- Jan 27, 2012
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well, that was the match of the tournament for me.
Two great single hand backhanders going all the way until sunlight disappears.
Two great single hand backhanders going all the way until sunlight disappears.
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Still can't believe Gasquet came back 1-2 in sets down against Stanozolol.
Hearing only the result my first thought was "Wawrinka threw it"...(and am still entertaining the thought tbh)Dazed and Confused said:
Still can't believe Gasquet came back 1-2 in sets down against Stanozolol.
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Fed's serve is amazing in that rather than go for power, he opts for placement, spin, and the ability to disguise which way it's going, all in order to set up his first stroke which he can generally ensure a forehand to start the point, allowing him to dictate the point from the onset. Only Nadal and the Djoker seem to get to his backhand early in the point. Other guys like Isner and Dr. Ivo, the serve is the point.
My prediction is that if Fed serves really well, he can win the final but if he has to rely on a lot of second serves, Djoker's best return in the game is going to see a lot of break opportunities.
Fed's serve is amazing in that rather than go for power, he opts for placement, spin, and the ability to disguise which way it's going, all in order to set up his first stroke which he can generally ensure a forehand to start the point, allowing him to dictate the point from the onset. Only Nadal and the Djoker seem to get to his backhand early in the point. Other guys like Isner and Dr. Ivo, the serve is the point.
My prediction is that if Fed serves really well, he can win the final but if he has to rely on a lot of second serves, Djoker's best return in the game is going to see a lot of break opportunities.
- Jan 27, 2012
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Federer keeps going and going... lol
The musclewoman, the robot and the old man all takes part in the finals.
And then we have odd woman.
The musclewoman, the robot and the old man all takes part in the finals.
And then we have odd woman.
- Aug 31, 2012
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Federer's serve is probably his biggest weapon. One of the best serves of all time. Let's not forget that he outaced Roddick in the Wimbledon final they contested.
Unfortunately, Djokovic is the very best returner tennis has ever seen. Federer will need to serve at an extremely high level throughout the game to win and as before, I think his nerves will falter against Djokovic. Plus, if he doesn't win in 3 it's obviously over against the untiring Djokovic.
Unfortunately, Djokovic is the very best returner tennis has ever seen. Federer will need to serve at an extremely high level throughout the game to win and as before, I think his nerves will falter against Djokovic. Plus, if he doesn't win in 3 it's obviously over against the untiring Djokovic.
- Jul 21, 2012
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- Jun 29, 2015
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Muzz and Djock are both up there as the best returners, but Djock is mentally stronger in big game situations. The way Fed is playing, he'd be the favorite against anyone. That was a pure masterclass he just put on...but I still can't bring myself think he's the fave here. Djock is so strong in every dept.
- Aug 31, 2012
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http://www.tennisabstract.com/cgi-bin/leaders.cgi?f=s00w1
Djokovic is number one for most of the important metrics. Murray is very good as well, to be sure.
The most impressive stat is probably Djokovic's rate at which he wins points against a second serve. He leads the stat by 4%, which is a huge gap given how tight most of these stats are amongst the top players. Other stats he is the world's best in are return points won and break rate.
Djokovic is number one for most of the important metrics. Murray is very good as well, to be sure.
The most impressive stat is probably Djokovic's rate at which he wins points against a second serve. He leads the stat by 4%, which is a huge gap given how tight most of these stats are amongst the top players. Other stats he is the world's best in are return points won and break rate.
- Jul 21, 2012
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Fair enough, but Federer has one of the best serves on grass of all time as well.
The serving he did today was just some of the best I've ever seen. Probably a bit of a fluke, but even so Djokovic usually doesn't break Federer to often and especially not on grass.
I'd say Djokovic is a slight favourite due to Federer being old and inconsistent, but Federer has the highest peak level obviously.
The serving he did today was just some of the best I've ever seen. Probably a bit of a fluke, but even so Djokovic usually doesn't break Federer to often and especially not on grass.
I'd say Djokovic is a slight favourite due to Federer being old and inconsistent, but Federer has the highest peak level obviously.
- Aug 31, 2012
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I was ready to disagree with Djokovic being merely a slight favourite, but markets agree.
I think Federer went on a lucky run with his serving today, and he's going to have to serve like that in the final to win when he's up against the Gymnast.
I think Federer went on a lucky run with his serving today, and he's going to have to serve like that in the final to win when he's up against the Gymnast.
Its pretty simply.. I wrote about this in some of my other post..
In othe sports countering in Football(soccer) as well. You don't really focus on the same attributes as you do in cycling (raw power) if I may call it that.. because I can tell you from personal expriece that there are plenty of doping in football..
People does not care about doping in Tennis because they don't think it makes that much of a difference and they don't win just from being juice, you need alot of other attributes and skills.. (not saying cycling does not take skill!!) merely saying how people observe this.
If we look at some of the females in Tennis they don't really look female (not even trained).. is there a reason for this yes... does any Tennis fan you know care about this and think doping matters ??? most likely not.. Because again the focus is on other stuff.. had it been running or swimming, it would be different.. again because its "raw power" thats the focus.
Thats the real problem.. but tbh. I don't care if they dope.. what I do care about is if they dope so hard they die... think about the youth that go into sports, potentially your own kids.. do you want that risk ? thats why its fine to have a some numbers for how high you can go ont he different spectrums
In othe sports countering in Football(soccer) as well. You don't really focus on the same attributes as you do in cycling (raw power) if I may call it that.. because I can tell you from personal expriece that there are plenty of doping in football..
People does not care about doping in Tennis because they don't think it makes that much of a difference and they don't win just from being juice, you need alot of other attributes and skills.. (not saying cycling does not take skill!!) merely saying how people observe this.
If we look at some of the females in Tennis they don't really look female (not even trained).. is there a reason for this yes... does any Tennis fan you know care about this and think doping matters ??? most likely not.. Because again the focus is on other stuff.. had it been running or swimming, it would be different.. again because its "raw power" thats the focus.
Thats the real problem.. but tbh. I don't care if they dope.. what I do care about is if they dope so hard they die... think about the youth that go into sports, potentially your own kids.. do you want that risk ? thats why its fine to have a some numbers for how high you can go ont he different spectrums
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In the 4th round I saw a stat that Federer hadn't been broken all tournament. I don't recall him being broken in that round or the quarters, and he wasn't broken today, so I think Fed may have done the whole tournament so far without being broken once.
I also remember a stat going into the final last year that he had held 86 out of 87 service games that year.
I think he can beat Djokovic. A Djokovic that looks slightly weaker than the robo djokoivc of 2011.
I also remember a stat going into the final last year that he had held 86 out of 87 service games that year.
I think he can beat Djokovic. A Djokovic that looks slightly weaker than the robo djokoivc of 2011.
- Jan 24, 2012
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I think so too. Last year was close and Federer looks to be playing great.
I wonder if he would consider retiring with an 8th Wimbledon in hand. I somewhat doubt it as I remember reading he wanted to play the 2016 Olympics which are supposedly going to be fast hard courts where he can play very well.
The Hitch said:
I think so too. Last year was close and Federer looks to be playing great.
I wonder if he would consider retiring with an 8th Wimbledon in hand. I somewhat doubt it as I remember reading he wanted to play the 2016 Olympics which are supposedly going to be fast hard courts where he can play very well.
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I think Groth broke him. Not sure which match I saw it in, but he's definitely lost 1 service game.
He's serving incredibly well. It's not unusual to see players drop about 15k off their serve in order to get a higher percentage. Roger seems to have dropped about 5k off it for the same effect.
Federer can win, if he wins the first set. If he gets into a grind against Djokovic he's lost.
The Hitch said:
I think Groth broke him. Not sure which match I saw it in, but he's definitely lost 1 service game.
He's serving incredibly well. It's not unusual to see players drop about 15k off their serve in order to get a higher percentage. Roger seems to have dropped about 5k off it for the same effect.
Federer can win, if he wins the first set. If he gets into a grind against Djokovic he's lost.
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I agree about the women. The doping on the WTA tour looks more obvious in my view, physiognomy and playing style-wise. It's even more of a bash, bash, bash baseline power game, much more so than the men's and with very little refined skill on show. Plus we have of course the known, direct links to Del Moral (Safina, Errani) via the TenisVal academy. Safina is on record as having spoken of Del Moral's miraculous 'recovery treatments'. How more direct can a player's admission get?
None of which seems to matter much to the punters (even to those on here seemingly, judging from the greater interest shown in Federer's serve) because as you say, the apparent skill shown outweighs any possible effects that may be attributable to doping. This has the knock-on effect on anti-doping in that the ITF can get away with its lax, head in the sand approach. One or two sacrificial lambs apart, the problem doesn't exist which Ricci Bitti, ITF president, has said as much publicly. It's a virtuous circle of apparent tennis virtuosity.
DrSahl said:
I agree about the women. The doping on the WTA tour looks more obvious in my view, physiognomy and playing style-wise. It's even more of a bash, bash, bash baseline power game, much more so than the men's and with very little refined skill on show. Plus we have of course the known, direct links to Del Moral (Safina, Errani) via the TenisVal academy. Safina is on record as having spoken of Del Moral's miraculous 'recovery treatments'. How more direct can a player's admission get?
None of which seems to matter much to the punters (even to those on here seemingly, judging from the greater interest shown in Federer's serve) because as you say, the apparent skill shown outweighs any possible effects that may be attributable to doping. This has the knock-on effect on anti-doping in that the ITF can get away with its lax, head in the sand approach. One or two sacrificial lambs apart, the problem doesn't exist which Ricci Bitti, ITF president, has said as much publicly. It's a virtuous circle of apparent tennis virtuosity.
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