Tennis

[robow7]

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"No, not really "

Whoops, after that first set, didn't see that coming Ha

"lol, so we have two Italian damsels in the final"

yea one 32 year old and one 33 year old, never been to a Grand Slam final before, I'm telling you it's like a fine wine

 

[Andynonomous]

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The first time in over 10 years that Nadal hasn't won at least one slam in a calendar year. Of course, his fanboys say that it is to be expected, since he is getting older. The reality is that most "defensive oriented" players are usually washed up by their 26th birthday (Borg, Wilander, Hewitt, Ferrero, Chang, ...). Nadal kept winning slams until he was 28.

Agassi was a defensive/baseline type player and he had a career resurgence in his thirties.

No.

Agassi was an aggressive baseline player.

He hugged the baseline, and moved his opponent side to side, until he had an open court, where he would hit a winner. Seles and Hingis used this same strategy. Unlike the defensive players like Nadal, Borg, Hewitt, Chang and Wilander, Agassi did not do much running.

There was nothing "defensive" in Agassi's game. If you moved him around, he would get winded in a big hurry, and give up the point.

 

[blackcat]

Don't think so. I think it's likely that a decade of playing a physically demanding style has finally taken it's toll on him.

2 elements.

i) as you mention, he has been full genius'ing(sic) for about a decade, mebbe over a decade. "thanks uncle toni".

ii) arms race/Red Queen Effect. others have seen his doping, and have their own face cards, and matches or raises the doping ocean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_card (muliple torturous metaphors [sic])


so others have nearly neutralised Rafa's (previous) doping advantage. He know meets mano-a-mano on the doping spectrum.

and his white tissues have started to break down.

 

[robow7]

Agree, Andre was never a defensive player, Agassi took the ball earlier than any other player, ala Jimmy Connors and moved his opponent on a string (pardon the pun). Along with Connors, probably the purist ball striker the game has ever seen. His biggest weakness was his own movement which was fair at best. His resurgence came when he "re committed to tennis" likely through the use of a few anabolic roids that created a new upper body vis his strength coach.

 

[BullsFan22]

Didn't Vinci work with Ferrari or one of Ferrari's co-workers/helpers? I know Errani was working with the Spanish doctors and perhaps Ferrari...Anyway, it's pretty funny that a 32 year old, unseeded grinder is pitted against her countrywoman, a 33 year old grinder who is barely seeded and playing her best tennis (I would think). Doping? Probably. I also think women's tennis is going through a bad patch right now. There are maybe 10 women who can produce real good matches, but aren't consistent enough to win the slams regularly like Serena does (did) and the rest are either mediocre, bad, really bad, etc. Serena isn't even half as good as she was 10-15 years, understandable, she was young and tennis is more a young persons sport and she had to contend with tougher competition: Venus, Henin, Sharapova (when she was better, IMO), Mauresmo, Davenport, Clijsters, the Russians, Pierce, Capriati, etc. Now, it's not as many great players around. That's one of the main reasons she bulldozes her way through the draws. The draw she got this year, plus some non shows, injuries and general horrible play from the top seeds, was ridiculous. I kind of thought this would happen, she would be one of the top seeds left in the latter stages of the tournament, and she would be upset by someone who not many people realized was in the tournament.

 

[blackcat]

Didn't Vinci work with Ferrari or one of Ferrari's co-workers/helpers? I know Errani was working with the Spanish doctors and perhaps Ferrari...Anyway, it's pretty funny that a 32 year old, unseeded grinder is pitted against her countrywoman, a 33 year old grinder who is barely seeded and playing her best tennis (I would think). Doping? Probably. I also think women's tennis is going through a bad patch right now. There are maybe 10 women who can produce real good matches, but aren't consistent enough to win the slams regularly like Serena does (did) and the rest are either mediocre, bad, really bad, etc. Serena isn't even half as good as she was 10-15 years, understandable, she was young and tennis is more a young persons sport and she had to contend with tougher competition: Venus, Henin, Sharapova (when she was better, IMO), Mauresmo, Davenport, Clijsters, the Russians, Pierce, Capriati, etc. Now, it's not as many great players around. That's one of the main reasons she bulldozes her way through the draws. The draw she got this year, plus some non shows, injuries and general horrible play from the top seeds, was ridiculous. I kind of thought this would happen, she would be one of the top seeds left in the latter stages of the tournament, and she would be upset by someone who not many people realized was in the tournament.

doping has completely turned the sport on the women's side upside down. We used to have teenagers get thru to the final stages of the tourney. Would you ever see Hingis compete for a major? not a chance. She would have to spend about 3 of her formative years getting in tip-top shape, add some power, but probably have to rely on being a grinder on entout cas, or clay. lose about 5kgs, but add about 100% power, add kick to her serve, have a flat first serve option of twice the speed she came onto the Tour with.

And Hingis prolly took a few things to help, not a serious doping program, but mebbe some recovery drugs, mebbe some cortisone, mebbe some uppers for training hours.

These thirty plus Italians winning thru to the finals, and winning slams. what-, what a, ... what a, w@nk.

Stosur just as bad, she only came on mid to late 20s. Where was she as a teenager? mediocre player who roughed it in the top100.

The Russians and eastern euros? Well, why do they all go to Spain, and come onto the Tour as world beaters when they are 17 and 18? Well, see the Nadal model. *** and yes, this is contradicting the point about teenagers I made above.

p'raps in the womens, it was Arantxa Sanchez Vicario who paved this MO. But I reckon Steffi and MAry Pierce would have had some help, just not the serious serious serious doping of today. mebbe just cortisone and ephedrine. mebbe.

(for non anglophones, mebbe = maybe. phonetics for maybe.)

and MAry Pierce, or was it Pearce, her father was the worst sports parent of all time. All time. If anyone is Australian, there are eastern or central european tennis parents that get a bad reputation here, Dokovic pere, Tomic pere. both pale to Jim Pierce, Earl Woods, Lleyton Hewitts old man, and Venus and Serena Williams father.

 

[Cake]

Pennetta wins the US Open then promptly retires, the second female player to do so in the last 2 years after Bartoli at Wimbledon 2013. Another reminder of the older age profile of pro tennis players now?

 

[Cycle Chic]

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Pennetta wins the US Open then promptly retires, the second female player to do so in the last 2 years after Bartoli at Wimbledon 2013. Another reminder of the older age profile of pro tennis players now?

dont think so - she's 26 ranking anyway, pretty good....and at 33 now wants a child.

 

[Andynonomous]

Congratulations to Novak Djokovic, who has won 9 Grand slams in the last 4 1/2 years, since adopting a gluten-free diet.

 

[Ticker]

Congratulations to Novak Djokovic, who has won 9 Grand slams in the last 4 1/2 years, since adopting a gluten-free diet.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/sep/13/novak-djokovic-wins-us-open-2015-final-over-roger-federer-after-epic-battle

Every athlete should find an acupuncturist to diagnose them with some random illness.

Igor Cetojevic, (pronounced ‘Che-to-ye-vich’) Medical Doctor and acupuncturist qualified at the Medical University of Sarajevo in 1988. He then studied Chinese Traditional Medicine at The European Center for Peace and Development in Belgrade, Yugoslavia with advanced seminars and hospital experience in Beijing, China. He also holds a diploma from The Indian Institute of Magnetotherapy, New Delhi. He has done intensive research on how geopathic and other radiation affects people’s health and well being and what can be done to minimize its negative influence.

During 2010 - 2011, Dr. Igor worked with the Serbian tennis star, Novak Djokovic, helping him to reach the number one ranking in the tennis world.

http://www.quantummedicum.com/dr_igor.html

 

[jmdirt]

Tennis is dirtier than cycling and has been for a long time. Fed is the one who got Fab hooked up oh so many years ago because tennis was so far ahead of cycling.

 

[Ticker]

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Tennis is dirtier than cycling and has been for a long time. Fed is the one who got Fab hooked up oh so many years ago because tennis was so far ahead of cycling.

I think it's unfortunate that cycling used to get the rap for being the dirtiest sport when other sports (Tennis, American Football, Basketball, Rugby, Track and Field) are worse. At least Athletics is being exposed.

 

[frenchfry]

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Tennis is dirtier than cycling and has been for a long time. Fed is the one who got Fab hooked up oh so many years ago because tennis was so far ahead of cycling.

I think it's unfortunate that cycling used to get the rap for being the dirtiest sport when other sports (Tennis, American Football, Basketball, Rugby, Track and Field) are worse. At least Athletics is being exposed.

I think you could simply say "football" in all its forms, and whatever the national context.

 

[Ticker]

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Tennis is dirtier than cycling and has been for a long time. Fed is the one who got Fab hooked up oh so many years ago because tennis was so far ahead of cycling.

I think it's unfortunate that cycling used to get the rap for being the dirtiest sport when other sports (Tennis, American Football, Basketball, Rugby, Track and Field) are worse. At least Athletics is being exposed.

I think you could simply say "football" in all its forms, and whatever the national context.

I forgot to add "Soccer". And you're right.

 

[bewildered]

there is nothing suspicious in Pennetta and Vinci getting to the final of USO for me or their physiques. Yes, they may have been doping and if so prob have been for years but there has been no noticeable step up in pace or power from either player in this tourney or over the past few years. In fact neither player I would say looks particularly fit and neither of their games are based on their fitness, rather on committing less errors than their opponents as neither player has any major weapons.

Vinci doesn't even have a backhand. Pennetta's greatest asset is her level-headedness and consistency, something which is a rarity in women's tennis imo. She beat Halep and Kvitova. Halep is one of the most overrated players out there, she is quite short and is susceptible to being upset, esp at slams where her record is nowhere near as good as her record at other tourneys. Kvitova is renowned for suffering in 30+ degree heat. An asthmatic, once she lost the second set she was toast.

Vinci beat Serena because Serena played shockingly bad, which she has at times over the past few months (Safarova in FO Final and Watson at Wimbledon, but she turned those games around and got back to her best to win, not this time). This should be obvious to anyone, even people who didn't watch the match. Serena has to have an absolute shocker to lose to players like this. She rarely loses to top 10 players in comparison.

pics of players as they are striking the ball. Those photos will always look worse than if they were tensing up their muscles themselves and posing for a photo. They really add nothing. Every player looks like a beast in these photos.

Lucic-Baroni's father was a psycho too.

Edit: Bartoli's Wimbledon win is a lot more suspicious for me. Her serve was abysmal in the months beforehand, hitting double figures on double faults in a lot of her matches. Her serve massively improved in that tournament as well as the power behind her shots.

 

[blackcat]

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there is nothing suspicious in Pennetta and Vinci getting to the final of USO for me or their physiques.

kenyans and ethopians in distance and middle distance take roids too

this is a confirmation bias, but on the "innocent/innocence" side of the equation

 

[Cycle Chic]

Does anyone know what drug / amphetamine would keep his eyes like this through his matches ? NOT NORMAL !

Compare to 2006

 

[blackcat]

Does anyone know what drug / amphetamine would keep his eyes like this through his matches ? NOT NORMAL !

Compare to 2006

great find CC.

#NOTNORMAL
pupils to marginal degree dilated, tumescent, but not overwhelmingly so,

like the last interview Radcliffe did for the Beeb
crazyladyeyes

 

[Cntfeelmylegs]

if anyting his pupils look more dilated on the 2006 photo, also what moment in the ralley is it. he could be going for a dropshot in the 2006 one and for the final bang after a grueling ralley in the last one.

lol like he has his face like that throughout matches. that would be strange. but this is just a moment.

his gut does look strange hgh like.

 

[Cntfeelmylegs]

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there is nothing suspicious in Pennetta and Vinci getting to the final of USO for me or their physiques.

kenyans and ethopians in distance and middle distance take roids too

this is a confirmation bias, but on the "innocent/innocence" side of the equation

yeah i saw this docu on youtube, The secrets of Doping.. its about russian and kenian doping.

like a kenian winning a marathon doesnt arrouse suspicion, cause "naturally gifted" but Kenia is one of the dirtiest countries in doping corruption. no tests, officials taking money and epo and whatever else you want freely available everywhere

 

[Cycle Chic]

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lol like he has his face like that throughout matches. that would be strange. but this is just a moment.

this is EXACTLY how his eyes are throughout the match - you obviously havent watched his matches in the last couple of years - they are dilated throughout

 

[blackcat]

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if anyting his pupils look more dilated on the 2006 photo, also what moment in the ralley is it. he could be going for a dropshot in the 2006 one and for the final bang after a grueling ralley in the last one.

lol like he has his face like that throughout matches. that would be strange. but this is just a moment.

his gut does look strange hgh like.

nah, third time looking, reckon they are definitely larger, albeit marginally. Anyone with Quark or some graphic design program to take a look.

also the cornea colouring, now, this maybe because of the lighting, and his own lids shading his eyes.

definitely not scientific, but there is an element of the #pornographylens i know it when i see it. and i have seen enough blue movies in my time to keep larry flynt in business in the internet age

 

[Cake]

Those eyes! Last seen in the Hacienda, circa 1989

 

[Cntfeelmylegs]

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lol like he has his face like that throughout matches. that would be strange. but this is just a moment.

this is EXACTLY how his eyes are throughout the match - you obviously havent watched his matches in the last couple of years - they are dilated throughout

well pupils dilated, maybe, but not that face of horror like dracula just came out of shadows....

 

[bewildered]

i don't see dilated pupils in those pics. Can you post a pic of his 'normal' size pupils to compare? It's called keeping your eye on the ball.

My point is whether they are on roids or not, there is nothing different in them physically or in terms of how they have played in this tourney. They have been playing like that for years. They may be doped but there is no performance change in this tourney. They are both well beatable players, just got lucky with draws and in Vinci's case with Serena having an absolute shocker. Bartoli the same, didn't have to beat a top 15 player to win Wimbledon.

Serena's performances are more suspicious to me in terms of how little power she seemed to have against Vinci compared to normally. Vinci is not a strong, tall, or fast player, Serena should blow her off the court. She shouldn't be broken once by a player like Vinci. It's all down to her as to whether that happens or not.