The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

[Skibby the bush kangaroo]

BTW Anybody has the "ideal team" from last year?

If you mean in terms of having the riders picked the most times I think it would be the following that scored 12954 points (and come 17th)

Name TimesPicked Cost CQ2014
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew 51 20 308
ARU Fabio 86 262 1092
BARGUIL Warren 37 340 546
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 62 743 429
BOONEN Tom 138 139 783
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 90 0 476
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 44 1228 2543
COPPEL Jérôme 56 163 288
DE GENDT Thomas 90 154 54
DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd 76 97 10
DUARTE AREVALO Fabio Andres 45 119 284
EWAN Caleb 58 110 95
GERDEMANN Linus 89 0 111
GOSS Matthew 106 217 66
GUARDINI Andrea 44 182 289
HENAO GOMEZ Sebastian 38 1 96
HESJEDAL Ryder 78 294 528
KENNAUGH Peter 40 93 600
KESSIAKOFF Fredrik 90 42 25
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 41 125 374
MOHORIC Matej 44 126 55
MOSER Moreno 105 353 87
NUYENS Nick 44 30 30
PHINNEY Taylor 56 475 320
QUINTANA ROJAS Dayer Uberney 42 0 161
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon 48 380 543
SCHLECK Andy 127 99 37
TAARAMÄE Rein 64 143 389
URAN URAN Rigoberto 73 742 938
VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen 94 341 364
VANENDERT Jelle 65 96 534
VILLELLA Davide 40 219 292
YATES Simon 51 164 207

 

[Hugo Koblet]

If you mean in terms of having the riders picked the most times I think it would be the following that scored 12954 points (and come 17th)

I think he meant "the best possible team last year". I recall you doing something similar in a previous version which was very interesting to see!

 

[Nicosix]

My gosh!

I've just realized I put away Sergio Henao while thinking it was Sébastian...

I couldn't understand why I was so low in popularity and that's why...

 

[cineteq]

Did Jancouver, or anybody else compile the rest of the rider popularity list?

HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 131
EWAN Caleb 129
PORTE Richie 123
CAVENDISH Mark 117
MOSER Moreno 115
GESINK Robert 114
DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd 114
GOSS Matthew 105
YATES Simon 106
DE GENDT Thomas 94
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 92
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto Akuryo 83
STANNARD Ian 72
[...]

 

[del1962]

Did Jancouver, or anybody else compile the rest of the rider popularity list?

HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 131
EWAN Caleb 129
PORTE Richie 123
CAVENDISH Mark 117
MOSER Moreno 115
GESINK Robert 114
DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd 114
GOSS Matthew 105
YATES Simon 106
DE GENDT Thomas 94
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 92
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto Akuryo 83
STANNARD Ian 72
[...]

Picked all on that list with the exception of Betancur and Simon Yates, who I originally had on my list but I wanted Kudus in my team and he got replaced.

Looks like half the CQ Managers think Betancur will do well, I have my doubts.

 

[Netserk]

Even if he doesn't do well, do will still do decently (400+). If he does good he could very well be one of the best picks (1500+).

 

[Skibby the bush kangaroo]

I think he meant "the best possible team last year". I recall you doing something similar in a previous version which was very interesting to see!

That's what I wasn't sure about.

As far as I can work out this is the optimal team, which gets a monstrous score of 26042:

Name Cost CQ2014
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 1228 2543
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 995 1948
GERRANS Simon 511 1736
DUMOULIN Tom 601 1408
PERAUD Jean-Christophe 586 1312
ARU Fabio 262 1092
VAN ASBROECK Tom 250 1086
MATTHEWS Michael 470 980
COLBRELLI Sonny 276 878
NAVARDAUSKAS Ramunas 242 806
BOONEN Tom 139 783
WELLENS Tim 132 748
SWIFT Ben 158 745
FINETTO Mauro 293 705
YATES Adam 55 662
KENNAUGH Peter 93 600
FORMOLO Davide 59 593
BAUGNIES Jérôme 117 580
VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael 82 563
VANENDERT Jelle 96 534
HAAS Nathan 104 523
VAN GENECHTEN Jonas 153 521
BOLE Grega 166 521
DILLIER Silvan 106 492
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 18 484
ZAKARIN Ilnur 86 478
DI GREGORIO Rémy 35 476
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 0 476
JANS Roy 41 404
DAVIDENOK Ilya 58 372
HARDY Romain 46 354
JUUL JENSEN Christopher 15 331
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew 20 308
Total 7493 26042

 

[will10]

Even if he doesn't do well, do will still do decently (400+). If he does good he could very well be one of the best picks (1500+).

He is the Cobo choice this year.

Could score 30, could score 1500+

 

[will10]

Generally the most popular score is a good one to be high up on as the vast majority of players have a very good knowledge of the scene, and will at the very least pick out the obvious riders who "should" improve considerably on the season before. If you're not high up on this ranking then the chances are you have missed at least one rider who can take any chance away from you (if e.g. he is on 100+ other teams). The most extreme example I can remember is from the first year of the game when Cobo was a zero pointer... 1000 point head-start anyone?

 

[Jancouver]

That's what I wasn't sure about.

As far as I can work out this is the optimal team, which gets a monstrous score of 26042:

Name Cost CQ2014
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 1228 2543
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 995 1948
GERRANS Simon 511 1736
DUMOULIN Tom 601 1408
PERAUD Jean-Christophe 586 1312
ARU Fabio 262 1092
VAN ASBROECK Tom 250 1086
MATTHEWS Michael 470 980
COLBRELLI Sonny 276 878
NAVARDAUSKAS Ramunas 242 806
BOONEN Tom 139 783
WELLENS Tim 132 748
SWIFT Ben 158 745
FINETTO Mauro 293 705
YATES Adam 55 662
KENNAUGH Peter 93 600
FORMOLO Davide 59 593
BAUGNIES Jérôme 117 580
VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael 82 563
VANENDERT Jelle 96 534
HAAS Nathan 104 523
VAN GENECHTEN Jonas 153 521
BOLE Grega 166 521
DILLIER Silvan 106 492
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 18 484
ZAKARIN Ilnur 86 478
DI GREGORIO Rémy 35 476
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 0 476
JANS Roy 41 404
DAVIDENOK Ilya 58 372
HARDY Romain 46 354
JUUL JENSEN Christopher 15 331
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew 20 308
Total 7493 26042

Yea! Thats what I was referring to but thanks for both! Actually seeing the common picks at 17th place last year was a little surprising but I guess every year most players are getting better at picking riders and therefore the popular picks should score higher.

 

[will10]

Yea! Thats what I was referring to but thanks for both! Actually seeing the common picks at 17th place last year was a little surprising but I guess every year most players are getting better at picking riders and therefore the popular picks should score higher.

I think the "common picks" team normally ends up higher than that, but re: 2014 I think that's more a sign of the most popular riders for 2014 underperforming:

2014s top 10 most picked riders (http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1382298&postcount=276):
BOONEN Tom 135
SCHLECK Andy 123
MOSER Moreno 103
GOSS Matthew 102
VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen 93
DE GENDT Thomas 88
GERDEMANN Linus 87
KESSIAKOFF Fredrik 87
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 86
ARU Fabio 84

 

[Jancouver]

Top picks

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[Jancouver]

Unique picks


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[Hugo Koblet]

That's what I wasn't sure about.

As far as I can work out this is the optimal team, which gets a monstrous score of 26042:

Name Cost CQ2014
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 1228 2543
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 995 1948
GERRANS Simon 511 1736
DUMOULIN Tom 601 1408
PERAUD Jean-Christophe 586 1312
ARU Fabio 262 1092
VAN ASBROECK Tom 250 1086
MATTHEWS Michael 470 980
COLBRELLI Sonny 276 878
NAVARDAUSKAS Ramunas 242 806
BOONEN Tom 139 783
WELLENS Tim 132 748
SWIFT Ben 158 745
FINETTO Mauro 293 705
YATES Adam 55 662
KENNAUGH Peter 93 600
FORMOLO Davide 59 593
BAUGNIES Jérôme 117 580
VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael 82 563
VANENDERT Jelle 96 534
HAAS Nathan 104 523
VAN GENECHTEN Jonas 153 521
BOLE Grega 166 521
DILLIER Silvan 106 492
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 18 484
ZAKARIN Ilnur 86 478
DI GREGORIO Rémy 35 476
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 0 476
JANS Roy 41 404
DAVIDENOK Ilya 58 372
HARDY Romain 46 354
JUUL JENSEN Christopher 15 331
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew 20 308
Total 7493 26042

Thanks! By far the most interesting to take away from this is that Finetto who "only" improved by 240% while being in what I would call the "average area" costing 293 when the average is 7500/33 = 227 is in the team.

 

[Skibby the bush kangaroo]

For reference this is the team that optimizes rider popularity for 2015. It is pretty much the top riders until you get down to people like Froome and Sagan who are too expensive to fit. It is at a slight disadvantage in only using 7348 points.

Name Cost Popularity
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 92 132
EWAN Caleb 95 130
PORTE Richie 415 124
CAVENDISH Mark 642 118
MOSER Moreno 87 116
GESINK Robert 274 115
DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd 10 114
YATES Simon 207 107
GOSS MATTHEW 66 106
DE GENDT Thomas 54 94
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 429 93
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto 616 84
STANNARD Ian 250 72
ATAPUMA HURTADO Jhon Darwin 102 69
HENAO GOMEZ Sebastian 96 60
MOHORIC Matej 55 59
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 69 57
TALANSKY Andrew 534 52
JUNGELS Bob 240 49
TEUNS Dylan 167 47
QUINTANA ROJAS Dayer Uberney 161 41
STUYVEN Jasper 158 41
BRAJKOVIC Janez 172 40
HIVERT Jonathan 169 40
RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquim 1150 40
ELISSONDE Kenny 115 37
SCHUMACHER Stefan 60 36
BARGUIL Warren 546 35
KUMP Marko 28 34
VERVAEKE Louis 115 32
KÜNG Stefan 103 30
LATOUR Pierre-Roger 71 30
MORTON Lachlan 0 30
Total 7348 2264

 

[Jancouver]

Thanks! By far the most interesting to take away from this is that Finetto who "only" improved by 240% while being in what I would call the "average area" costing 293 when the average is 7500/33 = 227 is in the team.

I dont think percentage is the right or even good way of measuring success since cheap riders will always score higher percentage.

Rider going from 10 points to 100 points will improve 1000%
Rider going from 500 points to 1500 points will score 300%

Which one would you rather have?

 

[Skibby the bush kangaroo]

Thanks! By far the most interesting to take away from this is that Finetto who "only" improved by 240% while being in what I would call the "average area" costing 293 when the average is 7500/33 = 227 is in the team.

A good way of seeing how vital each rider was is to look at the best solution you could get that didn't include each particular rider and see how much worse that team is compared to the full optimum.

Finetto is indeed somewhat expendable since without him you can still get a team with 26018. The others of a similar nature are Hardy and Anacona, whereas missing out Gerrans and Contador was pretty costly:

Rider Penalty for exclusion
HARDY Romain 24
FINETTO Mauro 24
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew 24
DAVIDENOK Ilya 38
JUUL JENSEN Christopher 47
VAN GENECHTEN Jonas 53
BOLE Grega 53
MATTHEWS Michael 63
JANS Roy 74
DILLIER Silvan 80
ZAKARIN Ilnur 98
HAAS Nathan 111
VANENDERT Jelle 140
BAUGNIES Jérôme 144
DI GREGORIO Rémy 146
PERAUD Jean-Christophe 184
NAVARDAUSKAS Ramunas 189
VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael 191
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 200
KENNAUGH Peter 206
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 212
COLBRELLI Sonny 219
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 231
DUMOULIN Tom 250
FORMOLO Davide 259
SWIFT Ben 277
WELLENS Tim 290
BOONEN Tom 315
YATES Adam 332
ARU Fabio 457
VAN ASBROECK Tom 469
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 492
GERRANS Simon 690

 

[Jancouver]

For reference this is the team that optimizes rider popularity for 2015. It is pretty much the top riders until you get down to people like Froome and Sagan who are too expensive to fit. It is at a slight disadvantage in only using 7348 points.

Name Cost Popularity
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 92 132
EWAN Caleb 95 130
PORTE Richie 415 124
CAVENDISH Mark 642 118
MOSER Moreno 87 116
GESINK Robert 274 115
DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd 10 114
YATES Simon 207 107
GOSS MATTHEW 66 106
DE GENDT Thomas 54 94
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 429 93
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto 616 84
STANNARD Ian 250 72
ATAPUMA HURTADO Jhon Darwin 102 69
HENAO GOMEZ Sebastian 96 60
MOHORIC Matej 55 59
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 69 57
TALANSKY Andrew 534 52
JUNGELS Bob 240 49
TEUNS Dylan 167 47
QUINTANA ROJAS Dayer Uberney 161 41
STUYVEN Jasper 158 41
BRAJKOVIC Janez 172 40
HIVERT Jonathan 169 40
RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquim 1150 40
ELISSONDE Kenny 115 37
SCHUMACHER Stefan 60 36
BARGUIL Warren 546 35
KUMP Marko 28 34
VERVAEKE Louis 115 32
KÜNG Stefan 103 30
LATOUR Pierre-Roger 71 30
MORTON Lachlan 0 30
Total 7348 2264

Nice work but I think it would make sense to have one of the expensive picks included as majority of teams have riders (Sagan, Quintana, Froome) that are more expensive than Purito

 

[PeterB]

UNIQUE PICKS
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1 EXAMPLE Rider
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I'm not sure if this one scores many points...

 

[Jancouver]

I'm not sure if this one scores many points...

No kidding!

I'm not good with Excel and was having some issues uploading the data to my MySQL server so you have to be happy with having EXAMPLE Rider as a part of the game

 

[Skibby the bush kangaroo]

Nice work but I think it would make sense to have one of the expensive picks included as majority of teams have riders (Sagan, Quintana, Froome) that are more expensive than Purito

Yes I agree. You can get a much sensibler team worth 2258 picks and using 7461 CQ points if we constrain Froome to be in the team:

Rider Cost TimesPicked
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 92 132
EWAN Caleb 95 130
PORTE Richie 415 124
CAVENDISH Mark 642 118
MOSER Moreno 87 116
GESINK Robert 274 115
DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd 10 114
YATES Simon 207 107
GOSS MATTHEW 66 106
DE GENDT Thomas 54 94
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 429 93
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto 616 84
STANNARD Ian 250 72
ATAPUMA HURTADO Jhon Darwin 102 69
HENAO GOMEZ Sebastian 96 60
MOHORIC Matej 55 59
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 69 57
TALANSKY Andrew 534 52
JUNGELS Bob 240 49
TEUNS Dylan 167 47
QUINTANA ROJAS Dayer Uberney 161 41
STUYVEN Jasper 158 41
BRAJKOVIC Janez 172 40
HIVERT Jonathan 169 40
ELISSONDE Kenny 115 37
FROOME Chris 1437 36
SCHUMACHER Stefan 60 36
BOOM Lars 421 34
KUMP Marko 28 34
VERVAEKE Louis 115 32
LATOUR Pierre-Roger 71 30
MORTON Lachlan 0 30
FLAKEMORE Campbell 54 29
Total 7461 2258

 

[Hugo Koblet]

I dont think percentage is the right or even good way of measuring success since cheap riders will always score higher percentage.

Rider going from 10 points to 100 points will improve 1000%
Rider going from 500 points to 1500 points will score 300%

Which one would you rather have?

Exactly. That's why I was surprised that Finetto is in the team because he's not that expensive and didn't provide a huge return percentage wise. I would have expected that a rider costing 293 would have to provide a bigger return than Finetto did to be in the team.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

A good way of seeing how vital each rider was is to look at the best solution you could get that didn't include each particular rider and see how much worse that team is compared to the full optimum.

Finetto is indeed somewhat expendable since without him you can still get a team with 26018. The others of a similar nature are Hardy and Anacona, whereas missing out Gerrans and Contador was pretty costly:

Rider Penalty for exclusion
HARDY Romain 24
FINETTO Mauro 24
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew 24
DAVIDENOK Ilya 38
JUUL JENSEN Christopher 47
VAN GENECHTEN Jonas 53
BOLE Grega 53
MATTHEWS Michael 63
JANS Roy 74
DILLIER Silvan 80
ZAKARIN Ilnur 98
HAAS Nathan 111
VANENDERT Jelle 140
BAUGNIES Jérôme 144
DI GREGORIO Rémy 146
PERAUD Jean-Christophe 184
NAVARDAUSKAS Ramunas 189
VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael 191
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 200
KENNAUGH Peter 206
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 212
COLBRELLI Sonny 219
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 231
DUMOULIN Tom 250
FORMOLO Davide 259
SWIFT Ben 277
WELLENS Tim 290
BOONEN Tom 315
YATES Adam 332
ARU Fabio 457
VAN ASBROECK Tom 469
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 492
GERRANS Simon 690

Thanks. That confirms my theory that Finetto was one of the worst picks in the best team possible.

 

[NairoQ]

Yes I agree. You can get a much sensibler team worth 2258 picks and using 7461 CQ points if we constrain Froome to be in the team:

I liked the earlier version better. It's not like that many people picked Froome, after all...

 

[NairoQ]

A good way of seeing how vital each rider was is to look at the best solution you could get that didn't include each particular rider and see how much worse that team is compared to the full optimum.

Finetto is indeed somewhat expendable since without him you can still get a team with 26018. The others of a similar nature are Hardy and Anacona, whereas missing out Gerrans and Contador was pretty costly:

Rider Penalty for exclusion
HARDY Romain 24
FINETTO Mauro 24
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew 24
DAVIDENOK Ilya 38
JUUL JENSEN Christopher 47
VAN GENECHTEN Jonas 53
BOLE Grega 53
MATTHEWS Michael 63
JANS Roy 74
DILLIER Silvan 80
ZAKARIN Ilnur 98
HAAS Nathan 111
VANENDERT Jelle 140
BAUGNIES Jérôme 144
DI GREGORIO Rémy 146
PERAUD Jean-Christophe 184
NAVARDAUSKAS Ramunas 189
VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael 191
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 200
KENNAUGH Peter 206
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 212
COLBRELLI Sonny 219
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 231
DUMOULIN Tom 250
FORMOLO Davide 259
SWIFT Ben 277
WELLENS Tim 290
BOONEN Tom 315
YATES Adam 332
ARU Fabio 457
VAN ASBROECK Tom 469
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 492
GERRANS Simon 690

This is indeed the best way to see how vital a rider is, it reflects what one would think quite well. Nice work!