The 2012 CQ Ranking Manager Game

[hrotha]

So, how does the Pozzato situation affect his score? I imagine this counts as a doping suspension and he loses his points?

 

[mc_mountain]

So, how does the Pozzato situation affect his score? I imagine this counts as a doping suspension and he loses his points?

Unless he loses his results (not seen that this is likely) and the results are changed on CQ website (as per OP), he should keep his points. Would be good for me if he didnt.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Wow I climbed 10 places

 

[ansimi]

So, how does the Pozzato situation affect his score? I imagine this counts as a doping suspension and he loses his points?

He's not losing any results.

But it is a doping suspension so next year he should be a bargain at his 2011 cost of 311!

I was just thinking that there are actually several riders on my team I might re-use next year.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

So, how does the Pozzato situation affect his score? I imagine this counts as a doping suspension and he loses his points?

As someone mentioned, he won't lose his points unless CQRanking removes them.

He would, theoretically, be a bargain next yeat at 311 points, yes, but we'll probably have to revise this rule so another Rui Costa case doesn't occur.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Update 36: Tuarts and the asian are flying!

A few things happened in the top 10 in an eventful week. Most notably, MADRAZO lost 6 places, dropping from 8th to 14th. In his absence, theyoungest is back in the top 10, now sitting in 8th place.

At the very top, Kvinto and TeoSheva swap positions, as Kvinto has a very good week, scoring 1149 points, while TeoSheva only managed 817.

skidmark is - dare I say of course? - still our leader and is still more than 1000 points ahead of second placed Kvinto. It certainly looks like a dominant victory for skidmark.

Top 10:

1. (1) skidmark - 17333
2. (3) Kvinto - 16224
3. (2) TeoSheva - 16040
4. (5) Nyssinator - 16001
5. (4) EvansIsTheBest - 15578
6. (6) Armchair cyclist - 15348
7. (7) FF'Wilco - 15276
8. (12) theyoungest - 14792
9. (10) mc_mountain - 14611
10. (9) shalgo - 14582

We've got some high scoring teams this week. Even though Kvinto scored 1149 points, he's not even close to being included in the list of high scorers this week which is topped by Tuarts with 1481 points, closely followed by the asian who scores 1425 points.

It's not surprising that Tuarts and the asian dominates this award, though. Tuarts' team include Nibali, Gesink, Anton, Rui Costa, Renshaw, Henao and one of the true superstars of this game, Moser, while the asians team include Gerrans, Anton, Roche, Talansky, Henao and the aforementioned Moser.

High scorers this week:

1. Tuarts - 1481
2. the asian - 1425
3. minessa - 1385
4. Kwibus - 1313
5. Geraint Too Fast - 1272

But Tuarts' and the asians dominance doesn't end here. At the top of the high jumpers this week list, we also find these two team, this time tied for the first place. Both teams jump 16 places. Pretty good at this point of the game!

High jumpers this week:

1. Tuarts +16
1. the asian +16
3. Kwibus +14
4. Squire +11
5. Von Mises +10

As a final note this week: we're almost there! I'm of course talking about us all turning a profit. Only three teams are still in the red: Team Kapiris, lacking 794 points, the mysterious Sdrawkcab, lacking 801 points and Weeley Wheeler in last place, lacking 1435 points.

Direct download: http://cqmanager.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/CQ-Rankings-Update-361.xls

 

[Nyssinator]

CQManager: Bobridge has 187 points on your page, and P Kennaugh has 5 points. They should both have zero points.

 

[al_pacino]

As someone mentioned, he won't lose his points unless CQRanking removes them.

He would, theoretically, be a bargain next yeat at 311 points, yes, but we'll probably have to revise this rule so another Rui Costa case doesn't occur.

I'm thought it was agreed upon in one of these CQ threads was to take the highest score from the possible scoring years in one of these "rui Costa" situations.

 

[will10]

I'm thought it was agreed upon in one of these CQ threads was to take the highest score from the possible scoring years in one of these "rui Costa" situations.

That was my suggestion, and though i'd love to get Pozzato on my team again at 311, it doesn't seem right. Still, worth a punt at 460?

 

[Hugo Koblet]

I'm thought it was agreed upon in one of these CQ threads was to take the highest score from the possible scoring years in one of these "rui Costa" situations.

It's not exactly "agreed upon" yet, but I certainly think it's a good idea.

 

[jsem94]

I climbed 11 places... wow.

 

[skidmark]

It's not exactly "agreed upon" yet, but I certainly think it's a good idea.

Yeah, it seems to make sense to have something in place to address this. I liked the rules that were put in place last year, they seemed to make sense (last full year), but maybe if for next year's game you published a list of all banned riders you could choose, we could kind of collectively clarify what they'd be worth, if the idea is that you're penalized for picking formerly suspended riders. Or Pozzato could be a 'deal', but a 'deal' that everyone knows about. I certainly felt clever realizing last December that Rui Costa would be a cheap deal in a sense, but I would have been happy if the rules made it so that he wasn't as well.

 

[skidmark]

Huh, I was just looking through the standings in detail for the first time in awhile and noticed that 4 of the top 5 teams had Offredo, which seemed to doom our teams a bit on the second day of the game back in January when it came out that he missed his whereabouts. Just goes to show that it's a long game and we've got big teams to pick. Thought it was kind of interesting, is all.

I'd probably pick him again next year at 295 points...

 

[Froome19]

Huh, I was just looking through the standings in detail for the first time in awhile and noticed that 4 of the top 5 teams had Offredo, which seemed to doom our teams a bit on the second day of the game back in January when it came out that he missed his whereabouts. Just goes to show that it's a long game and we've got big teams to pick. Thought it was kind of interesting, is all.

I'd probably pick him again next year at 295 points...

Also probably shows he was a damn good pick, if 4 of the top 5 picked him.

 

[will10]

Huh, I was just looking through the standings in detail for the first time in awhile and noticed that 4 of the top 5 teams had Offredo, which seemed to doom our teams a bit on the second day of the game back in January when it came out that he missed his whereabouts. Just goes to show that it's a long game and we've got big teams to pick. Thought it was kind of interesting, is all.

I'd probably pick him again next year at 295 points...

I would too but I'm not sure we can? He will start the year still suspended.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Yeah, it seems to make sense to have something in place to address this. I liked the rules that were put in place last year, they seemed to make sense (last full year), but maybe if for next year's game you published a list of all banned riders you could choose, we could kind of collectively clarify what they'd be worth, if the idea is that you're penalized for picking formerly suspended riders. Or Pozzato could be a 'deal', but a 'deal' that everyone knows about. I certainly felt clever realizing last December that Rui Costa would be a cheap deal in a sense, but I would have been happy if the rules made it so that he wasn't as well.

Regarding next year, then it will probably depend whether we will have to pick our teams through cqmanager.net - in which case everyone will know exactly the cost of each rider.

If not, then I'll publish an Excel file with all rider's values as well as a template for selecting one's team. In that case all you have to do is send back this Excel file to me or copy and paste the team directly from the file and send it in a PM. Makes it much easier for everyone involved - me included

 

[vladimir]

Regarding next year, then it will probably depend whether we will have to pick our teams through cqmanager.net - in which case everyone will know exactly the cost of each rider.

If not, then I'll publish an Excel file with all rider's values as well as a template for selecting one's team. In that case all you have to do is send back this Excel file to me or copy and paste the team directly from the file and send it in a PM. Makes it much easier for everyone involved - me included

Probably a good idea, but it would be one hell of a list to pick from online. In addition to the approximately 3000 riders that have scored points in 2012 you also need(?) to include all zero pointers with contracts for 2013. Excel file seems like a better idea?

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Probably a good idea, but it would be one hell of a list to pick from online. In addition to the approximately 3000 riders that have scored points in 2012 you also need(?) to include all zero pointers with contracts for 2013. Excel file seems like a better idea?

I don't remember if you've participated in the Giro/Tour/Vuelta games, but as it is right now, you chose a team on the website and pick the rider you want from that team, so it's a lot easier than it would be if you just have one long list of riders

It's pretty easy to use if you already know what your team looks like.

However, that does raise at least one issue: how are we to find the riders that have no team, or, as you mention, riders with 0 points?

The Excel list I was talking about won't include 0 pointers either, so I guess those are to be found by the website

 

[will10]

I don't remember if you've participated in the Giro/Tour/Vuelta games, but as it is right now, you chose a team on the website and pick the rider you want from that team, so it's a lot easier than it would be if you just have one long list of riders

It's pretty easy to use if you already know what your team looks like.

However, that does raise at least one issue: how are we to find the riders that have no team, or, as you mention, riders with 0 points?

The Excel list I was talking about won't include 0 pointers either, so I guess those are to be found by the website

That wasn't a problem this year sending in a list of rider names for you to import into your master Excel sheet. The Excel lookup windows just display 0 for riders it can't find IIRC?

 

[Hugo Koblet]

That wasn't a problem this year sending in a list of rider names for you to import into your master Excel sheet. The Excel lookup windows just display 0 for riders it can't find IIRC?

It wasn't a problem per se but it was a problem when people sent in their list not based on the requested formular. Some sent it in like this:

1. Name
2. Name

Others like this:

Name - value
Name - value

Other teams had a too high value, misspelled names etc. In all of these cases I had to delete the "1., 2." and the "value, value" for each rider and so on, which took quite a bit of time.

This I of course would like to avoid, which is why I came up with the idea of publishing an Excel file because then you could just copy the list directly from that or even just send the file back to me once you've created your team.

You will still have to type in the names manually but then it will automatically "lookup" as you mention, and you will be able to see the value of each rider as well as your team as a whole immediately.

You are correct, that the value will return as "0" in case the rider isn't in the list, which in a turn just means that his value is just that: 0.

The point I was trying to make was just that you wouldn't be able to go through the list in the Excel file and find all riders with a value of "0" because they won't be there. It will only be riders with a value of 1+, so you will still have to find your own "secret" 0 point riders

 

[skidmark]

I would too but I'm not sure we can? He will start the year still suspended.

No, we could pick someone who is suspended as far as I know, although my only frame of reference is Contador, who wasn't suspended when he was picked this year... but it doesn't seem to be advantageous to pick someone who is suspended for some of the year... I guess we do need to clarify before next season.

 

[Kvinto]

No, we could pick someone who is suspended as far as I know, although my only frame of reference is Contador, who wasn't suspended when he was picked this year... but it doesn't seem to be advantageous to pick someone who is suspended for some of the year... I guess we do need to clarify before next season.

Yoann's suspension ends on 31 January 2013.

From the first post of the thread:

...
4.1. Previous doped riders:

You are free to pick riders who have been convicted for using doping as long as their suspension is over. This means that you are not allowed to pick riders who's suspension will be lifted after the first race of the 2012 season has been raced. For instance, David Garcia Dapena is suspended untill October 6 2012 and is thus not eligible to be picked.
This also affects riders provisionally suspended.
...

Not that I care much but that's how it was (supposed to be) in the 2012 CQ Game. It is of course up to Hugo to change this rule but if we play the 2013 Game with current rules Offredo would be unavailable

 

[CQmanager]

We should have a poll about the way we will do the game next year. Online vs Excel.

If we vote online, I can prepare the website game. As per heaving riders to chose from, current CQ update has about 2700 names that scored points in 2012 and all those are available. I do also have all riders from last year so the only unavailable riders would be the new riders with zero points from last two years and we can ad those per request.

If we decide to submit our teams through excel or personal messaging, I wont be doing the website because it is too much work to enter/match all riders.

You guys decide, I'm OK with both.

BTW I'm planning on doing some new games for 1 day races next year. Stay tuned

CQM

 

[jsem94]

Excel works very fine for me. You're gonna have to look for neo-pros etc there anyway.

 

[Kvinto]

Excel FTW.

Once you have the file, you can easily update it by yourself. That's very convenient.