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[hrotha]

this is beyond what Sky did. bamboozling

pastronef doesn't bring up Sky in unrelated threads challenge (impossible)

also sky routinely did this and much worse

 

[pastronef]

pastronef doesn't bring up Sky in unrelated threads challenge (impossible)

also sky routinely did this and much worse

much worse? Froome wouldn't keep up with Pog and Vinge. just check todays Bettex time

 

[meat puppet]

Of course, he was and is innately the lesser athlete, so no surprise there.

The point is that back then froome and sky were like what you would get by putting Pog in a team that has Jumbo's rouleurs and UAE's climbers with no real individual or team challenger in sight.

 

[Scarponi]

UAE's doms have been doing the same so it's all very mind blowing.

At least Majka is a former GT podium getter, these are classic riders doing it lol

 

[Scarponi]

much worse? Froome wouldn't keep up with Pog and Vinge. just check todays Bettex time

What if you put Froome on todays program?

 

[Cookster15]

I see you have forgotten the period of cycling from 2012 to 2018.

IMO what we are seeing from Jumbo’s domestiques is every bit as unbelievable as anything we saw from Sky - or USPS.

But I don’t know why this is even being argued after what we saw the 2020 TdF when it became clear that Jumbo is the new Sky?

I also sense an arrogance about them, like Sky and Brailsford. They seem to think they have the TdF - and Pogacar - all worked out in a lab. Maybe they will be proven right but that remains to be seen. Certainly their on paper plan has a few holes already - like UAE almost matching them.

 

[Rob5091]

No Roglic, no plan B, full gas all the time and Pogacar goes along for the ride. Seems a long time ago we saw Bjerg and Laengen on the front.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

At least Majka is a former GT podium getter, these are classic riders doing it lol

IMO what we are seeing from Jumbo’s domestiques is every bit as unbelievable as anything we saw from Sky - or USPS.

But I don’t know why this is even being argued after what we saw the 2020 TdF when it became clear that Jumbo is the new Sky?

I also sense an arrogance about them, like Sky and Brailsford. They seem to think they have the TdF - and Pogacar - all worked out in a lab. Maybe they will be proven right but that remains to be seen. Certainly their on paper plan has a few holes already - like UAE almost matching them.

It isn't to say that Jumbo aren't every bit as ridiculous, I just saw calling them the most dominant since USPS was yet another comment appearing to normalise and downplay how dominant Sky were and by proxy suggest them to somehow be more palatable than what we're seeing now. And as noted, Jumbo have failed to use their ridiculous overstrength at times too, like the 2020 Tour in particular. I mean, look at Scarponi's post up there - Sky not only had classics riders doing it, but they actually won the Tour de France and are still getting GT podiums to this day with their equivalent of Christophe Laporte. Wout van Aert is absolutely ludicrous (why do you think I keep calling him 'Barbosa'?) and I baulk at his behaviour every time July rolls around, but he isn't actually contesting the GC yet.

 

[Cookster15]

It isn't to say that Jumbo aren't every bit as ridiculous, I just saw calling them the most dominant since USPS was yet another comment appearing to normalise and downplay how dominant Sky were and by proxy suggest them to somehow be more palatable than what we're seeing now. And as noted, Jumbo have failed to use their ridiculous overstrength at times too, like the 2020 Tour in particular. I mean, look at Scarponi's post up there - Sky not only had classics riders doing it, but they actually won the Tour de France and are still getting GT podiums to this day with their equivalent of Christophe Laporte. Wout van Aert is absolutely ludicrous (why do you think I keep calling him 'Barbosa'?) and I baulk at his behaviour every time July rolls around, but he isn't actually contesting the GC yet.

I think Jumbo count on people saying we are trying to normalise Sky - it takes attention away from them.

Anyway glad you see how ridiculous Jumbo are. I’ve decided I prefer Pog’s style no matter what might be going on behind the scenes. Enjoy the show I suppose 🙄

 

[Riek s]

It isn't to say that Jumbo aren't every bit as ridiculous, I just saw calling them the most dominant since USPS was yet another comment appearing to normalise and downplay how dominant Sky were and by proxy suggest them to somehow be more palatable than what we're seeing now. And as noted, Jumbo have failed to use their ridiculous overstrength at times too, like the 2020 Tour in particular. I mean, look at Scarponi's post up there - Sky not only had classics riders doing it, but they actually won the Tour de France and are still getting GT podiums to this day with their equivalent of Christophe Laporte. Wout van Aert is absolutely ludicrous (why do you think I keep calling him 'Barbosa'?) and I baulk at his behaviour every time July rolls around, but he isn't actually contesting the GC yet.

Yeah sorry for that. I lived the 90ies and the lance years. I could still barely handle it. But wiggins was close to the border (by being 90% the whole year i'm better than my previous 100%, and the eating white rice). And the froome years i was 'aware' of this praying mantis on a bike, which was a mockery of the sport imo (the riding style, on top of the dominance and his history) . So i stopped watching the tour those year. (Only watched some summaries, which was enough to keep not watching it). But that results in less of a 'dominance' perception of the Sky-train for me.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

I think Jumbo count on people saying we are trying to normalise Sky - it takes attention away from them.

Anyway glad you see how ridiculous Jumbo are. I’ve decided I prefer Pog’s style no matter what might be going on behind the scenes. Enjoy the show I suppose 🙄

...so you cheer for a guy on a team that is sponsored by a human rights nightmare of a country, who are well funded enough to dope the absolute dog sh!t out of their riders, and admit that they are almost certainly doing so...mmmkay...you do you, I guess.

 

[Cookster15]

...so you cheer for a guy on a team that is sponsored by a human rights nightmare of a country, who are well funded enough to dope the absolute dog sh!t out of their riders, and admit that they are almost certainly doing so...mmmkay...you do you, I guess.

I cheer for the rider. And for the record I think Jumbo are doping every bit as close to the limits without getting caught as UAE is. Do you think Jumbo is squeaky clean? WvA? Nobody is. Enjoy the show.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

I cheer for the rider. And for the record I think Jumbo are doping every bit as close to the limits without getting caught as UAE is. Do you think Jumbo is squeaky clean? WvA? Nobody is. Enjoy the show.

Oh god no...Jumbo are a doping circus...but as you say, enjoy the show, and honestly, I am enjoying the show this year.

 

[Ripper]

It isn't to say that Jumbo aren't every bit as ridiculous, I just saw calling them the most dominant since USPS was yet another comment appearing to normalise and downplay how dominant Sky were and by proxy suggest them to somehow be more palatable than what we're seeing now. And as noted, Jumbo have failed to use their ridiculous overstrength at times too, like the 2020 Tour in particular. I mean, look at Scarponi's post up there - Sky not only had classics riders doing it, but they actually won the Tour de France and are still getting GT podiums to this day with their equivalent of Christophe Laporte. Wout van Aert is absolutely ludicrous (why do you think I keep calling him 'Barbosa'?) and I baulk at his behaviour every time July rolls around, but he isn't actually contesting the GC yet.

Benoot or Laporte for the transfogmanation!

 

[Riek s]

tumdidum

 

[ontheroad]

You can only laugh. Crazy stuff.

 

[Melo]

View: https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlPystfePnAI3G8/giphy.gif

 

[Savant12]

He would crush the WC ITT.

 

[BobFossil]

lol

TTing like this at 60kg. Utterly ridiculous.

 

[Simurgh]

"The Tour will be won by minutes, not seconds" Vingegaard said - turns out that it wasn't that delusional or arrogant after all

 

[firefly3323]

think I might turn it off and watch a more believable sport.....WWE

 

[ontheroad]

This surpasses Pogacar PDBF 2020 as the craziest TT in recent memory. Time gaps are crazy, its a race of 2 speeds.

 

[DNP-Old]

This is the most ludicrous thing I've seen since Landis. And then some.

 

[solo80k]

xD

 

[Aimar16]

It's like he's in a different category....