show they can perform at a GT level. Soler, hasn't, yet. More, in't it too risky to let Quintana and Landa go, while Valverde is in his final years in cycling,and replace them with cyclists that the team doesn't have the evidence yet, they can perform a similar level?
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In Soler defence... he hasnt really gotten the opportunity to ride for his own ambitions yet in a GT or in a lot of stage races.
He do need to kind of prove P-N wasnt a fluke. Even though he was pretty consistent last year with 3rd in Andalucia and 5th in Catalunya, 3rd the year before in 2017 also.
This year he has not been good though, so far.
In Soler defence... he hasnt really gotten the opportunity to ride for his own ambitions yet in a GT or in a lot of stage races.
He do need to kind of prove P-N wasnt a fluke. Even though he was pretty consistent last year with 3rd in Andalucia and 5th in Catalunya, 3rd the year before in 2017 also.
This year he has not been good though, so far.
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May not have a desperate need but high standard climbing domestics are always in need - And if Quintana and Landa leave along with the decline of Valverde then you lose a chunk of experience - Anyway, doubt Movistar could/would offer Nieve the salary he's receiving at Mitchelton Scott.
Blanco said:
May not have a desperate need but high standard climbing domestics are always in need - And if Quintana and Landa leave along with the decline of Valverde then you lose a chunk of experience - Anyway, doubt Movistar could/would offer Nieve the salary he's receiving at Mitchelton Scott.
- Apr 16, 2009
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There you have it, Movistar is doing it again:
https://www.velonews.com/2019/06/tour-de-france/movistar-will-return-to-tour-with-trio-of-stars_494663
Circus is back.
https://www.velonews.com/2019/06/tour-de-france/movistar-will-return-to-tour-with-trio-of-stars_494663
Circus is back.
- Aug 5, 2009
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One of them had to go to the Vuelta with Carapaz I think. Obviously the Giro result has given them confidence.
Koronin said:
One of them had to go to the Vuelta with Carapaz I think. Obviously the Giro result has given them confidence.
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Yes, better just bring one leader instead of two or three. That will help them win against Ineos.
God, that's just so unintelligent. You gotta rely on multiple leaders when you have multiple leaders. It should always be better to have one rider than two who realistically can challenge for the win, especially in a race like the Tour where the risk of crashing etc. are pretty high. They didn't do horrible last year because of that, but simply because of legs. Valverde tried, Landa tried, Quintana tried, but they werent good enough, Simples! The solution isn't not picking one of Landa and Quintana.
God, that's just so unintelligent. You gotta rely on multiple leaders when you have multiple leaders. It should always be better to have one rider than two who realistically can challenge for the win, especially in a race like the Tour where the risk of crashing etc. are pretty high. They didn't do horrible last year because of that, but simply because of legs. Valverde tried, Landa tried, Quintana tried, but they werent good enough, Simples! The solution isn't not picking one of Landa and Quintana.
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