Team sizes finalised for World Championship

[Netserk]

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I think people are putting way too much hope on crosswinds. And the idea of a long, hot day in the saddle being too much for Kittel and Cav doesn't wash for me.

Kittel's stage win in this year's Tour was on the longest and one of the hottest days. 232km. There is very little to suggest that his effectiveness deteriorates as races get longer. Hillier, yes. Longer, no.
Cavendish has won MSR and the WCRR over endurance distances.

This is going to be a sprint, with Cav, Kittel/Greipel to the fore. You might as well accept it now rather than being disappointed on the day

I point you to Copenhagen. 266km, Cancellara almost beat Greipel in the sprint. Then throw in the heat, and you can see why this isn't necessarily Kittel v Cav. Over this distance, I'd actually have Kristoff as one of the top favourites if it was in super cool conditions, even though in a Tour stage he'd be a 2nd tier sprinter, along with Sagan Bouhanni Viviani etc

Well, it wasn't a flat finish (575m @ 3.7%). I don't think Cancellara would have done much worse that year if the race was 40km shorter.

 

[DNP-Old]

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Gaviria is riding with the U23's, and he'll have plenty of decent help.

Really? A little undercooked endurace wise after Rio, maybe? Interesting, as Viviani and Cav are probably in the same boat.

That decision had already been made as early as May.

Source? There have been several articles/interviews during the year in which he was in doubt and I believe last time he said he thought he was going to start in the elite race.

He said it on RMC, I know that for sure. I'll try to find the article.

http://www.revistamundociclistico.com/ruta/20890-fernando-gaviria-sufre-accidente-casero-pero-viaja-a-europa-iniciando-preparacion-final-hacia-juegos-olimpicos-de-brasil.html

Como parte de su temporada este año en el máximo nivel del ciclismo mundial, el destacado ciclista colombiano anuncia su presencia en el campeonato mundial de ruta en Qatar pero competirá en la categoría sub-23 (Octubre 14), acudiendo a las modificaciones de la UCI para esta prueba que permiten a corredores de menos de 23 años que pertenezcan a equipos World Tour tomar parte en el Mundial de ruta a condición de que no hayan corrido el mundial élite anteriormente.

 

[Ruudz0r]

Hmm okay, I saw this article 2 weeks ago: http://www.revistamundociclistico.com/ruta/21665-los-nuevos-objetivos-son-el-tour-de-lavenir-y-el-mundial-de-ruta-de-doha-catar-carlos-mario-jaramillo.html

My Spanish is not great but it speaks about the Worlds and Gaviria it doesnt speficify U23 or Elite but with the other names he mentions it sounds like he is talking just about the elites Worlds.

 

[yaco]

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I think it could end up being a pretty hard race. 260km long, 150km through open desert with a decent chance of crosswinds, and temperatures reaching close to 40 degrees. Plus, strong teams like Holland, Belgium, Spain and Switzerland all trying everything to avoid a straight up sprint.

It will be much, much harder to win than any of the Tour de France stages that Cavendish took. I think it favours the more rounded sprinters like Kristoff, Degenkolb and Sagan, who have proven they can last the distance and handle difficulties within a race.

Don't think the Dutch will go with Dylan or DVP? On the other note France, Italy, GB, Australia and Norway will all bring teams committed to a sprint.

Would be ridiculous for either of those teams to ride commited to a sprint. Sure, take Nizzolo, Matthews or whoever else in case it ends in a sprint. But they're not going to win an easy race; both countries would be much better taking a punt on a late solo attack or at least trying to make it a harder, more selective race. Same for the Dutch - they're much better off trying to make a more selective race, particularly if there is some kind of wind.

It will be a one day race / monument specialist that wins this. Kittel has no chance, Greipel very little chance and I don't think Cavendish has that distance in his legs any more - GB should probably be riding for Swift or Thomas.

Australia - I worry about Brad McGee's ability to select the best balanced team and use effective strategy on the day - Ewan will be the number one protected rider - Unsure who will be plan B.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Give me another Nacer vs Ewan showdown please.

 

[carton]

Brayan Ramirez it is, along with Gaviria, Uran, Avila, Pantano, Vargas, Alzate, Mendoza and...Chaves. I guess they saw he won today's Vuelta moral bunch sprint and decided to give him the spot

 

[Durden93]

Why do people believe that if the crosswinds play a big role that Cav won't win? The British team will be as strong as any there and they can keep Cav in position/split the field if need be. Is the general consensus that Cav is effected more by a poor leadout than other sprinters?

 

[MatParker117]

Adam Blythe, Ben Swift, Ian Stannard, Dan McLay, Luke Rowe, Geraint Thomas, Scott Thwaites, Alex Dowsett and Steve Cummings are apparrently on the GB long list with Cav and four others.

 

[Durden93]

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Adam Blythe, Ben Swift, Ian Stannard, Dan McLay, Luke Rowe, Geraint Thomas, Scott Thwaites, Alex Dowsett and Steve Cummings are apparrently on the GB long list with Cav and four others.

I've always assumed that the answer has been yes, but has Froome actually said that he'll ride for Cav or is he entirely focused on the TT?

 

[carton]

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I've always assumed that the answer has been yes, but has Froome actually said that he'll ride for Cav or is he entirely focused on the TT?

Froome isn't doing Qatar. I think it's Dowsett and Thomas for the ITT, though Cummings is angling for a spot.

 

[42x16ss]

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I think it could end up being a pretty hard race. 260km long, 150km through open desert with a decent chance of crosswinds, and temperatures reaching close to 40 degrees. Plus, strong teams like Holland, Belgium, Spain and Switzerland all trying everything to avoid a straight up sprint.

It will be much, much harder to win than any of the Tour de France stages that Cavendish took. I think it favours the more rounded sprinters like Kristoff, Degenkolb and Sagan, who have proven they can last the distance and handle difficulties within a race.

Don't think the Dutch will go with Dylan or DVP? On the other note France, Italy, GB, Australia and Norway will all bring teams committed to a sprint.

Would be ridiculous for either of those teams to ride commited to a sprint. Sure, take Nizzolo, Matthews or whoever else in case it ends in a sprint. But they're not going to win an easy race; both countries would be much better taking a punt on a late solo attack or at least trying to make it a harder, more selective race. Same for the Dutch - they're much better off trying to make a more selective race, particularly if there is some kind of wind.

It will be a one day race / monument specialist that wins this. Kittel has no chance, Greipel very little chance and I don't think Cavendish has that distance in his legs any more - GB should probably be riding for Swift or Thomas.

Australia - I worry about Brad McGee's ability to select the best balanced team and use effective strategy on the day - Ewan will be the number one protected rider - Unsure who will be plan B.

Matthews should be plan B, or Haussler if he's not available. The rest will be tow motors such as Durbridge, Hepburn, Docker and Hansen.

I'm going to make a left of field call and say that the winner is currently racing the Vuelta, and everyone avoiding the heat will struggle.

 

[Billie]

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Australia - I worry about Brad McGee's ability to select the best balanced team and use effective strategy on the day - Ewan will be the number one protected rider - Unsure who will be plan B.

the guy weighs what? 55 kilos? Why'd you even take him. he has no chance to survive it.

For the Dutch Terpstra should be their leader no doubt.

 

[42x16ss]

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Australia - I worry about Brad McGee's ability to select the best balanced team and use effective strategy on the day - Ewan will be the number one protected rider - Unsure who will be plan B.

the guy weighs what? 55 kilos? Why'd you even take him. he has no chance to survive it.

For the Dutch Terpstra should be their leader no doubt.

1. He's the only Australian with the outright speed to have any real chance in a bunch sprint. He's beaten everyone bar Kittel at some point in the last two years.

2. Experience

However, if for some stupid reason he and Gaviria are eligible, Ewan should go for the U23 race. The Dutch should be taking Van Poppel and/or Groenewegen for the same reasons

 

[Vroome.exe]

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Australia - I worry about Brad McGee's ability to select the best balanced team and use effective strategy on the day - Ewan will be the number one protected rider - Unsure who will be plan B.

the guy weighs what? 55 kilos? Why'd you even take him. he has no chance to survive it.

For the Dutch Terpstra should be their leader no doubt.

1. He's the only Australian with the outright speed to have any real chance in a bunch sprint. He's beaten everyone bar Kittel at some point in the last two years.

2. Experience

However, if for some stupid reason he and Gaviria are eligible, Ewan should go for the U23 race. The Dutch should be taking Van Poppel and/or Groenewegen for the same reasons

Gaviria says hi.

 

[avanti]

TTT
So the UCI will help eight teams compete by giving them 2,000 Euros.
Big deal - that may cover the expenses for one rider.

It would be smarter to hold the TTT in Europe (how about adding this event to the Cronos des Nations?).

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/eight-worldtour-teams-to-participate-at-worlds-team-time-trial/

 

[claude cat]

Australian teams announced.

http://www.cycling.org.au/News/All-News/australian-team-for-2016-uci-road-world-championships


Zak DEMPSTER (VIC)
Rohan DENNIS (SA) - Time Trial
Luke DURBRIDGE (WA) - Time Trial & Road Race
Mitchell DOCKER (VIC)
Caleb EWAN (NSW)
Adam HANSEN (QLD)
Heinrich HAUSSLER (NSW)
Mathew HAYMAN (ACT)
Michael MATTHEWS (ACT)
Mark RENSHAW (NSW)

 

[42x16ss]

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Australia - I worry about Brad McGee's ability to select the best balanced team and use effective strategy on the day - Ewan will be the number one protected rider - Unsure who will be plan B.

the guy weighs what? 55 kilos? Why'd you even take him. he has no chance to survive it.

For the Dutch Terpstra should be their leader no doubt.

1. He's the only Australian with the outright speed to have any real chance in a bunch sprint. He's beaten everyone bar Kittel at some point in the last two years.

2. Experience

However, if for some stupid reason he and Gaviria are eligible, Ewan should go for the U23 race. The Dutch should be taking Van Poppel and/or Groenewegen for the same reasons

Gaviria says hi.

You sure? He did beat him as an U23 though.

 

[42x16ss]

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Australian teams announced.

http://www.cycling.org.au/News/All-News/australian-team-for-2016-uci-road-world-championships


Zak DEMPSTER (VIC)
Rohan DENNIS (SA) - Time Trial
Luke DURBRIDGE (WA) - Time Trial & Road Race
Mitchell DOCKER (VIC)
Caleb EWAN (NSW)
Adam HANSEN (QLD)
Heinrich HAUSSLER (NSW)
Mathew HAYMAN (ACT)
Michael MATTHEWS (ACT)
Mark RENSHAW (NSW)

Is it just me, or is having Haussler and Matthews a bit redundant?

 

[42x16ss]

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TTT
So the UCI will help eight teams compete by giving them 2,000 Euros.
Big deal - that may cover the expenses for one rider.

It would be smarter to hold the TTT in Europe (how about adding this event to the Cronos des Nations?).

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/eight-worldtour-teams-to-participate-at-worlds-team-time-trial/

Just bring back the Eindhoven TTT

 

[claude cat]

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Australian teams announced.

http://www.cycling.org.au/News/All-News/australian-team-for-2016-uci-road-world-championships


Zak DEMPSTER (VIC)
Rohan DENNIS (SA) - Time Trial
Luke DURBRIDGE (WA) - Time Trial & Road Race
Mitchell DOCKER (VIC)
Caleb EWAN (NSW)
Adam HANSEN (QLD)
Heinrich HAUSSLER (NSW)
Mathew HAYMAN (ACT)
Michael MATTHEWS (ACT)
Mark RENSHAW (NSW)

Is it just me, or is having Haussler and Matthews a bit redundant?

Similar, I just guess it gives them more options? Haussler is likely to be less marked than Matthews.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Fernando Gaviria Rendón (Etixx Quick Step)

Rigoberto Urán Urán (Cannondale)

Edwin Alcibiades Ávila Vanegas (Team Illuminate)

Carlos Eduardo Alzate Escobar (United HealtCare)

Jarlinson Pantano Gómez (IAM Cycling)

Jhoan Esteban Chaves Rubio (Orica BikeExchange)

Walter Alejandro Vargas Alzate (Orgullo Antioqueño)

Omar Alberto Mendoza Alzate (Movistar Team América)

Brayan Steven Ramírez Chacón (Movistar Team América)


list of colombian riders for the world championships. last 3 will also do the itt is my bet

 

[Alexandre B.]

There's only two spots per nation for the TT.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

not for colombia, they have the pan american champion with walter vargas, so he's automatically qualified

 

[StryderHells]

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Australian teams announced.

http://www.cycling.org.au/News/All-News/australian-team-for-2016-uci-road-world-championships


Zak DEMPSTER (VIC)
Rohan DENNIS (SA) - Time Trial
Luke DURBRIDGE (WA) - Time Trial & Road Race
Mitchell DOCKER (VIC)
Caleb EWAN (NSW)
Adam HANSEN (QLD)
Heinrich HAUSSLER (NSW)
Mathew HAYMAN (ACT)
Michael MATTHEWS (ACT)
Mark RENSHAW (NSW)

Is it just me, or is having Haussler and Matthews a bit redundant?

Similar, I just guess it gives them more options? Haussler is likely to be less marked than Matthews.

If the winds are up and the race is on then Ewan wont to make it to the finish so Matthews and to a lesser extent Haussler makes sense, having Hayman in the squad is great as he'll at least have that riders organised on the road and positioned correctly. I wonder which one of that group they send out into the break of the day, Durbridge seems like the logical choice and make the stronger sprinters teams do the donkey work bringing the break back. Australia really shouldn't be committing everything to the sprint as they just aren't strong enough

 

[42x16ss]

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Australian teams announced.

http://www.cycling.org.au/News/All-News/australian-team-for-2016-uci-road-world-championships


Zak DEMPSTER (VIC)
Rohan DENNIS (SA) - Time Trial
Luke DURBRIDGE (WA) - Time Trial & Road Race
Mitchell DOCKER (VIC)
Caleb EWAN (NSW)
Adam HANSEN (QLD)
Heinrich HAUSSLER (NSW)
Mathew HAYMAN (ACT)
Michael MATTHEWS (ACT)
Mark RENSHAW (NSW)

Is it just me, or is having Haussler and Matthews a bit redundant?

Similar, I just guess it gives them more options? Haussler is likely to be less marked than Matthews.

If the winds are up and the race is on then Ewan wont to make it to the finish so Matthews and to a lesser extent Haussler makes sense, having Hayman in the squad is great as he'll at least have that riders organised on the road and positioned correctly. I wonder which one of that group they send out into the break of the day, Durbridge seems like the logical choice and make the stronger sprinters teams do the donkey work bringing the break back. Australia really shouldn't be committing everything to the sprint as they just aren't strong enough

As a whole the team is one of the strongest, with good rouleurs and lead out men. The only problem is Ewan lasting 260kms, and Matthews/Haussler's finishing speed if he doesn't. The rest of the team is dialled.