The 2016 Tour of Britain (2.HC) 04/09-11/09/2016

[Jagartrott]

Advanced mathematics there by the ITV commentator - wow.

 

[King Boonen]

I've started watching now.

 

[King Boonen]

Come on ABS!! (Anyone But Sky ).

 

[Pricey_sky]

If that time gap is right I don't think they will catch them

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Sky's PR will be earning their money today https://twitter.com/AndyRolfe65/status/773804492685017088

Shocking, really stupid from the driver.

Sky have tweeted an apology and said it's completely unacceptable and will be speaking to thier driver. They've also asked for the posters details so maybe some freebies coming his way.

Speaking to the driver? Unacceptable, they should be out the door. It's a professional driver who was very lucky not to kill someone there.

I love all the 'Chapeau' balls on Twitter at Sky apologizing. The driver should be binned.

Fran Millar sounding a bit like a broken record...

And yes, "Chapeau" for apologising because you nearly seriously injured/killed someone? I didn't think I could dislike Sky any more...

Dont think Sky or Fran Miller ever mentioned chapeau did they?

 

[MartinGT]

NEG Moto nearly coming a cropper then.

 

[PremierAndrew]

This is going to be close

 

[MartinGT]

Man this is going cloooooooooooooooooooose

 

[MartinGT]

Wow Ewan flying then. Well done to the break

 

[Pricey_sky]

What a great finish, Bauer wins!

 

[Alexandre B.]

No, Amaël.

Jack Bauer played the break...

 

[DBotero]

Close one Nice win for Bauer.

 

[King Boonen]

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Dont think Sky or Fran Miller ever mentioned chapeau did they?

No, I meant people saying Sky were great for apologising so quickly. I'm letting the fans of the team affect my feelings towards them but I'm angry at what appears to be a lack of any real action. I know, I should give them time.

 

[Jagartrott]

Break deserved it, and wheelsuckers of Orica et al. not. Only the two Lotto's did the effort.

 

[King Boonen]

Glad I tuned in when I did, good finish that!

 

[Samamba]

I don't get how Orica can have fans, what a team full of losers.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Dont think Sky or Fran Miller ever mentioned chapeau did they?

No, I meant people saying Sky were great for apologising so quickly. I'm letting the fans of the team affect my feelings towards them but I'm angry at what appears to be a lack of any real action. I know, I should give them time.

Fair enough, I wondered if I missed something. I tend to find most riders/teams have there fair share of 'loony' fans on social media so I try not to base my opinions on them, very difficult sometimes I must admit!

Hopefully they give the rider some good compensation.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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I don't get how Orica can have fans, what a team full of losers.

they did absolutely no work, and Ewan finishes 5 metres away from a stage win, that is justice.

 

[Bushman]

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I don't get how Orica can have fans, what a team full of losers.

You didnt watch the Vuelta the other day?

 

[HelloDolly]

Poor AmeilMoinard...did most of the work andlooked very strong....Lost ot the smarter rider

 

[MatParker117]

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Dont think Sky or Fran Miller ever mentioned chapeau did they?

No, I meant people saying Sky were great for apologising so quickly. I'm letting the fans of the team affect my feelings towards them but I'm angry at what appears to be a lack of any real action. I know, I should give them time.

Fair enough, I wondered if I missed something. I tend to find most riders/teams have there fair share of 'loony' fans on social media so I try not to base my opinions on them, very difficult sometimes I must admit!

Hopefully they give the rider some good compensation.

Signed gear and a bike?

 

[yaco]

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Today's stage showed the folly of 6 riders teams in a week stage race - Especially one on difficult terrain.

This field is quite weak and heterogeneous - I would not extrapolate too much.

The race has 11 WT teams - It's a mixture of strong teams and some weak WT teams - It's a fair sample.

With 2 WT races (Vuelta and Canadian) going on at the same time, it's not possible to have a strong field. It *is* quite a weak field, and also quite heterogeneous with riders you never see in many other races. That's no shame, it's the same with other non-WT stage races. But I don't think results should be used to make sweeping conclusions about 6-rider teams in major week-long stage races - where the field (and stakes) will be very different.

You make some good arguments - My post was in the context of whether the 91 riders who missed the time cut in the Vuelta stage 15 - Should have been excluded from the race ? That would have left 71 riders and that is 71 tired riders for the last 6 stages, which would have lead to conservative racing - Look at today's stage at the Tour of Britain - The peleton couldn't reel in a breakaway ( who were a touch disorganised ) who had 1m and 30s with 15kms to go.

My post is also taking into account the hilly terrain in the Tour of Britain - It's different to a one week stage race in Holland. Anyway it makes for a good discussion.

 

[yaco]

OBE only needed to put one rider at the front of the peleton in the last 5kms and Ewan probably wins the stage - In saying that, two of their riders Edmondson and Hepburn ( who have been a disaster in this tour ) finished 18 minutes back, and Power was involved in the Poppel crash - Still they should have rolled the dice and put either Tzurruka or Mezgec at the front in the last 5km.

 

[StryderHells]

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I don't get how Orica can have fans, what a team full of losers.

Yeah they messed up today but you can hardly call them a team full of losers can you? They've been a great team to watch this year

 

[HelloDolly]

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Today's stage showed the folly of 6 riders teams in a week stage race - Especially one on difficult terrain.

This field is quite weak and heterogeneous - I would not extrapolate too much.

The race has 11 WT teams - It's a mixture of strong teams and some weak WT teams - It's a fair sample.

With 2 WT races (Vuelta and Canadian) going on at the same time, it's not possible to have a strong field. It *is* quite a weak field, and also quite heterogeneous with riders you never see in many other races. That's no shame, it's the same with other non-WT stage races. But I don't think results should be used to make sweeping conclusions about 6-rider teams in major week-long stage races - where the field (and stakes) will be very different.

You make some good arguments - My post was in the context of whether the 91 riders who missed the time cut in the Vuelta stage 15 - Should have been excluded from the race ? That would have left 71 riders and that is 71 tired riders for the last 6 stages, which would have lead to conservative racing - Look at today's stage at the Tour of Britain - The peleton couldn't reel in a breakaway ( who were a touch disorganised ) who had 1m and 30s with 15kms to go.

My post is also taking into account the hilly terrain in the Tour of Britain - It's different to a one week stage race in Holland. Anyway it makes for a good discussion.

The argument that ToB is a weak hetrogenuous field as a validation for not drawing conculsions about 6 man teams is a mute one...

If the field is weak as you say ...which I don't really agree with btw ...its not an argument as both the chasers and breakaway are equally strong (or equally weak) and have a mixture of riders ...And even when you have top ranked UCI riders in 6 man teams will not make any diffference as they will be chasing top UCI riders.....thus the lessons from ToB are good to point to the drawbacks to 6 man teams ...mostly not enough riders to bring back sprint stages ..so sprinters lose out. Also harder to influence GC if again breakaways are not chased.. there will be far more instances of 'lesser' riders riding themselves on to the podium

In fact sprinters will lose out double as many teams not fully dedicated to sprinting will not bring their indidual sprinter to a race as they wil not have the man powerr to chase breakaways or dedicate resource to a sprinter..so I think rather than add to unpredictability races willl become more uniform and homogenous


Also as for the hetrogenous argumet ....that appliesot both break & peloton so makes no difference In ToB Tony Martin , Ian Stannard and co the best chasers in the world but as I said the ToB demonstrates how 6 man teams produce very few sprints or even worse an inability to effect GC

If you have a 6 man team at the Tour , teams will either come for sprints or GC ..and thrre will be clear delimination....so in fact wil add to the predicitability of the race and even the betting .....