On an 1km climb that was more about explosiveness and power.
Not high mountains and endurance.
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1km climb where the first part was probably done at 30 km/h. It wasn't an explosive attack up a murito from a near standstill.
Nope, the aerodynamics don't really work out, unless Laporte has significantly (probably 10% more at least) higher 2 minute power than Yates and co.
Nope, the aerodynamics don't really work out, unless Laporte has significantly (probably 10% more at least) higher 2 minute power than Yates and co.
on a climb like this, yes; watch Paris -Nice stage 6 last year
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I think the stringing out of riders and dead riders leaving gaps in the peloton was massive here.
I dont know if Ferraris formula underestimates for high speeds but 8.2 doesnt sound crazy for 2 minutes especially at a climb with a length where the launching speed from the flat is still very significant
Not more ridiculous than Roglic or WvAs individual abilities IMO
I dont know if Ferraris formula underestimates for high speeds but 8.2 doesnt sound crazy for 2 minutes especially at a climb with a length where the launching speed from the flat is still very significant
Not more ridiculous than Roglic or WvAs individual abilities IMO
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I don't know why people are talking so much about Yates or Quintana as a reference point when this was basically a Classics scenario with an attack on a short hill. Not surprising that someone like Laporte is better than Yates at something like that, did you see Yates at the Vuelta last year? Kept shipping seconds at every <10 minutes uphill finish.
Once the two DSM guys broke the chain the chase is screwed if you don't have an MVDP that can jump the gap. Combination of a technical run in, JV with a strong leadout and plenty of teams probably too focused on getting their sprinter over the hill which lead to a positional mess.
I think people overreact a bit too much on these single random events. Jumbo like Bahrain is having questionable high levels all across the board over the last few years that is the bigger picture. Laporte dropping a few lightweights with a headstart in an anaerobic effort? Meh, not thaaaat outrageous.
Once the two DSM guys broke the chain the chase is screwed if you don't have an MVDP that can jump the gap. Combination of a technical run in, JV with a strong leadout and plenty of teams probably too focused on getting their sprinter over the hill which lead to a positional mess.
I think people overreact a bit too much on these single random events. Jumbo like Bahrain is having questionable high levels all across the board over the last few years that is the bigger picture. Laporte dropping a few lightweights with a headstart in an anaerobic effort? Meh, not thaaaat outrageous.
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Compare it with Gilbert's record on Cauberg (770 m @ 7.5 %): 1'23'' @ 33.5 kmph, VAM = 2515, [Dr.F] = 9.15 W/kg
EDIT: Ala & Rogla on the Mur (1 km @ 11.0 %): 2'41'' @ 22.4 kmph, VAM = 2460, [Dr.F] = 7.93 W/kg
The duration today was between those two. [Dr.F] = 8.2 W/kg for 2'10'' was quite good. Note that the formula underestimates (iirc) performances on ultra steep climbs, and I think it also gets unreliable with the high speeds of the other two climbs, so take the numbers with a pinch of salt.
EDIT: Ala & Rogla on the Mur (1 km @ 11.0 %): 2'41'' @ 22.4 kmph, VAM = 2460, [Dr.F] = 7.93 W/kg
The duration today was between those two. [Dr.F] = 8.2 W/kg for 2'10'' was quite good. Note that the formula underestimates (iirc) performances on ultra steep climbs, and I think it also gets unreliable with the high speeds of the other two climbs, so take the numbers with a pinch of salt.
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I think there is going to be a Padun moment at the hotel tonight. "You were suppose to drop" Maybe not, but Roglic looked uncomfortable for a moment.
100% agree.
The entire final 20km played a part in what happened on the climb. I don't think the other GC teams thought splits were likely in that final, which albeit is very odd Paris-Nice behaviour, but there wasn't much pre-emptive organisation from the other big teams. Making sure everyone was pinned in the crosswind and in one line for the whole run into the climb played a bigger role in what happened once they got there. Still a seriously impressive performance from Dennis, Teunissen and Van Hooydonck to keep anyone else from coming up, let alone the horsepower up the climb.
Reminded me of the Saxo raid in the Vuelta in 2014. Not quite the same circumstances but similar in the "one team saw something the others didn't" theory.
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What's the big whoop? I mean, pogi would have done the same but all by himself 
Folks are flying this year
Folks are flying this year
Just looks like team tactics and positioning was in Jumbo's favour. You got 3 strong guys pulling to the line and a chase that takes time to get organized. If this repeats on the Turini climb then I may have a different opinion.
And WvA and Roglic are the 2 best hilly TTers, so it's not an unexpected result.
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They really found the good stuff this offseason. Dropped their entire roster into Getafix's cauldron.
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Recent injury report for Jumbo staff: "Sprained wrists confirmed for two of the witch doctors. Caused by excessive cauldron stirring. "
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Flying start was bigger here than it is in Amstel or Fleche. Especially on the Mur youre already going uphill for a few 100m
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Yea real shocker when current Olympic ITT gold medalist (Roglic), multiple WC ITT champion (Rohan) and two time 2n WC ITT guy (Wout) are TOP 3 in ITT. They have combined 31 WorldTour ITT wins...
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