Tennis

[The Hitch]

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In regards to Soderling, a Swedish news source mentioned in 2009 that he failed a drugs test during the French open that year (his first failed test?)...so it would make sense.

Funny how every single player that beats Nadal at his grand slam ends up testing positive

 

[peloton]

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In regards to Soderling, a Swedish news source mentioned in 2009 that he failed a drugs test during the French open that year (his first failed test?)...so it would make sense.

Funny how every single player that beats Nadal at his grand slam ends up testing positive

Truly is. I spoke with an American journo who probably also started these 'silent bans' idiocity. The journo had no idea whatsoever how the AD-testing system works; if a urine sample was +, the journo for some reason thought a blood sample was also needed to take too. And with that logic blaming players who had lost 'escaping' more tests.
It was so bizarre. And the journo almost ran that story in US, blaming players who has lost for testing + or escaping more tests

Fits well here though...

 

[Ticker]

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ITF is under WADA code, no player has a say how long their samples are kept. Unbelievable

This was in 2009 when the ITF first adopted the code. A lot of players complained and it was always in the press.

What? Every Olympic sport is under WADA code, what are you talking about?

I might be wrong but I think that Tennis didn't fully get on board until 2009. It caused an uproar among players.

http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping...ard-ratifies-2009-world-anti-doping-code.aspx

In regards to Soderling, a Swedish news source mentioned in 2009 that he failed a drugs test during the French open that year (his first failed test?)...so it would make sense.

Funny how every single player that beats Nadal at his grand slam ends up testing positive

Truly is. I spoke with an American journo who probably also started these 'silent bans' idiocity. The journo had no idea whatsoever how the AD-testing system works; if a urine sample was +, the journo for some reason thought a blood sample was also needed to take too. And with that logic blaming players who had lost 'escaping' more tests.
It was so bizarre. And the journo almost ran that story in US, blaming players who has lost for testing + or escaping more tests

Fits well here though...

To be fair though Jonas Bjorkman spoke about the ATP/ITF covering up tests way back in 1999 and some writers have claimed that they've heard about such things, so maybe it's true?

 

[peloton]

Pointless, but carry on

 

[sniper]

evidence for silent bans in tennis was discussed in this thread a couple of weeks ago.
from what I can remember, the evidence is pretty real.

recently, bartoli calling it a day after having won wimbledon looked very suspect.

 

[Billie]

Lols Djoker

 

[burning]

LMAO, this is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Nicko.]

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Too long to quote the whole post, but to Nicko above
viewtopic.php?p=1726073#p1726073

"This (of course) is because he is not allowed to train proffesionally while banned, making a swift return impossible to explain."

Not allowed to train professionally? Wut?

If there is a ban, the athlete is not allowed to be coached or train with other athletes or use facilities used by non-banned athletes. WADA 10.12.1
2 months before the ban is lifted, the "training ban" is lifted.

So...
Robin is now allowed to train for the first time since his 4 year "medical problem".
And is already talking about a return to the (freak) show. Go figure.

 

[SeriousSam]

Armstrong and Pantani are at it as I write this. Superhuman

 

[the sceptic]

this match doesn't disappoint so far. Nadal is magically 5 times the player he has been so far this season but still not enough to win that set.

 

[del1962]

Is it Pantani or Armstrong who took the first set

And is it Heras versus Ullrich on the other court while Big Mig is already out

 

[burning]

I think Nadal is slowing down a little bit?

 

[The Hitch]

Stream?

 

[King Boonen]

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Stream?

Is it not on ITV2 right now? Or maybe they're showing the Murray match? Red button?

 

[burning]

I love watching these 2 mutants clashing each other, this is really enjoyable.

Edit: http://crichd.tv/update/ss/euro1.php?width=700&height=450

This is working for me, even though I'm watching this on TV.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Djokovic looks completely unstoppable, he could win every Slam for the next few years.

 

[sniper]

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Djokovic looks completely unstoppable, he could win every Slam for the next few years.

if his body can cope with the doping.

meanwhile, Serena Williams has won his match and is now in the semis.

 

[SeriousSam]

Djokovic is really the perfect tennis player, and he's probably the one over the past few years who has reached the highest level that has ever been reached in tennis. His shotmaking is no worse than prime Federer's, in fact his backhand is significantly better, and his movement is now better than even prime Nadal's. Add his weird flexibility (see below) that allows him to reach even more balls and his infinite endurance and you get unstopability.

 

[sniper]

and he's mentally strong. Unlike Federer, he never let's Nadal's little ticks and fist pumping get to him. But I guess that mental toughness comes with the physical fitness.

 

[Billie]

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and he's mentally strong. Unlike Federer, he never let's Nadal's little ticks and fist pumping get to him.

Nah, he still gets annoyed way too quick. Was already bitching against the umpire earlier that the court had to be sprayed.

 

[burning]

Nadal is blown to pieces, I have never seen that before.

 

[SeriousSam]

Bookies had Djokovic at almost 80% to win this, it's not like it's a surprise. Sad to see Nadal get truly destroyed at RG, tbh.

 

[The Hitch]

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Djokovic is really the perfect tennis player, and he's probably the one over the past few years who has reached the highest level that has ever been reached in tennis. His shotmaking is no worse than prime Federer's, in fact his backhand is significantly better, and his movement is now better than even prime Nadal's. Add his weird flexibility (see below) that allows him to reach even more balls and his infinite endurance and you get unstopability.

Its probably between 2011 Djoko vs 2010 Nadal.

Then 07 Fed.

Murray would be way behind the lot of them imo, and I'd take late 2012 over 2013.
Del Potro 09 as a sort of Riis 1 hit wonder in 5th.
Guys like 14 Warinka, 09 Roddick would complete out the top 10

Guys from the 1990's don't come close. Forget top 10 all time, Prime Sampras would have struggled to make the top 10 generally in the current era.

Which begs the question, why are doped superstars so much better in tennis now than the 1990's, while in cycling the perception is the opposite.

Was there no doping in the 1990's. lol Tennis was probably just as bad as cycling if not worse. But cycling has done enough on the anti doping front to keep doping more or less static as drugs improve. Tennis has no controls so with every new drug the players improve. EPO in 1990's, super steroids in the 2000's they keep adding onto it and the sport is becoming more hulkish.

 

[snccdcno]

McEnroe talking about him doing the calendar grand slam and going on to catch Federer.

 

[burning]

Re: Re:

Djokovic is really the perfect tennis player, and he's probably the one over the past few years who has reached the highest level that has ever been reached in tennis. His shotmaking is no worse than prime Federer's, in fact his backhand is significantly better, and his movement is now better than even prime Nadal's. Add his weird flexibility (see below) that allows him to reach even more balls and his infinite endurance and you get unstopability.

Its probably between 2011 Djoko vs 2010 Nadal.

Then 07 Fed.

Murray would be way behind the lot of them imo, and I'd take late 2012 over 2013.
Del Potro 09 as a sort of Riis 1 hit wonder in 5th.
Guys like 14 Warinka, 09 Roddick would complete out the top 10

Guys from the 1990's don't come close. Forget top 10 all time, Prime Sampras would have struggled to make the top 10 generally in the current era.

Which begs the question, why are doped superstars so much better in tennis now than the 1990's, while in cycling the perception is the opposite.

Was there no doping in the 1990's. lol Tennis was probably just as bad as cycling if not worse. But cycling has done enough on the anti doping front to keep doping more or less static as drugs improve. Tennis has no controls so with every new drug the players improve. EPO in 1990's, super steroids in the 2000's they keep adding onto it and the sport is becoming more hulkish.

I mostly agree with your list but I got 2 objections.

1- I think this Djoker is better than 2011.
2- Was Roddick that impressive in 2009? I remember him going crazy on Wimbledon but I don't know how he performed during whole year and his career got simply shut down after that final.