Tennis

[skippy]

Didn't want to start a new thread for this item :

http://playtrue.wada-ama.org/news/wada-urges-vigilance-over-deer-antler-velvet-spray/

Seem to recall this range of products being mentioned in another thread ?

what benefits are reputed to be available to users ?

 

[zebedee]

This represents an about-turn by Murray who appears to bend like a reed in wind given the negative, inaccurate and self-serving comments he used to make about tennis anti-doping. His position previously was that he was constantly tested, like 'twenty five times a year' and sometimes at awkward times, conveniently forgetting the fact that his testing window was effectively set by himself through the Whereabouts rule.

Everyone's jumping on the bandwagon to make themselves look good.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Murray playing the spin and PR game that served Lance well for so long.

"If I criticise the drug testing no one will think I'm a drug user myself".

It reminds me of "take a guy like me I was on my deathbed, do you think I would come back into a sport and say "Hey Doc, give me everything you got, I only want to go fast" No Way! I would never do that".

 

[coinneach]

Andy Murray & Chris Hoy have both come out with strong anti-doping statements recently, and had nothing but abuse from clinic posters for their efforts!

Surely it'd be more worrying if he just said "tennis doesn't have a problem" like he used to, and many still do.

I think more its a sign of just how wide the ramifications of Lance are; and actually some good might come out of it in other sports.
We can but wish!

 

[northstar]

Does Andy Murray need his own thread in a cycling forum? Perhaps this should go into the tennis thread here http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18222

 

[zebedee]

As you say, the Lance Armstrong effect.

Like Skegness, it's so bracing!

 

[Andynonomous]

There seems to be a new strategy by the dopers.

Even Nadal is now saying that the Tennis officials should test MORE often. They know damned well that they are not going to get caught by the weak testing in tennis, so why not claim to want more stringent testing, to appear as though you are "clean"

I suspect that this is just a public relations ploy.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Andy Murray & Chris Hoy have both come out with strong anti-doping statements recently, and had nothing but abuse from clinic posters for their efforts!

Surely it'd be more worrying if he just said "tennis doesn't have a problem" like he used to, and many still do.

I think more its a sign of just how wide the ramifications of Lance are; and actually some good might come out of it in other sports.
We can but wish!

The problem most have with Murrays statements is they are a direct contradiction to what he said before one minute the testing is invasive the next it's lax. At least with Hoy he was remained consistent with what he's said.

 

[zebedee]

At last, someone with some real authority speaks out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...certain-that-tennis-has-a-doping-problem.html

The old farts at the ITF still keep looking at all those black and white photos from the fifties they have hanging on the wall.

 

[sniper]

At last, someone with some real authority speaks out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...certain-that-tennis-has-a-doping-problem.html

The old farts at the ITF still keep looking at all those black and white photos from the fifties they have hanging on the wall.

long overdue, but chapeau to ****!

HGH helps to repair damaged muscles more quickly and can also promote rapid gain of muscle bulk when used with steroids. Its presence can be detected by a blood test, but the International Tennis Federation’s recent testing programme has been heavily biased towards urine tests.

quite clear they don't want to catch anybody.

 

[sampras38]

Nadal hits 50% more topspin on the ball than anyone ever has before - he does this for 4+ hours sometimes.

He can also slice incredibly well, has some of the best footwork on the tour, is left-handed (huge weapon against mostly right-hander's) and was already beating more experienced players when he was only 15/16. Yes he began as a clay-court specialist but as managed to alter his game to be more of a challenge on other surfaces. I've seen him up close a few times over the years and he's really not as muscular as is portrayed.

Put it this way, due to his Spanish nationality and the supposed links between fuentes and tennis players it wouldn't suprise me, but that's based on circumstance rather than his look or performance on the court.

Incidentally I'm an ex tennis player and Sportive cyclist.

 

[the sceptic]

What about that time he changed grip and got 10 mph extra on his serve. Completely normal, no?

 

[sniper]

He can also slice incredibly well, has some of the best footwork on the tour, is left-handed (huge weapon against mostly right-hander's) and was already beating more experienced players when he was only 15/16. Yes he began as a clay-court specialist but as managed to alter his game to be more of a challenge on other surfaces. I've seen him up close a few times over the years and he's really not as muscular as is portrayed.

Put it this way, due to his Spanish nationality and the supposed links between fuentes and tennis players it wouldn't suprise me, but that's based on circumstance rather than his look or performance on the court.

Incidentally I'm an ex tennis player and Sportive cyclist.

if the rumors about nadal and fuentes have any merit, it would mean nadal was an early doper.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

if the rumors about nadal and fuentes have any merit, it would mean nadal was an early doper.

I think he got on a programme early.

Also Nadal was not an extreme talent as an early teenager 13-14 he had the makings of a top 50 player but not someone as successful as he's been and not a prodigy in the same way as as Gasquet or Agassi.

Also I disagree with the poster you quoted who said Nadal has a good slice, limited with that shot IMO. I see him as the technically least talented player of the top 4, very much a baseline slugger.

 

[sampras38]

if the rumors about nadal and fuentes have any merit, it would mean nadal was an early doper.

Pure speculation at this stage but going on some of the comments on here Nadal's already been hung drawn and quartered..and based on nothing but rumour and putting 2 and 2 together to make 10.

 

[Caruut]

Pure speculation at this stage but going on some of the comments on here Nadal's already been hung drawn and quartered..and based on nothing but rumour and putting 2 and 2 together to make 10.

What reason is there to believe he's not on the sauce though?

Never tested positive? More like never tested.

 

[sniper]

What reason is there to believe he's not on the sauce though?

Never tested positive? More like never tested.

and sadly true.

 

[robow7]

I have read but don't know that it's true, that Nadal claims to Never spend any time working out with weights and yet the biceps of the man are extreme for a tennis player. You don't get those guns by hitting a tennis ball. Huge forearm, heavy wrist but not those bi's. I like the kid and would hate to think that he has been using Ped's but who knows what Uncle Tony has been feeding him and without his knowledge (Pure speculation with no fact to back up)

Like with Agassi and Gil's shakes.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

I have read but don't know that it's true, that Nadal claims to Never spend any time working out with weights and yet the biceps of the man are extreme for a tennis player. You don't get those guns by hitting a tennis ball. Huge forearm, heavy wrist but not those bi's. I like the kid and would hate to think that he has been using Ped's but who knows what Uncle Tony has been feeding him and without his knowledge (Pure speculation with no fact to back up)

Like with Agassi and Gil's shakes.

What makes it worse is Nadal is a claycourter, the surface where players do the most running, the eccentric exercise makes it difficult to put on much bulk.

 

[Nicko.]

What reason is there to believe he's not on the sauce though?

Never tested positive? More like never tested.

and sadly true.

I think he WAS tested and banned...

Probably tested positive in June 2012, for something minor.
A-sample is reported to ITF, who tells him to 'leave' Wimbledon.
Nadal wants to see B-sample, which is analysed mid July.
Nadal withdraws from London Olympics July 19, for no good reason.
Nadal withdraws from every tournament until 6 months have passed.
Ban is lifted mid January, AFTER the start of Australian Open.
Playing a minor tournament instead of AO would be impossible to explain.
First possible tournament after the AO is the Chile Open, February 5.

Game on!

 

[Tyre Byter]

Like Justine Henin's first "retirement"?

 

[sniper]

I think he WAS tested and banned...

Probably tested positive in June 2012, for something minor.
A-sample is reported to ITF, who tells him to 'leave' Wimbledon.
Nadal wants to see B-sample, which is analysed mid July.
Nadal withdraws from London Olympics July 19, for no good reason.
Nadal withdraws from every tournament until 6 months have passed.
Ban is lifted mid January, AFTER the start of Australian Open.
Playing a minor tournament instead of AO would be impossible to explain.
First possible tournament after the AO is the Chile Open, February 5.

Game on!

Popcorn!

You seem like an insider.

Any chances this'll get out into the open?

 

[Cycling is boring as fk]

Not one poster on here has proof of Nadal or Murray taking PED's.

Just because your sport has been rancid to the very core for the last 15-20 years(and you even had the benefit of Festina) does not allow you to write inflammatory remarks about other athletes with no substance.

If you have proof please post but leave the innuendo alone.

 

[The Hitch]

Not one poster on here has proof of Nadal or Murray taking PED's.

Just because your sort has been rancid to the very core for the last 15-20 years(and you even had the benefit of Festina) does not allow you to write inflammatory remarks about other athletes with no substance.

If you have proof please post but leave the innuendo alone.

Everyone knows nadal takes.peds. Even the French were taking the **** out of his heavy doping on cartoons on national tv.

And im guessing that whatever google search led you here had you suspecting as much.

Ps if you like us you'll love this.

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1

 

[Cyivel]

Not one poster on here has proof of Nadal or Murray taking PED's.

Just because your sport has been rancid to the very core for the last 15-20 years(and you even had the benefit of Festina) does not allow you to write inflammatory remarks about other athletes with no substance.

If you have proof please post but leave the innuendo alone.

Cycling fan, brother?