42x16ss said:Lol, those four would have needed a top up just to get out of bed
Heh. Yup. I got to admit, hyperbole gives me heartburn, but this is - timely - right on - something indicating appropriateness.
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42x16ss said:Lol, those four would have needed a top up just to get out of bed
blackcat said:yeah nah yeah
i would prefer that riders ride with riders that share their values and decisions and motives. atleast we know what we are buying.
do you want TJ to dope, but disassociate from LA, just for the optics? The would be BS too.
I think alot want TJ to keep on doping, but dont throw it in our (your) face by NOT disassociating from Lance. Why does one prefer TJ just to disassociate with LAnce, but keep on doing whatever he is doing, but just dont make it so overt with his endorsment of Lance.
Remember when Talansky came out in Armstrong's defense potting Landis and everyone else and supporting LA,
Remember when Wiggo said "I luv him". and then parroted the talking point "did so much for so many".
I would prefer the riders to tell the truth in this instance, because it becomes a pretty clear admission on their ethics, motives, and values.
When we never ever ever really hear most riders speak the truth. Sometimes, the actions speak louder.
blackcat said:do you want TJ to dope, but disassociate from LA, just for the optics? The would be BS too.
zlev11 said:i don't understand how doing a couple of rides with Lance or Leipheimer is any worse than having friggin' Vino or Riis running your team
Race Radio said:Or Och with Freddy Viaene as head soigneur.
If TJ wanted to doped he does not need to go to Lance, there are plenty of people on his team who can show him
Race Radio said:Or Och with Freddy Viaene as head soigneur.
If TJ wanted to doped he does not need to go to Lance, there are plenty of people on his team who can show him
Race Radio said:Or Och with Freddy Viaene as head soigneur.
If TJ wanted to doped he does not need to go to Lance, there are plenty of people on his team who can show him
peloton said:Very true, but I doubt none of them, even good ol' dopemule Viaene, have been banned for life in all sports.
Beyond stupid from TJ.
red_flanders said:it's that they don't even really believe it looks bad
zlev11 said:i agree that it looks bad, but maybe he doesn't care how it looks? they aren't dating, it's just a bike ride.
even then, it looks bad, but who even cares? the "new clean generation" have all been given a pass as 100% clean by the mainstream cycling media so it's not even going to be a blip on their radar. doping is over for them.
Race Radio said:Or Och with Freddy Viaene as head soigneur.
If TJ wanted to doped he does not need to go to Lance, there are plenty of people on his team who can show him
zlev11 said:i agree that it looks bad, but maybe he doesn't care how it looks? they aren't dating, it's just a bike ride.
even then, it does look bad, but who else important even cares? the "new clean generation" have all been given a pass as 100% clean by the mainstream cycling media so it's not even going to be a blip on their radar. doping is over for them, ride with whatever doper you want to ride with.
thehog said:TJ Van Instagram knows George from the team and motorpaced with a guy who lives where he resides. The conspiracy theroists will pretend it's much more but it's not like TJ has turned into Froome. He gets top 10's. Funny how Dawg gets a pass but there's plenty of innuendo on TJ.
TJ in my mind is an American Pinot. Clean.
thehog said:TJ Van Instagram knows George from the team and motorpaced with a guy who lives where he resides. The conspiracy theroists will pretend it's much more but it's not like TJ has turned into Froome. He gets top 10's. Funny how Dawg gets a pass but there's plenty of innuendo on TJ.
TJ in my mind is an American Pinot. Clean.
mewmewmew13 said:Lance is trying to sidle up to them all to redeem his rep w the public..the peloton for the most part does not seem to care so maybe this is what is important in Tejay's mind..
Tonton said:Looking back at the '14 TdF, TJVG didn't post any performances that left me scratching my head. He rode strong, couldn't match the bests, hung in there, got weaker on week 3.
Stupid, yes: I would refer to the other thread, "you are clean, what to say", and in that light he's not helping himself. Like a track guy training with Ben Johnson. Like Dave said: toxic.
thehog said:Yes that's it. That's all he's trying to do.....
Apart from defending 9 lawsuits one of which has a potential $90m fallout... Kinda think that's on his mind rather than what the public think. But do keep with your pretending with your conspiracies and the like... it's fun to to read.
mewmewmew13 said:
my point was that Tejay might only care what the peloton think...not what is going on with Lance. He (TEJAY) must not really bother w what the public or fans think.
thehog said:Oh please. Lance on the hook for $90m and is hooking up present day riders with cheap Chinese EPO... yes, thats happening for sure...
From a perception point of view is bad but there's not much else in it.
Tonton said:I don't understand you quoting me and making this statement
Tonton said:WRT the $90M, Lance and the Chinese EPO, it would great for a movie, Leonardo di Caprio in "The Wolf of L'Alpe D'Huez" or maybe have Matthew McConaughey do the part: he's a friend... Seriously, I don't think Lance would dare pulling that one.
zlev11 said:i agree that it looks bad, but maybe he doesn't care how it looks? they aren't dating, it's just a bike ride.
Really? Is that what it is? Just another neighbor? I suppose TJ comes up short when looking for people around him who could ride a scooter?thehog said:TJ Van Instagram knows George from the team and motorpaced with a guy who lives where he resides.
Huh. That's weird, especially since you just recently posted this:thehog said:Apart from defending 9 lawsuits one of which has a potential $90m fallout... Kinda think that's on his mind rather than what the public think. But do keep with your pretending with your conspiracies and the like... it's fun to to read.
Sounds like Lance is still every bit as concerned about public perception—as he always has been, and always will be.thehog said:"If Clinton, after the affair at the White House, was told he could never speak in public again, never go around the world helping people, do all the things he does now, then he'd go down as the guy who did, you know, blah blah blah, with the intern. He'd still be considered an a**hole. Tiger, too.
"They're forgiven because they got a chance to come back and tell a different strory. But I can't change that narrative. I'm forever the a**hole."
He does have a point.... maybe a little one dressed down with a heavy dose of cynicism.
Granville57 said:But then these guys are the first ones to start whining when someone questions their accomplishments, or the state of the sport in general.
If TJ doesn't care about perception, or thinks it's perfectly fine to go on dates with Lance, then I expect he also won't mind when on forums and Twitter question the authenticity of his team and other people who he is associated with.
I hear plenty of moaning from the new guys about how things have changed, and how the past is the past. Play dates with Lance don't exactly inspire confidence in me if that were the case.
These guys may not care about the public perception of their actions, but then when questioned, what we mostly get from them is indignation. Well, sorry fellas, but you can't have it both ways. Walk the walk, or STFU.