Teflon dopers

[craig1985]

+1,000,000

Watching turds like Leipheimer wheelsuck their way to the podium even in races like the Tour of the Gila is disgusting.

I found fault with the system, guys like Leipheimer should not be allowed to race at Gila, Redlands etc., fine to be there to promote the race but that's about it. I used to give Horner the benefit of the doubt but after seeing him climbing Mt Baldy really did it for me.

 

[L'arriviste]

Personally, I shudder to think about the health complications that "lifelong" dopers will encounter when they've faded from our screens. How screwed up must their bodies be after all that? Do they have to keep taking some stuff long after they retire just to "regulate" themselves?

Actually, I would like to hear more of the sort of information such as was offered in the "Has doping harmed YOUR health?" thread. We all talk about the skewing of results and the dodgy performances right now, but I think there's a lot of "orange juice" misinformation and obfuscation about the long term prognosis out there.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Personally, I shudder to think about the health complications that "lifelong" dopers will encounter when they've faded from our screens. How screwed up must their bodies be after all that? Do they have to keep taking some stuff long after they retire just to "regulate" themselves?

Actually, I would like to hear more of the sort of information such as was offered in the "Has doping harmed YOUR health?" thread. We all talk about the skewing of results and the dodgy performances right now, but I think there's a lot of "orange juice" misinformation and obfuscation about the long term prognosis out there.

Yeh I have wondered that also. Maybe the continual workload that their bodies are under through cycling, makes their systems more efficient at eliminating the drugs. We may need Joe Papp to advise.

 

[L'arriviste]

Yeh I have wondered that also. Maybe the continual workload that their bodies are under through cycling, makes their systems more efficient at eliminating the drugs. We may need Joe Papp to advise.

If you haven't yet looked at the thread I linked to above, it's recommended. Joe did offer some interesting details there at the time.

 

[Cycle Chic]

If you haven't yet looked at the thread I linked to above, it's recommended. Joe did offer some interesting details there at the time.

yeh i just looked..thanks

 

[Cimber]

All pros in the 90s

 

[Benotti69]

All pros in the 90s

There are some exceptions. Bassons, Lemond, Moncoutie to name 3.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Preach it brother!!! Right on!!! Euro pros like Leipheimer are the ones US pros should NOT attempt to emulate in any way, shape of form.

Guys like Leipheimer were part of the despicable trend of US racers who ALL DOPED. What a legacy they leave behind. I hope they're proud of themselves.

Be aware that the U.S. has a very vertical development system that seems to be run more like a high school clique than anything else. First thing that deserves careful scrutiny is Weisel's programs breeding dopers for Pat's show. I don't have anything concrete to back this up beyond what will likely come to pass with Wonderboy's doping system.

It just seems to me the same guys (Weisel, Knaggs, etc.) who did it once with Wonderboy and have been widely reported as completely dedicated to spending USOC/membership funds to create another Great White cycling star would repeat what worked before. Cheat, lie, dope, profit!

 

[ferryman]

There are some exceptions. Bassons, Lemond, Moncoutie to name 3.

I first read that as 'to name but 3' and then started to scratch my head

 

[9000ft]

There are some exceptions. Bassons, Lemond, Moncoutie to name 3.

How do you know?

 

[Mambo95]

There are some exceptions. Bassons, Lemond, Moncoutie to name 3.

Really?

Bassons rode for Festina during the 1998 scandal. Moncoutie was at Cofidis in 2003-4.

Why are you not using your pejorative 'guilt by association' standards, seen elsewhere, for those two?

If this forum had existed in 1998 or 2004 you would have condemned those two.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Again with the moncoutie thing....lol http://www.google.com

 

[Wigwan]

Really?

Bassons rode for Festina during the 1998 scandal. Moncoutie was at Cofidis in 2003-4.

Why are you not using your pejorative 'guilt by association' standards, seen elsewhere, for those two?

If this forum had existed in 1998 or 2004 you would have condemned those two.

His teammate said in 2004 that all the team was doping except Moncoutié..

 

[Mambo95]

His teammate said in 2004 that all the team was doping except Moncoutié..

I know. But you're missing my point. Bennoti69 accuses any rider because they were on a suspect team (regardless of whether that team has been subject to any investigation). He is one of the posters on here who is obsessed with 'finding' dopers.

I'm just pointing out that the two riders he espouses as clean he would have condemned as dopers at the time.

He (or she) is just a keyboard warrior who wants to shout 'doper'. I just want to highlight the mentality of some on here. Do not take anyone here seriously.

 

[c&cfan]

greg lemond.

eddy merckx.

 

[Velodude]

greg lemond.

eddy merckx.

Merckx not teflon coated.

He failed doping controls on three occasions. He won one on appeal.

 

[c&cfan]

Merckx not teflon coated.

He failed doping controls on three occasions. He won one on appeal.

yes, so he should be banned his all career, yet he hypocritically opens his mouth to condemn others, others that had no option and truly regret it, unlike him, that disgusting pig.

p.s: i don't believe in lemond.

 

[Caruut]

Merckx not teflon coated.

He failed doping controls on three occasions. He won one on appeal.

Doping and still being widely seen as the best ever seems like Teflon to me.

 

[Velodude]

Doping and still being widely seen as the best ever seems like Teflon to me.

We are responding to the OP who titled the thread "Teflon dopers" and put:

List of well known dopers who have never been sanctioned but have been obviously doping:

Merckx not caught by that net as he had been caught and sanctioned.

 

[hrotha]

p.s: i don't believe in lemond.

Haha, nice trolling effort. No one asked you about LeMond, no need to repeat it.

 

[Havetts]

So if Contador gets acquitted by CAS, will he be 'the' Teflon Doper? Possibly mentioned in Operacion Puerto, on Saiz's team, Discovery Channel team and then to Astana with Bruyneel and the Vino positive.

Then tests positive and gets possibly acquitted twice, by RFEC and CAS. And he'll ride happily after for Mr 64%.

 

[L'arriviste]

So if Contador gets acquitted by CAS, will he be 'the' Teflon Doper? Possibly mentioned in Operacion Puerto, on Saiz's team, Discovery Channel team and then to Astana with Bruyneel and the Vino positive.

Then tests positive and gets possibly acquitted twice, by RFEC and CAS. And he'll ride happily after for Mr 64%.

In a word, probably. Contador has a lot of interesting associations, but it's important to underline that he's not untypical. However, what's slightly less typical of younger riders though - due mostly to changes in the texture of the Euro pro road scene in recent years - is the fact that Alberto is still quite young considering the 'rich and varied' background he's already enjoyed.

 

[the delgados]

Notice Michael never rode the Tour with Lance although it killed it at other stage races? I wonder why? Michael didn't get with the program.

Floyd Landis implicated Barry a long time ago.

Can we please stop pretending that some riders are more virtuous than others?

I know a lot of folks around these parts (Toronto) who swear Barry never doped, simply because they want to believe he never doped.

It is abundantly apparent that everyone has to be on something just to finish a race. It's a shame that folks aren't willing to admit it. I mean, it's not like these people committed mass murder. They took drugs to ride a race.

No biggie.

 

[Mambo95]

Floyd Landis implicated Barry a long time ago.

Can we please stop pretending that some riders are more virtuous than others?

Similarly can we please stop pretending that everything Landis said is 100% unquestionable truth. He's talking about events seven or eight years ago. No human has perfect memory. He didn't make some mistakes in his recall, he'd be some sort of freak.

 

[the delgados]

Sure.
Landis might be lying when he says he supplied testosterone to Barry while training in Spain. I highly doubt it, but let's say it's true.
No one can deny that there is a mountain of evidence that supports the claim that everyone had to be topping up to finish a race.
The levels of denial are really astounding.