Team Sky and BC Books.

[thehog]

Re: Re:

What does - they aren't "getting rich", mean?

They are getting paid for it which is what matters. They don't do it out of charity.

It is income for them.

Getting paid >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not getting paid.

And to the point of the thread; Wiggins getting on a serious program from 2009 to 2012 has netted him very well. There is plenty of upside to doping, not a lot of downside

He would rather stack shelves in tesco though.

LOL, yes! Doping is only for the French or Italians.

I suspect Wiggins will have nightmares in years to come about winning that Tour. One of the most obvious displays of doping and orchestrating a selected winner in Tour history.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

Eek! I was wrong. £50k for Sir Brad.

http://www.nmplive.co.uk/sir-bradley-wiggins-cbe

That would be for an hours talk?

Not bad.

It will of course decline over the years.

 

[The Carrot]

Re:

Brailsford hates anyone getting too successful. All the team pursuit coaches were moved on, Peters was moved on. He's tried to shaft Sutton a few times but couldn't quite get the better of him. I guess dealing with people like Sutton isn't covered in his MBA!

Well Sutton was forced out of team Sky and Sky have split from British Cycling now Brailsford's left, so something's going on. I wouldn't feel too sorry for Sutton though, he's a real 'piece of work', think Prince Joffrey from Game of Thrones and you won't be far off the mark. In fact Game of Thrones is a good parallel for the day-to-day running of British Cycling, everyone is constantly trying to crap on everyone else for power and money. At the bottom of it all are the riders, uneducated kids whose ambition is fed upon by the hierarchy. Would I encourage my kids to take up pro sport? Would I F..k!

 

[bobbins]

There's a whole new industry set up around the team sky myth. Acolytes like the Sky sports airheads banging on about how clean they are, Richard Moore spouting the same nonsense whilst ghost writing books. There's Walsh of course plus all the hangers on that are on the periphery that need the clean myth to keep their own income streams coming in. From the companies running the London 6 day, the Revolution events, the Ride with the Team days that Jaguar run, cycling holidays endorsed by the team and riders, zwift and their deification of Jens and rumoured forthcoming partnership with CTS, journalists and their need for rider access leading to puff pieces in the press.

As long as there is money to be made out of how clean and great Team Sky are, their dirty secrets will not get out. Kimmage alone can't do it and given how powerful the current media are at pushing the clean agenda, he wouldn't be able to.

 

[The Carrot]

Re: Re:

What does - they aren't "getting rich", mean?

They are getting paid for it which is what matters. They don't do it out of charity.

It is income for them.

Getting paid >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not getting paid.

And to the point of the thread; Wiggins getting on a serious program from 2009 to 2012 has netted him very well. There is plenty of upside to doping, not a lot of downside

He would rather stack shelves in tesco though.

Well played.

 

[fmk_RoI]

The reason behind so many books....

The reason behind so many books....

....the journalism defence.

UKAD have allowed BBC's Mark Daly to skate after his very public admission of using EPO:

MD possessed and used EPO as part of an investigatory piece of journalism. As a matter of public policy investigative journalism should not be stifled by unnecessarily exposing journalists to the risk of disciplinary action.

Compare and contrast this response with USADA's action when Adrew Tilin admitted using testosterone while researching a book on doping... http://www.podiumcafe.com/2011/11/22/2580086/andrew-tilin-the-doper-next-door

 

[bobbins]

Re: The reason behind so many books....

The reason behind so many books....

....the journalism defence.

UKAD have allowed BBC's Mark Daly to skate after his very public admission of using EPO:

MD possessed and used EPO as part of an investigatory piece of journalism. As a matter of public policy investigative journalism should not be stifled by unnecessarily exposing journalists to the risk of disciplinary action.

Compare and contrast this response with USADA's action when Adrew Tilin admitted using testosterone while researching a book on doping... http://www.podiumcafe.com/2011/11/22/2580086/andrew-tilin-the-doper-next-door

Surely the UKADA is using common sense, are USADA trying to discourage people from making their processes look as weak as they really are?

 

[Ramon Koran]

Re:

I see "Racer - life on the Road" by Saint Dafydd of Millar is out. I had a look at the few pages allowed free on Amazon. There are no reviews and I was tempted to buy it and post up a first crap review to set the scene for what should follow, but wont, even though the temptation is great. I need to read the book to review it and I don't think my current constitution is up to reading the book, let alone gifting St David something I actually worked to get.

By god he is a pretentious prat. A poem quote from Tennyson and then "I wrote this book so my children would know what their daddy did".

Let me help you out a bit there St David, something seems to be getting lost in getting those words on the page.

This is yet another cynical attempt by me to, yet again, exploit the gullible idiots out there who, currently, seem only too willing to part with their money and purchase books on British cycling, in the completely deluded notion that somehow reading about something they have little idea about and having purchased an overpriced replica racing bike and outfit, they somehow think they will morph their life to a better place, one in which they can be closer to their "heroes". Oh and I need to keep fueling the myth that I am a tireless campaigner for the new drug free cycling which the sport has now become. And if I can add credibility to that by bringing my children into it - well so much the better. Suckers, they are all suckers.

The pages I read were so obnoxious that I felt like stealing Blackcats "Muscular Christianity" moniker and weaving it in somehow.

I don't see the problem with him, he gives an honest and in-depth view into the meessed up world of procycling in the late 90's and early 2000's, if anything he is helping everyone understand what it all really is about and maybe stop people being so judgemental towards "dopers". David's books are in my opinion a great service to cycling and really put stuff into perspective.

 

[wendybnt]

I really enjoyed his other book. One of the most well-written cycling books I have read. Yes, he's a bit of a bouffant arrogant prat, but nobody is perfect....except maybe FreddytheFrog of course

He's got to make a living and I don't begrudge him that. Nor do I personally hold him responsible for any of the travails with which cycling has suffered. He just chose a job that meant taking drugs if you wanted to keep the job. Just like the rest of them.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Honesty by omission.

...

Wait, what!?

 

[Benotti69]

Millar is the worst kind of omerta'ist.

 

[wendybnt]

Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't.

But his first book was a good read. I enjoyed it.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Re:

Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't.

But his first book was a good read. I enjoyed it.

Glad you enjoyed it. You should enjoy the new one too.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-LIVESTRONG-WRIST-BAND-LANCE-ARMSTRONG-YELLOW-L-XL-/111285267145?hash=item19e91e6ac9

645 sold, more than 10 left One sold in the last hour - !!!!! Who !!!!! Why !!!!!!!!

I still meet people who are baffled that Lance could have deceived them. I don't know what they have done with their copies of his books. Previously they thought I was a doom-laden sour-puss. Now they just don't want to talk to me.

 

[wendybnt]

Are you the sort of person who watches a sci-fi movie complaining that it is far-fetched and unrealistic?



(but yeah, there are still some people who don't know that Livestrong bands are c**k rings for your arms)

 

[oldcrank]

Looking forward to young Super G's book, but I think I'll wait
until Christmas just in case Santa Claus gets my letter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoBDfERiIWQ

 

[brokebiker]

Re: Re:

I see "Racer - life on the Road" by Saint Dafydd of Millar is out. I had a look at the few pages allowed free on Amazon. There are no reviews and I was tempted to buy it and post up a first crap review to set the scene for what should follow, but wont, even though the temptation is great. I need to read the book to review it and I don't think my current constitution is up to reading the book, let alone gifting St David something I actually worked to get.

By god he is a pretentious prat. A poem quote from Tennyson and then "I wrote this book so my children would know what their daddy did".

Let me help you out a bit there St David, something seems to be getting lost in getting those words on the page.

This is yet another cynical attempt by me to, yet again, exploit the gullible idiots out there who, currently, seem only too willing to part with their money and purchase books on British cycling, in the completely deluded notion that somehow reading about something they have little idea about and having purchased an overpriced replica racing bike and outfit, they somehow think they will morph their life to a better place, one in which they can be closer to their "heroes". Oh and I need to keep fueling the myth that I am a tireless campaigner for the new drug free cycling which the sport has now become. And if I can add credibility to that by bringing my children into it - well so much the better. Suckers, they are all suckers.

The pages I read were so obnoxious that I felt like stealing Blackcats "Muscular Christianity" moniker and weaving it in somehow.

I don't see the problem with him, he gives an honest and in-depth view into the meessed up world of procycling in the late 90's and early 2000's, if anything he is helping everyone understand what it all really is about and maybe stop people being so judgemental towards "dopers". David's books are in my opinion a great service to cycling and really put stuff into perspective.

You wouldn't. The post by ftf is aimed directly at you.
*Cue the theme to Chariots of fire!

 

[JimmyFingers]

Re: Re:

I see "Racer - life on the Road" by Saint Dafydd of Millar is out. I had a look at the few pages allowed free on Amazon. There are no reviews and I was tempted to buy it and post up a first crap review to set the scene for what should follow, but wont, even though the temptation is great. I need to read the book to review it and I don't think my current constitution is up to reading the book, let alone gifting St David something I actually worked to get.

By god he is a pretentious prat. A poem quote from Tennyson and then "I wrote this book so my children would know what their daddy did".

Let me help you out a bit there St David, something seems to be getting lost in getting those words on the page.

This is yet another cynical attempt by me to, yet again, exploit the gullible idiots out there who, currently, seem only too willing to part with their money and purchase books on British cycling, in the completely deluded notion that somehow reading about something they have little idea about and having purchased an overpriced replica racing bike and outfit, they somehow think they will morph their life to a better place, one in which they can be closer to their "heroes". Oh and I need to keep fueling the myth that I am a tireless campaigner for the new drug free cycling which the sport has now become. And if I can add credibility to that by bringing my children into it - well so much the better. Suckers, they are all suckers.

The pages I read were so obnoxious that I felt like stealing Blackcats "Muscular Christianity" moniker and weaving it in somehow.

I don't see the problem with him, he gives an honest and in-depth view into the meessed up world of procycling in the late 90's and early 2000's, if anything he is helping everyone understand what it all really is about and maybe stop people being so judgemental towards "dopers". David's books are in my opinion a great service to cycling and really put stuff into perspective.

You wouldn't. The post by ftf is aimed directly at you.
*Cue the theme to Chariots of fire!

Care to elaborate on the Chariots of Fire remark? What exactly are you sayiong?

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

I see "Racer - life on the Road" by Saint Dafydd of Millar is out. I had a look at the few pages allowed free on Amazon. There are no reviews and I was tempted to buy it and post up a first crap review to set the scene for what should follow, but wont, even though the temptation is great. I need to read the book to review it and I don't think my current constitution is up to reading the book, let alone gifting St David something I actually worked to get.

By god he is a pretentious prat. A poem quote from Tennyson and then "I wrote this book so my children would know what their daddy did".

Let me help you out a bit there St David, something seems to be getting lost in getting those words on the page.

This is yet another cynical attempt by me to, yet again, exploit the gullible idiots out there who, currently, seem only too willing to part with their money and purchase books on British cycling, in the completely deluded notion that somehow reading about something they have little idea about and having purchased an overpriced replica racing bike and outfit, they somehow think they will morph their life to a better place, one in which they can be closer to their "heroes". Oh and I need to keep fueling the myth that I am a tireless campaigner for the new drug free cycling which the sport has now become. And if I can add credibility to that by bringing my children into it - well so much the better. Suckers, they are all suckers.

The pages I read were so obnoxious that I felt like stealing Blackcats "Muscular Christianity" moniker and weaving it in somehow.

I don't see the problem with him, he gives an honest and in-depth view into the meessed up world of procycling in the late 90's and early 2000's, if anything he is helping everyone understand what it all really is about and maybe stop people being so judgemental towards "dopers". David's books are in my opinion a great service to cycling and really put stuff into perspective.

You wouldn't. The post by ftf is aimed directly at you.
*Cue the theme to Chariots of fire!

Care to elaborate on the Chariots of Fire remark? What exactly are you sayiong?

Why bother asking him jimmy? Why not just do like you usually do: guess what he meant and use that to accuse the entire clinic of being racist

 

[JimmyFingers]

haha are you serious with that post? So fond of calling other people trolls yet you try to create a strawman, Mr Post-National? I asked for clarification on a remark, like the one I asked from you about Sky's bullying. These are simple questions that you choose to either ignore or subvert.

 

[oldcrank]

Anyone else going to see/hear The G-Man October 28th in London?
https://www.waterstones.com/events/an-evening-with-geraint-thomas/london-piccadilly
I'm looking forward to a fun and informative night out!

 

[The Carrot]

'The World of Cycling According to G'.

That'll be the world that Sutton and Brailsford tell him to portray then.

 

[blackcat]

garp garp

#johnirving
#gulp

 

[Ramon Koran]

Why shouldn't he write a book he has a great life story i'm sure and achieved lots, it will be an interesting wread, i order it hate the negativity in this thread towards people who have worked hard and know earning the fruits from it.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Well John Wilcockson put out 12 books on Lance on his own with his last eulogy hitting the shelves in late 2012, after the reasoned decision. (I bet he was proud of that !) I wonder has anyone got a figure for just how many "Lance is god on Earth - knowing him changed my life" books were published before the fall from grace ? And then there were his hangers on who added how many ? And against this avalanche of collective idiocy were just how many anti-Lance books during this time ? Three ?

So right now how far along the path are we with the pro "BC/Sky Sir David Brailsford and Shane Sutton are the geniusses of cycling let's bow before them" and "oh Sir Brad how could you" and "Froome was winning races in sandals with a carrier on the back of his bike" ? About half way through the Lance total ?

And how many anti Brailsford BC/Sky books are there right now ?

It will be interesting to see just how big the total of Enid Blytonesque - the famous five go cycle racing - gets before the card house crashes down. On the basis that they have had a model failure before and they are spending serious money keeping most of the possible critics sweet, they should be able to get three times the amount of books out there before it all goes wrong. In fact with Cookson aiding and adding it might well be four or five times the titles, We need a pair of score cards to compare and contrast.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re:

Well John Wilcockson put out 12 books on Lance on his own with his last eulogy hitting the shelves in late 2012, after the reasoned decision. (I bet he was proud of that !)

Would that be Lance Armstrong: The Worlds Greatest Champion, originally released in 2009?