Team Visma LAB

[Rackham]

Primoz after seeing Pog&his doctor on Mortirolo did a motivational speech:
"Guys, Pogacar is verrry strrrrong and his doctorrr is happy. This is not good. You know what we have to do. We don't want to get crushed again by this ingrate kid, who betrayed me on PDBF."

So they created Jonas so they could two-prong attack Pog.

I just hope they didn't overdo the power of their Vingegaard prototype to the detriment of the original Roglic. Jumbo owes Rog quite a bit considering where they were in 2016 versus now.

 

[roundabout]

For all the hand-wringing about the tactics, it seems that once again the preparation part of the team did it's job.

 

[Izzyeviel]

I don't understand what a ketone is but they do sound like something that should be banned.

whats all this about?

 

[PhiLiz]

I don't understand what a ketone is but they do sound like something that should be banned.

whats all this about?

Many doubts about it but if I had to guess is just the flavor of the moment excuse for a far more old school program.

 

[Rackham]

For all the hand-wringing about the tactics, it seems that once again the preparation part of the team did it's job.

They always do. They have some of the absolute best performance specialists (scientists?) in the sport. Not bad for a team with a middling budget. Roglic was a sort of trailblazer for Lotto as well, i.e. punching through the glass ceiling & bringing the big prizes to the team (64 career wins is insane). Win, lose, crash, he does it all with a smile as well. What a legend.

Too bad their combined sporting director IQ doesn't fly very high. I'm particularly disappointed in the snap judgements they made on Wednesday, where they sacrificed Rog way too fast, even before he crashed. And as I posted above before the TdF, I "hoped" they wouldn't forget how much they owe Roglic for everything. So far though, I don't like their decisions after 1 week of racing.

 

[ngent41]

All the complaints about Pogacar not being a world beater as a junior but nobody wants to complain about Vingegaard? Worse results at a younger age by far and suddenly possibly better than Roglic, and maybe Pogacar's equal.

 

[PhiLiz]

All the complaints about Pogacar not being a world beater as a junior but nobody wants to complain about Vingegaard? Worse results at a younger age by far and suddenly possibly better than Roglic, and maybe Pogacar's equal.

Absolutely true. Not an amazing junior or under 23 career and, all of a sudden, the second best grand tour rider in the world. Shady af.

 

[Hugh Januss]

They always do. They have some of the absolute best performance specialists (scientists?) in the sport. Not bad for a team with a middling budget. Roglic was a sort of trailblazer for Lotto as well, i.e. punching through the glass ceiling & bringing the big prizes to the team (64 career wins is insane). Win, lose, crash, he does it all with a smile as well. What a legend.

Too bad their combined sporting director IQ doesn't fly very high. I'm particularly disappointed in the snap judgements they made on Wednesday, where they sacrificed Rog way too fast, even before he crashed. And as I posted above before the TdF, I "hoped" they wouldn't forget how much they owe Roglic for everything. So far though, I don't like their decisions after 1 week of racing.

I don't agree, I think they made the right call under the circumstances. Van Aert and I think LaPorte as well dropped back for Vingegaard while everyone else eventually wound up around Roglic. Roglic crashed at a very bad time, not his fault at all, when Jumbo was already in total disarray guys all over the place playing musical bikes, Roglic having to stop and relocate his shoulder, mayhem. But still you don't have your plan 1B guy stop for your plan 1A guy when there are others to help.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

All the complaints about Pogacar not being a world beater as a junior but nobody wants to complain about Vingegaard? Worse results at a younger age by far and suddenly possibly better than Roglic, and maybe Pogacar's equal.

True and looking at Vinge's appearance of starving labour camper he may reach infinite w per kg soon. Fatacar has no chance. JV may have found a way to produce power by massless objects!

 

[Rackham]

True and looking at Vinge's appearance of starving labour camper he may reach infinite w per kg soon. Fatacar has no chance. JV may have found a way to produce power by massless objects!

Oh my god. Golden.

Tadej Fatacar who ate too many pancakes & too much porridge. Meanwhile Jumbo Visma's altitude camps are the real secret ingredient, i.e. where starvation & forced labor creates riders who see a multi col TdF stage as a walk in the park by comparison.

It makes total sense.

 

[Ripper]

Oh my god. Golden.

Tadej Fatacar who ate too many pancakes & too much porridge. Meanwhile Jumbo Visma's altitude camps are the real secret ingredient, i.e. where starvation & forced labor creates riders who see a multi col TdF stage as a walk in the park by comparison.

It makes total sense.

Starvation and forced labor at altitude versus the perfect metabolism and riding by feel!

 

[hq87]

True and looking at Vinge's appearance of starving labour camper he may reach infinite w per kg soon. Fatacar has no chance. JV may have found a way to produce power by massless objects!

Jumbo starving Vinge all year so he can chase pog like he's stolen his energy gel. #samenwinnen

 

[Ripper]

Jumbo starving Vinge all year so he can chase pog like he's stolen his energy gel. #samenwinnen

They provided conditioning so Vinge sees pog and immediately thinks ... "Give me my sugar back!" and chases after him

 

[macbindle]

Absolutely true. Not an amazing junior or under 23 career and, all of a sudden, the second best grand tour rider in the world. Shady af.

Yep.

Bit of a Rasmussen, isn't he. If we are judging on the basis of sudden improvement then he has done more of a 'Froome' that Froome did himself. Bit surprised Vingegaard doesn't have his own thread.

 

[Netserk]

Yep.

Bit of a Rasmussen, isn't he. If we are judging on the basis of sudden improvement then he has done more of a 'Froome' that Froome did himself. Bit surprised Vingegaard doesn't have his own thread.

What race was his Pologne and what race was his Vuelta?

 

[macbindle]

What race was his Pologne and what race was his Vuelta?

46th in Vuelta (2020). Then 2nd in (much more competitive) TdF following year.

Quite a transformation from mid-pack fodder in the most minor of the GTs, to 2nd in the biggest race in the world.

 

[Netserk]

46th in Vuelta (2020). Then 2nd in (much more competitive) TdF following year.

Quite a transformation from mid-pack fodder in the most minor of the GTs, to 2nd in the biggest race in the world.

There were two weeks between Pologne and the Vuelta. In your example, Vingegaard beat Pogi for 2nd place in Itzulia in the intermediate period.

 

[macbindle]

Midpack to 2nd in TdF.

However you look at it, its remarkable.

 

[Netserk]

Midpack to 2nd in TdF.

However you look at it, its remarkable.

From 2nd in Itzulia ahead of Pogi to 2nd in the Tour behind Pogi. It's really 1:1 like Froome!

 

[macbindle]

From 2nd in Itzulia ahead of Pogi to 2nd in the Tour behind Pogi. It's really 1:1 like Froome!

Are you Danish?

Sometimes it's hard to accept that our national heroes aren't who we thought they were

 

[Netserk]

Are you Danish?

Sometimes it's hard to accept that our heroes aren't who we thought they were

Sharp observation. It must be too that if one doesn't quite think that the meteoric rise of Vingegaard is like Froome's rise, one must be a naive fanboy.

Are you unable to think of templates that are not British?

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Let's be objective guys.

Although Netserk is Danish and likely has a national bias, I don't think he believes Vingegaard is clean.

Vingegaard actually had some decent performances in 2019 and 2020. Look at his performance on the Angliru in 2020 for Roglic, very strong.

He stepped up a level in 2021 though. I found it difficult to watch him do 3 weeks of TDF last year and never getting fatigue despite not doing a 3 weeks race before and not showing that level before.

But the main interesting point is his u23 and juniors results. For a guy whose performances in TDF suggest he is a generational talent, he had very little results in the u23s to suggest he was a generational talent.

In his last year as a u23, 2018, Vingegaard finished 15th in the Danist u23 ITT championship , and finished only 67th overall in the Tour de L'Avenir. The top 10 that year was full of riders who he is destroying nowadays. Pogacar, Arensman, Mader, Vlasov, champoussin, Almeida, Sosa, Dunbar, Foss, Reis.

Seems to suggest Vingeggard is a very good responder (obviously I am just speculate)

 

[macbindle]

Sharp observation. It must be too that if one doesn't quite think that the meteoric rise of Vingegaard is like Froome's rise, one must be a naive fanboy.

Are you unable to think of templates that are not British?

A cheat is a cheat, and let's face it the Danish were at it way before the British. We all remember Bjarne Riis going straight from 107th place to 5th, then onto win in 96. And who can forget Rasmussen, going from 17th in 06, to having a 3 minute lead on Contador before being exposed as a cheat.

And all of this years before a Briton stood on the podium.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Vingegaard finished ahead of a really green Bernal in the Tour of Sibiu mtt in 2016 (?)
He also won the uphill prologue on rather shallow gradients in the Giro della Valle d'Aosta before crashimg out of the race in his final u23 season.
Overall a solid u23 rider, but nothing that screamed Tour podium.

I think comparing him to Dumoulin is more accurate than Froome, if we talk about gc potential shown before his breakthrough...

 

[nayr497]

I admittedly follow pro cycling, and all pro sports, far less than I did five and definitely ten years ago. But I got to thinking this weekend that things really seem to be going off the rails.

The TdF? Wout is a big dude and crushed CX for years, now can win on all types of parcours. And it's normal? Pogacar just cruising to a third title?

Djokovic just rolling on and on. Nadal's body breaking down, I wonder why?

And then beyond doping you have a league like the NFL (American football) where it is story after story about guy's with major brain trauma dying in bizarre fashion. You have a quarterback signed to a $280M contract and the line of accusers just keeps getting longer and longer and longer. You have the owner of a major franchise (Daniel Snyder) who likely confiscated passports and made cheerleaders do favors for VIP team backers.

The sporting world seems as toxic as the real world at this point. Maybe it always has been.