The 2020 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

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Update #26: Sneekes ekes out a win

We've had our final monument of the season, and our second grand tour is winding its way towards a conclusion. I'll have to be a tad briefer than usual this week as I'm on the road, but I'll be back and settled for next week's update, so I promise I'll give these last few weeks the attention they deserve. This week saw another win under 500 points; I'm sure this week with the Giro GC it will be different.

This Week's Top Scorers

RankTeamPoints this week
1Sneekes492
2Yellow Knight488
3bminchow481
4escartin472
5Rebels428

Sneekes grabs the top spot this week headlined by two riders who have shown up on various occasions for leading weekly teams this seaon - Van Aert added 170 and Almeida added 197, making this yet another week in which he's gotten more points than his total cost of 112. And, well, it looks like he's lined up for a significant amount more this week. Sneekes also got 72 points from McNulty and 34 from Meurisse, which made the difference as it was tight at the top. Yellow Knight only came in 4 points behind, and has shown up a few times this season in the top with an interesting combo of Sagan and Sam Bennett, who got points this week on top of those of Almeida, Narvaez and McNulty. bminchow has shown up a lot in these standings as well and has the same big 2 riders (and notably potentially for this upcoming week, also has Kelderman).

This Week's High Movers

RankTeamUp/down
1escartin(+20)
2ray10(+18)
3Yellow Knight(+12)
4karaev(+11)
5Mayomaniac(+10)
5Shawnm4747(+10)
5Blues in the bottle(+10)

A different crew on here, with escartin moving up 20 spots thanks to Guess Who (ie WvA) and Oh Yeah He Got Points This Week (Sagan with 110). ray10 was one of the two teams to get the full 280 points from MvdP, and Yellow Knight shows up on both rankings this week.

Green Jersey Competition

RankTeamTotal
1Jakob747279.7
2ChrisDK192
3Wallenquist184
4bminchow180
5BlueRoads178

Wallenquist gets 18 points on the week and bminchow gets 30 to create some more bunching around 2nd place, but Jakob747's lead here is still not really under threat, although if the last two weeks of the season are only the Vuelta and someone has rare riders that do well there, it could conceivably tighten.

Top 10 Overall

RankUp/downTeamPoints
1(-)
8644
2(+1)Wallenquist8457
3(+1)bminchow8384
4(-2)Jakob7478229
5(-)Object8150
6(-)Nathanptz8140
7(+1)Lortnoc8091
8(-1)Londonpat8033
9(+3)Nyssinator7946
10(+3)EvansIsTheBest7877

BlueRoads only got 190 points this week, whereas Wallenquist and bminchow were in the top 10 of the week, so a bit more is at play at the top of the list, although the top teams are separated by triple digits so it's not neck-in-neck per se. But a lot of points are to be had from the GCs at the 2 GTs still in play, so it will be interesting to see how the season ends. Usually in this game, there's the Vuelta, some pretty clear teams with chances for big points in the Worlds, but then a bit of a wind down with some one-day races, and after Lombardia there's the China race and Japan Cup, which have very few riders participating. Here, the last race of the season is the Vuelta, with big points and big names. Aside from the inherent uncertainty of any race in times of covid, this is shaping up to be pretty open right up until the sudden end.

This is our last real overlap week (presuming Sardinia goes ahead we will have one other small race overlapping the Vuelta), and although the crazy triumvirate of October 25th no longer includes Roubaix, there is still the last week of the Giro, the Vuelta starting on Tuesday, and - try to imagine hearing this sentence in 2015 and believing it would be true - the last one-day race of the year, the WorldTour level Three Days of De Panne.

spreadsheet at dropbox
Its been a long season, but finally I did manage to get my team on the top5 of the week.
 
Giro
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
CEPEDA Jefferson Alexander
YATES Simon
RUBIO Einer Augusto
SAMITIER Sergio
NARVÁEZ Jhonatan
FOSS Tobias
OOMEN Sam

Yates is the most likely to score any points. Oomen has potential to score some points in this race, but he is still slowly coming back. Hope he gets to do his own race. Narvaez has showed great form after the break so far. He is probably here to support Thomas though. Maybe he could get a chance to grab a stage or something, who knows.

The others are young guys, racing their first GT. I consider it a bonus if they are able to do something here.

I dont know why I picked Samitier tbh.
I think I owe you an apology Samitier, because you are into profit now.

And I owe myself an apology, because of course I knew what I was doing when I picked you. ;)
 
Update #27: Overall Standings Shake up as much as Giro GC This Week

Well, it's all over but the Vuelta. Although we didn't get quite the oomph of the original post-lockdown plan with Paris-Roubaix this week, the GC of the Giro is nothing to sneeze at. However, the CQ Game field overlooked the eventual top 2 in the Giro nearly as much as the general cycling fandom up to a week ago, as only one team had Tao Geoghegan Hart and two had Hindley. That blunted the impact of the Giro GC somewhat. Still, the difference and variety of riders in the top teams in this game was such that we got a new leader, and a lot of movement in the top 10 overall. I don't know if we will mirror the Giro in having the top two teams tied on points going into the last week, but nevertheless we are in for an exciting finish!

This Week's Top Scorers

RankTeamPoints this week
1Eric101228
2Amis_Velo1048
3bminchow1026
4Nyssinator949
5CQPlayer7373901

Eric10 had a stellar week with rare picks this week, comfortably outpacing the field with 1228 points on the week. Tops amongst the team was Jai Hindley, scoring 510 on the week and ending the season at 849 points at a cost of 310. Eric10 was also one of the lucky 19 teams who had the foresight to pick Almeida, who added another 361 points to sit at a total of 1114 at a cost of 121. Ben O'Connor (6 teams) added 186 to get almost even for the season. Amis Velo locks down second - their team was the one that had Geoghegan Hart (is he famous enough that we can shorten it to TGH yet?), who got 652 points this week, and otherwise had a smattering of riders get ~50-70 points to buffer that. bminchow continued a run of good weeks, crossing 1000 thanks to 369 from Kelderman, 361 from Almeida, and some contributing riders below 100 on the week.

This Week's High Movers

RankTeamUp/down
1Amis_Velo(+28)
2HelgeBlendet(+26)
3Yellow Knight(+24)
4abbulf(+23)
5Blues in the bottle(+22)

It may be the waning weeks of the season, but a GT win is still good enough to move your team up a quarter of the standings. Amis Velo goes one better on this ranking, leaping almost 30 spots in the overall. HelgeBlendet and Yellow Knight get the other podium spots for this one.

Green Jersey Competition

RankTeamTotal
1Jakob747279.7
2bminchow210
3ChrisDK192
4Wallenquist186
5BlueRoads178

bminchow moves into 2nd in this ranking, with the following points totals in the last 5 weeks: 30, 30, 10, 0, 26. That is quite the run! Over 90 points. But they are still almost 70 points behind Jakob747, and time is running out.

Top 10 Overall

RankUp/downTeamPoints
1(+2)9410
2(-)Wallenquist9146
3(+6)Nyssinator8895
4(+1)Object8741
5(-4)BlueRoads8717
6(+1)Lortnoc8712
7(+3)EvansIsTheBest8513
8(-2)Nathanptz8400
9(-5)Jakob7478351
10(-2)Londonpat8306

But bminchow won't be too disappointed at being runner up in the Green Jersey standings, because with another massive week, their team has moved over 250 points clear into first place, becoming the new leader! Wallenquist had a solid week, finishing top 15 on the week, but it's only enough to maintain 2nd. Nyssinator also finished top 5 on the week and leapt up 6 spots. Last week's leader BlueRoads had an off week, finishing 113th (last) on the week with 78 points and dropping to 5th overall. Incredibly, this is the second time this has happened in a month, as Jakob747 finished last on a week while in first overall as well. Speaking of Jakob, their team's magical run seems to finally be waning, as they drop to 9th overall. Although there was some significant jumbling in the top 10, nobody actually entered or fell out of it.

The top 6 are within 700 points of the lead, and the gap from 1st-2nd-3rd is bigger than the gap from 4th-6th. With only one race (did Sardinia get cancelled? It seems to have disappeared from upcoming race listings) and two weeks to go, it's all down to the Vuelta, and this weird year will come to a close. Let's hope the Vuelta makes it the whole way!

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Dec 27, 2016
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Ok. So the guy who has Giulio Ciccone and Alvaro Hodeg in their top 5 expensive picks should NOT be leading this thing. However, if you like cheering for 50 year old clueless americans, then here is his roster for the Vuelta. If you like people who refer to themselves in the 3rd person, then you'll really be pulling for these guys. :rolleyes:
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
CORT NIELSEN Magnus
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David
DONOVAN Mark
DUMOULIN Tom
FROOME Chris
KANTER Max
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
TANFIELD Harry
 
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Ok. So the guy who has Giulio Ciccone and Alvaro Hodeg in their top 5 expensive picks should NOT be leading this thing. However, if you like cheering for 50 year old clueless americans, then here is his roster for the Vuelta. If you like people who refer to themselves in the 3rd person, then you'll really be pulling for these guys. :rolleyes:
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
CORT NIELSEN Magnus
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David
DONOVAN Mark
DUMOULIN Tom
FROOME Chris
KANTER Max
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
TANFIELD Harry
Anyone who has Hodeg in their team of course deserves the win!
 
For some reason I keep getting an error message when I try to post the update to the VeloRooms thread, I've been trying since I posted the update - if anyone is on here who can post there, please feel free to copy the update!
 
Here's my Vuelta team

PINOT Thibaut, DNS Stage 3
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe, DNS Stage 4
MOHORIC Matej, DNS Stage 3
DUMOULIN Tom, DNS Stage 8
KUSS Sepp
STEIMLE Jannik
CORT NIELSEN Magnus
CHAMPOUSSIN Clément
ELISSONDE Kenny, DNS Stage 8
GARRISON Ian
POWER Robert
KANTER Max

It's ok I guess-
I wonder how many will make it to Madrid.
 
7500 points shared between 33 riders gives an average spend of 227 points. 227 at the end of 2019 would place a rider in 300th place. 300th in the current rankings (with last year's rather than current Vuelta points applied) is earned by 127 points. 127 x 33 is 4191. That would indicate 4000 or 4500 as an equivalent budget.

But as I suggested months ago, I think it would be interesting to have a 'go crazy' year with the normal budget. It might render the records of previous years incomparable, but it means that we will have a one off chance to employ rather different selection strategies.
 
7500 points shared between 33 riders gives an average spend of 227 points. 227 at the end of 2019 would place a rider in 300th place. 300th in the current rankings (with last year's rather than current Vuelta points applied) is earned by 127 points. 127 x 33 is 4191. That would indicate 4000 or 4500 as an equivalent budget.

But as I suggested months ago, I think it would be interesting to have a 'go crazy' year with the normal budget. It might render the records of previous years incomparable, but it means that we will have a one off chance to employ rather different selection strategies.
Usually I'm all for crazy, but now that I have started to understand the mechanisms of this game I would of course love to try to apply my new knowledge...
 
Just to frame the debate around next year's budget with a couple numbers, here is a comparaison of the total number of points allocated per year since the beginning of the game:
2020 (YTD) 131099
2019 277940
2018 280460
2017 276315
2016 265169
2015 262216
2014 253292
2013 248098
2012 253566
2011 247029
2010 238623

We are currently at about half what an average year is (roughly 260 000 pts) though the final tally will be higher since the Vuelta isn’t finished yet. That gap probably oversells Covid’s impact on the game as cancellations have disproportionately affected smaller races where CQ teams tend to be underrepresented. I certainly would not advocate slashing the budget in half. We haven’t adjusted the budget despite the point inflation of recent years (so we could argue why adjust it now if we haven’t done it earlier).

On a personal note, I just did the quickest draft I could for a 2021 team and ended up with around 8400pts with a couple guys still racing in Spain and adding to their tally. That’s basically where I end up every year when doing my first draft so there’s no issue getting to 7500 points (not that I think anybody was worried about that). To be fair that number would probably go down a little if I had done a legit first draft including neo pros (haven’t started researching them yet) and included some of them instead of more established riders. On the other hand, there’s very little to go on when picking riders making the jump to the pro ranks this year so that might deter managers from picking cheap unproven talent and that might drive up the price of teams.

A lower budget would bring less variety to the game I feel. There are a few riders that are fascinating options at 7500 points but are going to get squeezed out of almost every team if we do 5000 points budget. Once you start looking at the "must haves", they aren't really cheaper than other years, they are just way better riders. I feel it's important we still have some points left over to differentiate our teams.

I don’t consider myself an expert of the game but I have played it every year since its inception. I have a decent grasp of how much talent I can usually fit in. The amount of talent that you can fit in this year is absurd compared to other years.

I’ve tried to present every argument I could think of on either side of the slash/keep the budget for next year. My personal preference is keep the budget as is. 2020 has been a difficult year, let’s finish it by having some fun and picking a bunch of really good riders and stack up a ton of points in 2021. Heck, someone might even challenge skidmark's legendary 2012 team.
 
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Just to frame the debate around next year's budget with a couple numbers, here is a comparaison of the total number of points allocated per year since the beginning of the game:
2020 (YTD) 131099
2019 277940
2018 280460
2017 276315
2016 265169
2015 262216
2014 253292
2013 248098
2012 253566
2011 247029
2010 238623

We are currently at about half what an average year is (roughly 260 000 pts) though the final tally will be higher since the Vuelta isn’t finished yet. That gap probably oversells Covid’s impact on the game as cancellations have disproportionately affected smaller races where CQ teams tend to be underrepresented. I certainly would not advocate slashing the budget in half. We haven’t adjusted the budget despite the point inflation of recent years (so we could argue why adjust it now if we haven’t done it earlier).

On a personal note, I just did the quickest draft I could for a 2021 team and ended up with around 8400pts with a couple guys still racing in Spain and adding to their tally. That’s basically where I end up every year when doing my first draft so there’s no issue getting to 7500 points (not that I think anybody was worried about that). To be fair that number would probably go down a little if I had done a legit first draft including neo pros (haven’t started researching them yet) and included some of them instead of more established riders. On the other hand, there’s very little to go on when picking riders making the jump to the pro ranks this year so that might deter managers from picking cheap unproven talent and that might drive up the price of teams.

A lower budget would bring less variety to the game I feel. There are a few riders that are fascinating options at 7500 points but are going to get squeezed out of almost every team if we do 5000 points budget. Once you start looking at the "must haves", they aren't really cheaper than other years, they are just way better riders. I feel it's important we still have some points left over to differentiate our teams.

I don’t consider myself an expert of the game but I have played it every year since its inception. I have a decent grasp of how much talent I can usually fit in. The amount of talent that you can fit in this year is absurd compared to other years.

I’ve tried to present every argument I could think of on either side of the slash/keep the budget for next year. My personal preference is keep the budget as is. 2020 has been a difficult year, let’s finish it by having some fun and picking a bunch of really good riders and stack up a ton of points in 2021. Heck, someone might even challenge skidmark's legendary 2012 team.
That's a sensible take.
Whatever direction we're going I think we should make a decision soon so we can start planning our teams.
 
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