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Hugo Koblet said:21/22 teams failed today. Why blame Movistar specifically? As opposed to the majority of the teams in the race, Movistar actually made a move for the stage win today. Was it the best strategy? Perhaps not, but atleast they tried something and I actually think that it's nice that they give some other of their riders the chance to go for stage win instead of setting it all up for Valverde every single time, in which case they would probably be hated on for riding too boring.Miburo said:Another classic movistar fail, how dumb can you be?
It looks like that's what he did:Valv.Piti said:Really shaky, the only possible explanation would be Valverde telling Moreno just to go since he didn't feel he had it today. No matter what their best opportunity to win was all-in for Valverde since Moreno isn't what he used to be.
Al final no se ha podido ganar, pero se ha intentado. Hemos tirado mucho y al final los líderes hemos quedado un poco solos, algo lógico por el desgaste. La idea era intentarlo conmigo, pero cuando se ha puesto a tirar Dani a falta de 5 km le he dicho que fuera por Frank directamente, buscando probar suerte. Con sólo él para llevar el mando hasta el final no nos la podíamos jugar. Le he mandado por delante pero Yates ha sido más fuerte
Escarabajo said:Why not bash Sky or Tinkoff for failing?
Sounds like we want to bash Movistar because Valverde is supposed to win every stage with a hill at the end. Now that's a stretch.
Flamin said:Escarabajo said:Why not bash Sky or Tinkoff for failing?
Sounds like we want to bash Movistar because Valverde is supposed to win every stage with a hill at the end. Now that's a stretch.
Sky and Tinkoff didn't fail. They're here for gc thus don't burn their team for a half-arsed attempt at a stage win.
spiritualride said:Flamin said:Escarabajo said:Why not bash Sky or Tinkoff for failing?
Sounds like we want to bash Movistar because Valverde is supposed to win every stage with a hill at the end. Now that's a stretch.
Sky and Tinkoff didn't fail. They're here for gc thus don't burn their team for a half-arsed attempt at a stage win.
Was Tinkoff not at the front at times today? They were but I don't remember for how long. Sky has been doing plenty of riding in the wind this week as well.
Flamin said:Escarabajo said:Why not bash Sky or Tinkoff for failing?
Sounds like we want to bash Movistar because Valverde is supposed to win every stage with a hill at the end. Now that's a stretch.
Sky and Tinkoff didn't fail. They're here for gc thus don't burn their team for a half-arsed attempt at a stage win.
Mr.White said:Flamin said:Escarabajo said:Why not bash Sky or Tinkoff for failing?
Sounds like we want to bash Movistar because Valverde is supposed to win every stage with a hill at the end. Now that's a stretch.
Sky and Tinkoff didn't fail. They're here for gc thus don't burn their team for a half-arsed attempt at a stage win.
And Movistar isn't here for the GC?! :surprised: They tried, it was a decent shot, but Dani lacked a little bit...
Mr.White said:Flamin said:Escarabajo said:Why not bash Sky or Tinkoff for failing?
Sounds like we want to bash Movistar because Valverde is supposed to win every stage with a hill at the end. Now that's a stretch.
Sky and Tinkoff didn't fail. They're here for gc thus don't burn their team for a half-arsed attempt at a stage win.
And Movistar isn't here for the GC?! :surprised: They tried, it was a decent shot, but Dani lacked a little bit...
Moviestar said:One of the striking moments in today's stage: after the turn of Ruben Fernandez, where was Moreno? Valverde went to the front ( perhaps wondering the same thing) and the pace in the group decreased immediately, allowing the comeback of Froome. Moreno is riding his own race?
Mr.White said:Moviestar said:One of the striking moments in today's stage: after the turn of Ruben Fernandez, where was Moreno? Valverde went to the front ( perhaps wondering the same thing) and the pace in the group decreased immediately, allowing the comeback of Froome. Moreno is riding his own race?
I think that's maybe done on purpose. They waited for Froome to make a move. Although Dani dropped down a little when Ruben drove the pace. No way Moreno is doing his own race
Moviestar said:Could be a clean sweep for Movistar at the end of the Vuelta. Quintana currently leads in the GC and Combine and is fourth in the mountain classification.Valverde has the green jersey. They also lead in the teamclassification.
They can win it the next 5 years as well, its just not very likely and there is just one obstacle; Froominator. Im of the belief that Froome was on his peak of his powers in 2013 and even a 2009 Contador couldn't beat him, but I don't see him declining much either tbf. If Quintana can do what he has done in 2016 in the Tour, he will have good chances next year. Whatever fcked his prep can't happen again - he has clearly been extremely good throughout and at least half a level above what he did in 2013'-2015, just not in the by far biggest race and objective.lenric said:They can win the TDF for the next 3 years with Quintana, even do the double, but they have yet to face the biggest challenge of today's cycling: Betancur to ride at his best.