Team Visma LAB

[SHAD0W93]

hearing rumors that Chris Horner was working with uhhhhhhhh TotalEnergies or something

No wonder they’ve been riding like knuckleheads

 

[DoYouEvenRideBruh]

I listen to their podcast from time to time. They usually have decent takes, and Patrick is quite good at breaking down tactics and show them in a digestible, entertaining format. But yeah, this is quite bad.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

I still don’t find the issue. If they didn’t say that out loud, nobody would notice. Calm down, I find them unbiased.

 

[Ricco']

The Benji Naesen situation is hilarious.

Someone asked him on a reply why the announcement now and not a february, and the answer is very laughable: roles new in the sport and team wants to create hidden advantage.

What an innovation, a tactical consultant and a video analyst. Would have thought before to analyse videos of competitions and have tactical knowledge.

Well, now it's no wonder we get a feeling we are seeing someone play Pro Cycling Manager in easy difficulty when looking at Jumbo Visma. They are only following the tactical guidance of the PCM youtube vlogger.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

The Benji Naesen situation is hilarious.

Someone asked him on a reply why the announcement now and not a february, and the answer is very laughable: roles new in the sport and team wants to create hidden advantage.

What an innovation, a tactical consultant and a video analyst. Would have thought before to analyse videos of competitions and have tactical knowledge.

Well, now it's no wonder we get a feeling we are seeing someone play Pro Cycling Manager in easy difficulty when looking at Jumbo Visma. They are only following the tactical guidance of the PCM youtube vlogger.

PCM tactics replicated in real life.

 

[PhiLiz]

Ok, apparently wellknown cycling analyst and cycling youtuber Benji Naessen has been working as a video analysist and tactical analysist for Jumbo….

My God, no wonder why no one talks critical of their performances…

I am losing my joy for cycling rapidly now.

Even the podcasts I watch are apparently linked to the most suspicious team in the recent history.

But yeah Benji is still objective on social media. Yeah riiiiight….

Lanterne Rouge also turned into a joke as soon as the dollars started pouring in. Even deleted some (not all, last time I checked) old videos about clearly mutant performances where he mocked known or heavily suspected dopers.

Kind of predictable tbh.

 

[fbjim]

I still don’t find the issue. If they didn’t say that out loud, nobody would notice. Calm down, I find them unbiased.

They had press passes at the Tour, and were producing podcasts to readers/listeners.

 

[Fantastico]

I still don’t find the issue. If they didn’t say that out loud, nobody would notice. Calm down, I find them unbiased.

Let me ask you this: If there is no issue and there are no conflicts of interest, why did they keep it a secret until today? By keeping it a secret until the Tour win is in the bag, they basically admitted themselves that there was an issue.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

They had press passes at the Tour, and were producing podcasts to readers/listeners.

Yes, I am aware. However, they have not been biased this year. May be unethical, but so is most of the peloton. Most teams probably have one of this job, or starting to implement that. I’m sure they want it hidden as well. I understand people being angry but this is overblown.

 

[Ricco']

They had press passes at the Tour, and were producing podcasts to readers/listeners.

Possible with facilitated access to other teams/riders.

Imagine in the business world, someone on the service of a big bank/industry going disguised as a journo to another competitor. The amount of lawsuits that would follow.

 

[fbjim]

Do you think they would have accused a Jumbo-Visma rider of fabricating Strava data?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1549868076816105472

View: https://twitter.com/medicinexthings/status/1549868076816105472?s=20&t=C0fUhikmAOQZ9Kr_SRfBlw

 

[PhiLiz]

Yes, I am aware. However, they have not been biased this year. May be unethical, but so is most of the peloton. Most teams probably have one of this job, or starting to implement that. I’m sure they want it hidden as well. I understand people being angry but this is overblown.

Every team has people doing that kind of job.

But having it disguised as a media member with unique access to their competition, is the problem. And, as far as we know, Jumbo is the only one doing that.

Them being biased/unbiased in their podcast is not the main concern here.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

So someone employed by Jumbo operating under the guise of being an independent journalist, and with special access granted as such, publicly accused a rival from another team of doping or lying, but has no problem with what Vingegaard and Wout have done…completely unbiased and ethical

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Every team has people doing that kind of job.

But having it disguised as a media member with unique access to their competition, is the problem. And, as far as we know, Jumbo is the only one doing that.

Them being biased/unbiased in their podcast is not the main concern here.

I understand, but I feel like it might not even be their decision to tell everybody. I’m still astounded that some people are being angry, but I understand the logic behind it.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Jakobsen said he was struggling early in the stage, seeing a green “motorcycle” destroying the peloton on front.

thats not different from how the CX world felt for years when VDP and Van Aert would destroy the field within lap 1 though

 

[Fantastico]

Yes, I am aware. However, they have not been biased this year. May be unethical, but so is most of the peloton. Most teams probably have one of this job, or starting to implement that. I’m sure they want it hidden as well. I understand people being angry but this is overblown.

So if some minister for economic affairs would be lobbying/working for a big company without public knowledge, would you also not see an issue there, just based on your perspective that he/she has not been biased in his/her decisions?

The problem is not if someone acted biased this year or not (which is hard to detect anyway). The problem is that with a conflict of interest, the person in question cannot rule out to act biased, and if this conflict of interest is not publicly known, the public may still assume that this person acts unbiased, even if he/she follows some hidden agenda.

 

[fbjim]

I understand, but I feel like it might not even be their decision to tell everybody. I’m still astounded that some people are being angry, but I understand the logic behind it.

Employment conflicts of interest (ie you are being paid by someone you are purportedly reporting about) are about as severe as conflicts of interest get.

 

[PhiLiz]

I understand, but I feel like it might not even be their decision to tell everybody. I’m still astounded that some people are being angry, but I understand the logic behind it.

It's for sure their decision to go as media members tho. Unless that was part of their hiring in the first place which would be an even bigger problem.

Don't know about every country, but in some, if they were licenced journalists, that would be a textbook offense to lose the license on the ground of unethical behavior and a massive conflict of interest.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

So if some minister for economic affairs would be lobbying/working for a big company without public knowledge, would you also not see an issue there, just based on your perspective that he/she has not been biased in his/her decisions?

The problem is not if someone acted biased this year or not (which is hard to detect anyway). The problem is that with a conflict of interest, the person in question cannot rule out to act biased, and if this conflict of interest is not publicly known, the public may still assume that this person acts unbiased, even if he/she follows some hidden agenda.

I’m pretty sure a minister of economic affairs working for a big company privately is way more important than a video analyst in cycling, but I still agree bad ethics.

 

[therealthing]

Jonas Vingegaard on Tour de France dominance: 'We’re totally clean, you have to trust us'

Jumbo-Visma rider answers question in his press conference about why the public should believe in his overall victory.

www.velonews.com

Don't worry everyone, Vingegaard says he's clean so therefore he is.

 

[Fantastico]

I’m pretty sure a minister of economic affairs working for a big company privately is way more important than a video analyst in cycling, but I still agree bad ethics.

Of course it is way more important. I just wanted to point out that basically given any conflict of interest (no matter how important it is), we should not base our evaluation on our subjective perception if the person in question acted biased or not.

The possibility of acting biased due to the conflict of interest is enough of an issue already.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Of course it is way more important. I just wanted to point out that basically given any conflict of interest (no matter how important it is), we should not base our evaluation on our subjective perception if the person in question acted biased or not.

The possibility of acting biased due to the conflict of interest is enough of an issue already.

I agree it’s a possibility, but I doubt it. Anyways, I agree to disagree on this whole matter.

 

[fbjim]

huge if true

https://twitter.com/x/status/1550900781125083136

View: https://twitter.com/daniellloyd1/status/1550900781125083136?t=fxpvNfFm2kTNZDooU-9q5g&s=19

 

[Tim Cahill]

Re; bias

LR is good friends with Jack Haig

Do you remember them at any point at the start of the tour mentioning that Bahrain had been subject to home raids across several countries, major news not just in cycling outlets. Unless I missed something I can't even recall this being mentioned.

If the same were to happen to a Jumbo Visma rider, would you expect them to cover this fairly, given that bias has already been shown to someone they aren't even employed by. Huge swathes of cycling message boards are seriously questioning what they are seeing in this Tour, has this even been passively addressed at any point in their shows that have a reach of 100,000s.

Doping is aided massively by client journalists, this was as true in the past as it is now. It's a shrewd move to employ these people, even from a non-performance perspective, incredibly cynical yes but shrewd from Jumbo.

I'll never forget Rough Ride, with the descriptions of how it felt dying up the climbs in the groupetto and how they tried to destroy Paul for speaking out.

 

[roundabout]

huge if true

https://twitter.com/x/status/1550900781125083136

View: https://twitter.com/daniellloyd1/status/1550900781125083136?t=fxpvNfFm2kTNZDooU-9q5g&s=19

That's Dan trying to be funny, I am afraid