Tennis

[del1962]

I didn't say a marathon distance runner.

In tournaments players spend vast amounts of time running back and forth on the baseline, they don't drop for crunches and press ups during matches. In tournaments they get a max of one day off in between matches, they are not going to lift weights on these days, I've only heard of players using these days to hit with a partner, do some flexibility/mobility exercises and/or get a massage.

They are in tournaments most of the year, it's only between tournaments they could weight train and have enough time to recover.

I dont think you understand the concept of even a moderate amount of weights enable you to bulk up, I know from personnel experience that two moderate weight sessions a week will put on muscle bulk.

Also if you took steroids without weight training you would not bulk up.

I will repeat, I don't know if Murray is on a program or not, but you can not tell by just saying he has put on muscle since he was 17, and if you beleive you can tell from that then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

[Arnout]

Federer for some time now has had blood samples frozen for analysis at some undetermined point which rather suggests he isn't afraid of the future. Public pronouncements like his, in my opinion, should not be taken at face value. Like a lot of us, he may, among his rivals, suspect Nadal of doping and that Djokovic started a programme himself in 2010/2011 to catch up and supersede Nadal, with Murray following in the wake of Djokovic. He just isn't letting on.

To my eyes, Murray looks the most obviously 'made' of the quartet as, unlike Nadal, we know he had a fairly puny frame. He actually keeled over in one match as a teenage pro - playing Johansson at Queens in 2005. He had no real strength or stamina at all in those years, playing a dinky, defence-oriented game that relied a lot on bunting the ball back. Today he is a tennis power player with a physique to match and the LTA alone has spent well over a million pounds on his development.

Yes. We never know what Federer is really up to but in both action and word he seems genuine. A real ambassador for the sport, one of the greatest ever (in any sport). Same holds for Webber in F1 for example (although he might not be one of the greatest drivers ever).

We need guys like this in cycling, and not Contador, Schleck and Sanchez...

 

[sugarman]

Also if you took steroids without weight training you would not bulk up.

Not entirely true. Steroids induce anabolism (i.e. building of protein/muscle), synthetic steroids, especially nandrolone, have a much more profound anabolic effect than testosterone. In short, you should expect to gain lean muscle mass on a course of steroids whether weight training or not. One of the medical uses of steroid hormones is to stop muscle wasting in immobilized patients - these people certainly aren't weight training, but do gain/maintain muscle. The effect will definitely be more profound when accompanied with weight training though.

 

[sugarman]

Yes. We never know what Federer is really up to but in both action and word he seems genuine. A real ambassador for the sport, one of the greatest ever (in any sport). Same holds for Webber in F1 for example (although he might not be one of the greatest drivers ever).

We need guys like this in cycling, and not Contador, Schleck and Sanchez...

Yeah, Federer certainly comes across as genuine, and genuinely concerned about doping. The vibe I get from him constantly asking for more testing, and especially more blood testing is that he thinks (or probably knows) 'something' is going on at the top of the sport.

Webber's a great ambassador for world sport in my opinion, compare his and Fernando Alonso's thoughts on LA...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/cycling/lance-armstrong-teammates-give-evidence-1373268

 

[sugarman]

To my eyes, Murray looks the most obviously 'made' of the quartet as, unlike Nadal, we know he had a fairly puny frame. He actually keeled over in one match as a teenage pro - playing Johansson at Queens in 2005. He had no real strength or stamina at all in those years, playing a dinky, defence-oriented game that relied a lot on bunting the ball back. Today he is a tennis power player with a physique to match and the LTA alone has spent well over a million pounds on his development.

I reckon Djokovic should win the most obvious prize. His transformation from a guy with almost no endurance renowned for retiring any tough match to probably the most amazing running machine the game has ever seen was remarkable. More so because it seemed to occur 'overnight' i.e. one off-season - in which he also transformed his previously innocuous forehand into a weapon and fixed his liability of a serve. Real donkey to racehorse stuff.

Murray would be vying with Nadal in my eyes for a close second.

 

[zebedee]

I was just going on physiognomy, rather than performance where as you point out the contrast in Djokovic is stark indeed. To my eyes, Djokovic hasn't changed that much and I've seen them all close up.

 

[SundayRider]

Tennis pros simply don't have the amount of rest time to be able to put on muscle like some of them have. Even when they are not playing - they put in huge amounts of hours on the practice court - all that activity makes it very difficult to put on lots of muscle weight in a short space of time.

 

[del1962]

Tennis pros simply don't have the amount of rest time to be able to put on muscle like some of them have. Even when they are not playing - they put in huge amounts of hours on the practice court - all that activity makes it very difficult to put on lots of muscle weight in a short space of time.

We are not talking body biuilder bulk, I am sure they can fit the time in for a twice weekly one hour weight session, which should significantly increase muscle strength, as I said to another poster some of you seem to live in cloud cuckoo land with your arguements ( I am not saying you are stupid, but you are doing a pretty good impression of someone who is),, none of this says anything about whether Nadal, Djorkavic, Federer or Murray dope

 

[Mr.38%]

We are not talking body biuilder bulk, I am sure they can fit the time in for a twice weekly one hour weight session, which should significantly increase muscle strength, as I said to another poster some of you seem to live in cloud cuckoo land with your arguements ( I am not saying you are stupid, but you are doing a pretty good impression of someone who is),, none of this says anything about whether Nadal, Djorkavic, Federer or Murray dope

Dumb and offensive. Lookup Oxandrolone and its therapeutic use, just as an example. Then imagine what T and Nandrolone would do. Oxandrolone has been used for two reasons, a) oral administration and b) moderate suppression of the hypogonadal axis.

Under administration of anabolics, even regular training on court, endurance training and moderate weight lifting will lead to exponential muscle growth (which is what we are witnessing in tennis, especially among female players). Furthermore watch the paper-thin skin, the angular faces and you are looking at anabolic effects par excellence presumably combined with hGH.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Roger Federer calls for biological passports

Roger Federer leads calls for biological passports to catch drug cheats

...there also should be more blood tests and out-of-competition controls in tennis. I didn't get tested on blood after the Australian Open and I told the responsible people over there that it was a big surprise for me."

More...

 

[SundayRider]

Federer has never had the peaks of troughs of fitness that lots of the others have had - plus his physique looks decidedly normal.

 

[the sceptic]

Nadal can barely beat unknowns on clay now. Absurd to see

 

[infeXio]

Bet you he'll win at Roland Garros

 

[the asian]

Nadal can barely beat unknowns on clay now. Absurd to see

Must be without the dope, since he was target tested a lot in recent weeks.

 

[sniper]

Tommy Haas doing remarkably well at the age of 34.

 

[the asian]

Tommy Haas doing remarkably well at the age of 34.

He's dropped a fair bit though. Was a top 20 player in his prime.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DHSxW1V1itk

Quite an old interview with Victor Conte but in it he mentions he worked with Ivan Lendl.

Following on from **** Pounds comments that Lendl was the biggest player from yesteryear but would be tiny today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...certain-that-tennis-has-a-doping-problem.html

No way you can work with Conte for an extended period of time and be clean.

 

[Benotti69]

Federer has never had the peaks of troughs of fitness that lots of the others have had - plus his physique looks decidedly normal.

Federer does the 95% 'marginal gains' all season

 

[Caruut]

Was season-long good form the norm in pre-1990 tennis?

 

[blackcat]

Federer does the 95% 'marginal gains' all season

is he a bone idle w@nker. what about the other 5% ?

Needs to get Brailsford, plus a triathlon coach, and a swimming coach.

 

[sniper]

rule 1. Swiss athletes don't dope.
rule 2. If a Swiss athlete dopes, see rule 1.

 

[blackcat]

rule 1. Swiss athletes don't dope.
rule 2. If a Swiss athlete dopes, see rule 1.

rule 3. There are no rules in Fight Club

 

[zebedee]

The latest big fish caught by the ITF, a journeyman WTA player ranked 124, testing positive with sibutramine whatever that is.

http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping...n-the-case-of-barbora-zahlavova-strýcová.aspx

No explanation as yet as the full decision is yet to be published. The banned substance Sibutramine is not a listed ingredient of the supplement, ACAI Berry Thin, but a problem of contamination has become apparent.

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/ResourcesF...ineSafely/MedicationHealthFraud/ucm276098.htm

 

[sugarman]

The latest big fish caught by the ITF, a journeyman WTA player ranked 124, testing positive with sibutramine whatever that is.

http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping...n-the-case-of-barbora-zahlavova-strýcová.aspx

No explanation as yet as the full decision is yet to be published. The banned substance Sibutramine is not a listed ingredient of the supplement, ACAI Berry Thin, but a problem of contamination has become apparent.

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/ResourcesF...ineSafely/MedicationHealthFraud/ucm276098.htm

With backdating will be out of action for a grand total of 2 months...? ITF sending out another strong message

Sibutramine was marketed for weight loss (as Reductil in Australia), but withdrawn about 2-3 years ago, causing an increased risk of adverse cardio events. It has some stimulant activity, increasing neurotransmitter levels in a similar way to amphetamines. In my opinion would be very marginally performance enhancing at best, but still a banned substance nonetheless.

 

[sugarman]

I was just going on physiognomy, rather than performance where as you point out the contrast in Djokovic is stark indeed. To my eyes, Djokovic hasn't changed that much and I've seen them all close up.

Yep agree, physique alone Murray definitely looks the most made, his upper body change recently has been fairly enormous.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DHSxW1V1itk

Quite an old interview with Victor Conte but in it he mentions he worked with Ivan Lendl.

No way you can work with Conte for an extended period of time and be clean.

Is Lendl usually considered clean? I don't know much about him, but Murray's desire to become huge (with results following) kind of coincides with him working with Lendl