Team Rankings - GT qualificiation

[Anonymous]

I hope im not the only one whos confused Just let race organisers invite who they want and be &^*%^%$ing done with it.

 

[auscyclefan94]

its stupid. compare it with the cq ranking (uci ranks in brackets)

1. Team HTC - Columbia PRT 8063 (6)
2. Team Saxo Bank PRT 7467 (2)
3. Liquigas - Doimo PRT 7387 (5)
4. Team Katusha PRT 6540 (3)
5. Rabobank PRT 6364 (4)
6. Team RadioShack PRT 5950 (11)
7. Astana PRT 5813 (1)
8. Garmin - Transitions PRT 5779 (10)
9. Caisse d'Epargne PRT 5481 (9)
10. Sky Professional Cycling Team PRT 4912 (16)
11. Lampre - Farnese Vini PRT 4908 (12)
12. Vacansoleil Pro Cycling Team PROF 4666 (22)
13. Euskaltel - Euskadi PRT 4514 (14)
14. OmegaPharma - Lotto PRT 4497 (8)
15. Ag2r - La Mondiale PRT 4487 (18)
16. Quick Step PRT 3930 (15)
17. Bbox - Bouygues Telecom PROF 3923 (20)
18. FDJ PRT 3842 (25)
19. Cofidis, le Credit en Ligne PROF 3794 (19)
20. BMC Racing Team PROF (7)


the more obvious anomilies are in bold

Not nesseracarily fair for people to just have a go at UCI rankings. I understand CQ rankings cover more races nut it still isn't the most reflective points ranking system for teams either.

Until I saw that list, I hadn't realised if any US teams wear red kit, the UCI gave them 500 points head start.
I mean, come on, BMC 7th, WTF? Can't see how the Shack have managed to accumulate twice the points of Sky, either.
Shiite system, but the UCI will love that league table.

I would not say the CQ rankings are that brilliant either. With Cofidis, FDJ, BBOX, quickstep and maybe ag2r being ahead of BMC is a bit of a joke.

 

[Anonymous]

I would not say the CQ rankings are that brilliant either. With Cofidis, FDJ, BBOX, quickstep and maybe ag2r being ahead of BMC is a bit of a joke.

BMC 4 wins this year

Cofidis 22 Victories
BBox 17 Victories
Quickstep 14 victories including 4 in grand tours
ag2r 17 victories

What part of BMC Being behind them is funny? (Apart from the obvious)
To be honest, i think 20th is very generous for BMC

The idea that BMC are 7th on the UCI rankings is frankly idiotic and proof that the system doesnt work. BMC 7th on 4 wins, Sky 16th on 20 wins. Ridiculous.

 

[tgsgirl]

I would not say the CQ rankings are that brilliant either. With Cofidis, FDJ, BBOX, quickstep and maybe ag2r being ahead of BMC is a bit of a joke.

BMC: 4 wins, 10 second places, 9 third places.
Cofidis: 22 wins (22!), 10 second places, 16 third places.
QST: 14 wins, 9 second places, 8 third places.
BBox: 17 wins, 14 second places, 9 third places.
FDJ: 17 wins, 13 second places, 12 third places.

Seems like you, sir, are a bit of a joke.

 

[Anonymous]

BMC: 4 wins, 10 second places, 9 third places.
Cofidis: 22 wins (22!), 10 second places, 16 third places.
QST: 14 wins, 9 second places, 8 third places.
BBox: 17 wins, 14 second places, 9 third places.
FDJ: 17 wins, 13 second places, 12 third places.

Seems like you, sir, are a bit of a joke.

Beat ya to it

By my calculations cofidis are one win short of having as many wins than BMC have had podiums

And before you say it, the quality of BMC's wins is not better, Fleche Wallone a stage in the giro and two stages in switzerland do not count better than four grand tour stages.

Im confused how bmc are in 7th.. it just doesnt fathom.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Quite a lot of Cofidis' wins were in crappy little races that mean jack ****.
Same with BBox to a lesser extent. FDJ's results are not overly "outstanding". Anyway, if BMC took some of the lesser races more seriously and entered some more little races they would have similar amounts of wins as FDJ.

btw, BMC have 5 wins BMC's results are in much mores substantial races and have quite a few strong top 5 finishes in big important races.

 

[tgsgirl]

Beat ya to it

By my calculations cofidis are one win short of having as many wins than BMC have had podiums

But I went with podiumspots, to really rub it in

 

[tgsgirl]

Anyway, if BMC took some of the lesser races more seriously and entered some more little races they would have similar amounts of wins as FDJ.

They tried to enter Dwars door Vlaanderen, and were kicked out for sending a **** team.

 

[Anonymous]

Quite a lot of Cofidis' wins were in crappy little races that mean jack ****.
Same with BBox to a lesser extent. FDJ's results are not overly "outstanding". Anyway, if BMC took some of the lesser races more seriously and entered some more little races they would have similar amounts of wins as FDJ.

btw, BMC have 5 wins BMC's results are in much mores substantial races and have quite a few strong top 5 finishes in big important races.

Ah i get it now. Youre rankings are based on what teams could have done as opposed to what they actually did. So on the basis that BMC had won some races they would be 7th in your rankings. Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.

However, on that basis in my rankings Sky are now 2nd after winning the giro and the tour (which obviously they didnt win, but the COULD HAVE WON)

Cofidis - stage in the giro, stage in paris nice, that easily equals BMC's big two wins. they they have 20 other wins to go with it.
BBOx - two stages in the tour, 1 stage in the grio, criterium international, Stage in the Dauphine.. Where do you get the idea that BMC's wins are better?
FdJ - stages in two grand tours, 4 days of dunkirk, Poland..
QS - Four grand tour stages as well as wins in Catalunya and Tirreno.

Now stop being silly and admit BMC should not be 7th and 20th is probably fair.

 

[tgsgirl]

Ah i get it now. Youre rankings are based on what teams could have done as opposed to what they actually did. So on the basis that BMC had won some races they would be 7th in your rankings. Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.

However, on that basis in my rankings Sky are now 2nd after winning the giro and the tour (which obviously they didnt win, but the COULD HAVE WON)

I put TopSport Vlaanderen first. I believe they would've won the tour, if only they were allowed to go. Thomas De Gendt would've ripped Contador apart.

 

[auscyclefan94]

They tried to enter Dwars door Vlaanderen, and were kicked out for sending a **** team.

Lets look at the spring classics races.

BBOX - 10th in RVV, 10th in LBL
BMC - 1st in fleche, 5th LBL, 9th AGR, 4th in GW and 6th in RVV
Cofidis - nothing!
FDJ - nothing!
Quickstep - 2nd RVV, 5th roubaix

 

[Anonymous]

Lets look at the spring classics races.

BBOX - 10th in RVV, 10th in LBL
BMC - 1st in fleche, 5th LBL, 9th AGR, 4th in GW and 6th in RVV
Cofidis - nothing!
FDJ - nothing!
Quickstep - 2nd RVV, 5th roubaix

But you cant base rankings purely on the spring classics. On that basis, Saxo bank lead the rankings based on results in the Luxembourg national championships.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Ah i get it now. Youre rankings are based on what teams could have done as opposed to what they actually did. So on the basis that BMC had won some races they would be 7th in your rankings. Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.

However, on that basis in my rankings Sky are now 2nd after winning the giro and the tour (which obviously they didnt win, but the COULD HAVE WON)

Cofidis - stage in the giro, stage in paris nice, that easily equals BMC's big two wins. they they have 20 other wins to go with it.
BBOx - two stages in the tour, 1 stage in the grio, criterium international, Stage in the Dauphine.. Where do you get the idea that BMC's wins are better?
FdJ - stages in two grand tours, 4 days of dunkirk, Poland..
QS - Four grand tour stages as well as wins in Catalunya and Tirreno.

Now stop being silly and admit BMC should not be 7th and 20th is probably fair.

Your being silly...you actually have to look at jerseys won and places in other big races.Tour de france and giro d italia are much different to criterium international or nokere koerse! I have to go but will continue arguing tommorow.

 

[hrotha]

Why are you even arguing? If you take Evans out of the picture BMC would have had their licence repealed by June.

 

[tgsgirl]

Lets look at the spring classics races.

BBOX - 10th in RVV, 10th in LBL
BMC - 1st in fleche, 5th LBL, 9th AGR, 4th in GW and 6th in RVV
Cofidis - nothing!
FDJ - nothing!
Quickstep - 2nd RVV, 5th roubaix

OK, so your classification is based on what actually happened in five races a season plus what could've possibly happened in all the rest? Good to know we've got a clear definition.

 

[auscyclefan94]

But you cant base rankings purely on the spring classics. On that basis, Saxo bank lead the rankings based on results in the Luxembourg national championships.

That's a hollow arguement. That CLEARLY shows BMC has had a better season than those teams just based on one day classics results.

btw, Luxembourg national championships are not during the spring

 

[auscyclefan94]

OK, so your classification is based on what actually happened in five races a season plus what could've possibly happened in all the rest? Good to know we've got a clear definition.

Well cycling teams want to get results in the big classics. I was just highlighting that in the classics BMC were better. We could compare RVV with noekere koerse and compare the tour de france with the ****ing tour of poland! That's your logic!

 

[Anonymous]

Well cycling teams want to get results in the big classics. I was just highlighting that in the classics BMC were better. We could compare RVV with noekere koerse and compare the tour de france with the ****ing tour of poland! That's your logic!

but ive already pointed out the teams you mention have multiple grand tour stage wins, wins in tirreno, dauphine, paris nice...

I included poland etc because i beleive they are on a par with half of bmc's wins which came in the tour of switzerland.
If we remove pointless wins BMC's situation is even more dire.

Its ok to support a crap team you know. There is no need to defend them.

if its any consolation my wife thinks youre really funny and quiet sweet with your arguments.

 

[sublimit]

BMC: 4 wins, 10 second places, 9 third places.
Cofidis: 22 wins (22!), 10 second places, 16 third places.
QST: 14 wins, 9 second places, 8 third places.
BBox: 17 wins, 14 second places, 9 third places.
FDJ: 17 wins, 13 second places, 12 third places.

Seems like you, sir, are a bit of a joke.

Indeed, And shows why its a mistake for Taylor Phinney and Cancellara to join this team.

Great ranking owing to Evans but the team are rubbish.

 

[auscyclefan94]

but ive already pointed out the teams you mention have multiple grand tour stage wins, wins in tirreno, dauphine, paris nice...

I included poland etc because i beleive they are on a par with half of bmc's wins which came in the tour of switzerland.
If we remove pointless wins BMC's situation is even more dire.

Its ok to support a crap team you know. There is no need to defend them.

The only "pointless" win BMC have is in the tour of utah where they one a stage. I don't see how stage win in the giro d italia (one of toughest most epic stage wins in a gt ever), fleche wallone and two stages of the tour de suisse is pointless. Anyway, wins don't completely paint the picture of a good season. look at jerseys (yellow and pink for bmc ), classification wins in stage races (mulitple wins for bmc) and general top 10 results in big and important races and then it will paint you a clearer picture.

Dim, I would hate for you to have another hissy fit and cancel your account over someone calling you or your wife a name (tell her about that) and picking on poor wigans.

 

[hrotha]

Indeed, And shows why its a mistake for Taylor Phinney and Cancellara to join this team.

Great ranking owing to Evans but the team are rubbish.

I don't know about that, Katyusha also had a crap team back in the day but they had the money and the will to build it up, and they did.

 

[Anonymous]

The only "pointless" win BMC have is in the tour of utah where they one a stage. I don't see how stage win in the giro d italia blah blah blah.

thought you said you had things to do

 

[sublimit]

I don't know about that, Katyusha also had a crap team back in the day but they had the money and the will to build it up, and they did.

Maybe, but they need several more riders of better quality than they have at the moment to be a reasonable team for next year I reckon.

 

[auscyclefan94]

thought you said you had things to do

Well, I am here to discuss with you. Please don't cancel your account over this. Actually rebut my points please.

 

[Anonymous]

Well, I am here to discuss with you. Please don't cancel your account over this. Actually rebut my points please.

Why would i go anywhere. I think your arguments today are hilarious. Youve hit a whole new level of humour this evening Im off anyway. .gonna run a bath and then take the bike out.